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Source: nytimes.com/ URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/w ... 6E65&gwt=pay&assetType=nyt_now Published: Mar 25, 2015 Author: NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKY Post Date: 2015-03-25 19:53:14 by Pericles Keywords: None Views: 12919 Comments: 57 Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before France Crash By NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKY 21 minutes ago As officials struggled to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed, an investigator said evidence indicated that one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 40. #1. To: Pericles (#0) mobile.nytimes.com Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in. A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.” While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered. "We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door." The data from the voice recorder seems only to deepen the mystery surrounding the crash and provides no indication of the condition or activity of the pilot who remained in the cockpit. The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically . At no point during the descent was there any communication from the cockpit to air traffic controllers or any other signal of an emergency. When the plane plowed into craggy mountains northeast of Nice, it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash. The French aviation authorities have made public very little, officially, about the nature of the information that has been recovered from the audio recording, and it was not clear whether it was partial or complete. France’s Bureau of Investigations and Analyses confirmed only that human voices and other cockpit sounds had been detected and would be subjected to detailed analysis. Asked about the new evidence revealed in the cockpit recordings, Martine del Bono, a bureau spokeswoman, declined to comment. "Our teams continue to work on analyzing the CVR,” she said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder. "As soon as we have accurate information we intend to hold a press conference.” Meanwhile, prosecutors in Marseille, who have been charged with a separate criminal inquiry into the crash, could not immediately be reached for comment. Brice Robin, the Marseille prosecutor, was due to meet Thursday morning with the families of the crash victims. Video | Investigator: Audio Retrieved From Plane Rémi Jouty, director of France’s Bureau of Investigation and Analysis, confirmed that audio of voices had been recovered from the black box in the crash of the Germanwings plane in the French Alps. At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact. The flight’s trajectory ahead of the crash also left many unanswered questions. Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, said at a news conference that the plane took off at around 10 a.m. local time from Barcelona and that the last message sent from the pilot to air traffic controllers had been at 10:30 a.m., which indicated that the plane was proceeding on course. But minutes later, the plane inexplicably began to descend, Mr. Jouty said. At 10:40 and 47 seconds, the plane reported its last radar position, at an altitude of 6,175 feet. “The radar could follow the plane until the point of impact,” he said. Mr. Jouty said the plane slammed into a mountainside and disintegrated, scattering debris over a wide area, and making it difficult to analyze what had happened. It often takes months or even years to determine the causes of plane crashes, but a little more than a year after the disappearance of a Malaysian airlines jetliner that has never been found, the loss of the Germanwings flight is shaping up to be particularly perplexing to investigators. One of the main questions outstanding is why the pilots did not communicate with air traffic controllers as the plane began its unusual descent, suggesting that either the pilots or the plane’s automated systems may have been trying to maintain control of the aircraft as it lost altitude. Among the theories that have been put forward by air safety analysts not involved in the investigation is the possibility that the pilots could have been incapacitated by a sudden event such as a fire or a drop in cabin pressure. A senior French official involved in the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the lack of communication from the pilots during the plane’s descent was disturbing, and that the possibility that their silence was deliberate could not be ruled out. “I don’t like it,” said the French official, who cautioned that his initial analysis was based on the very limited information currently available. “To me, it seems very weird: this very long descent at normal speed without any communications, though the weather was absolutely clear.” This official said that the lack of communication suggested that the pilots might have been incapacitated as a result of an onboard failure such as a loss of cabin pressure, which could have deprived the crew members of oxygen. While all pilots are equipped with emergency oxygen masks, the pilots would first have to be aware that a depressurization had occurred, the official said. “If for any reason they don’t detect the problem in time, they would black out,” the official said. “So far, we don’t have any evidence that points clearly to a technical explanation,” the official said. “So we have to consider the possibility of deliberate human responsibility.” Mr. Jouty said it was far too early in the investigation to speculate about possible causes. “At this moment I have no beginning of a scenario,” Mr. Jouty said. However, he said there was not yet any evidence available that would support either a theory of a depressurization or of a midair explosion Speaking on the French radio station RTL, Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Wednesday morning that terrorism was not a likely “hypothesis at the moment,” but that no theories had been definitively excluded. Mr. Cazeneuve said the size of the area over which debris was scattered suggested that the aircraft had not exploded in the air but rather had disintegrated on impact. Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, has characterized the crash as an accident. The airline has not disclosed the identities of the pilots, except to say that the captain was a 10-year veteran with more than 6,000 hours of flying time in A320s. The French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the technical inquiry into the crash, sent seven investigators to the crash site on Tuesday. They have been joined by their counterparts from Germany, as well as by technical advisers from Airbus and CFM International, the manufacturer of the plane’s engines. Speaking on Europe 1 radio, Jean-Paul Troadec, a former director of the French air accident investigation bureau, said one of the big challenges for investigators would be to protect the debris at the crash site from any inadvertent damage. “We need to ensure that all the evidence is well preserved,” Mr. Troadec said, referring both to the pieces of the plane littered across the steep slopes as well as to the remains of the victims. The identification of the victims will most likely require matching DNA from the remains with samples from relatives. The recovery effort will be a laborious task, given the state of the wreckage, the difficult terrain and the fact that the crash site is so remote that it could be reached only by helicopter. Cabin depressurization, one of the possibilities speculated about on Wednesday, has occurred before, perhaps most notably in the crash of a Cypriot passenger plane in 2005 that killed all 121 people on board as it approached Athens. In that case, Helios Airways Flight 522, a slow loss of pressure rendered both pilots and all the passengers on the Boeing 737 jet unconscious for more than three-quarters of an hour before the aircraft ran out of fuel and slammed into a wooded gorge near the Greek capital. Investigators eventually determined that the primary cause of that crash was a series of human errors, including deficient maintenance checks on the ground and a failure by the pilots to heed emergency warning signals. Notice anything wrong? Send Silk feedback tpaine  posted on  2015-03-25   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: tpaine (#1) Maybe one pilot went to the head and the other one locked the door and had a heart attack or major aneurysm. Ker-splatt. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-25   22:03:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: TooConservative (#3) " the other one locked the door and had a heart attack or " Had his headphones on, grooving to the muslim call to prayer Stoner  posted on  2015-03-25   23:16:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Stoner, TooConservative (#5) Looks like it was a depressed/suicidal German co-pilot - no evidence he was a Muslim convert. I am shocked it was a 2 man cockpit and that Europe did not have the occupancy rule. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   12:55:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Pericles (#7) (Edited) Looks like it was a depressed/suicidal German co-pilot - no evidence he was a Muslim convert. Maybe he was BOTH. "No evidence"?? That wasn't the case yesterday. What's changed?? (I mean besides the usual and expected denials after the initial facts and revelations were leaked?) This German Muzzie convert and frequent Mosque visitor met ALL the clinical personal profiles and guidelines of a mass murderer, and was...A MUZZIE. I don't care how many media/"official" revisions of the initial reports are now buried, denied, or attributed as "false." Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27   11:01:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Liberator (#23) "No evidence"?? That wasn't the case yesterday. What's changed?? (I mean besides the usual and expected denials after the initial facts and revelations were leaked?) He had six months off for depression during his State-side training in 2009. His fiancee recently broke up with him. And apparently they found a certificate on his medical condition torn up in his apartment, supposedly taking effect on the day he crashed the plane. The details aren't all in just yet. I haven't seen an iota of Islam around this guy's history. Just some rumors by some of the biggest rumormongers on the internet. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-27   11:11:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: TooConservative, Liberator (#28) I haven't seen an iota of Islam around this guy's history. Just some rumors by some of the biggest rumormongers on the internet. I agree and I would blame Islam in a heart beat - I am not exactly a defender of their religion and think what the Serbs did to the Muslims was fine and dandy. Not every bad thing on earth is Islam's fault. Sometimes it's just some nut off his meds. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-27   12:21:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Pericles (#35) "You shall not bear false witness" is a commandment. Liars are sentenced to the Lake of Fire at the end. I can speculate about Islam like anyone else. In fact, I was "morally certain" of it in the Oklahoma City Bombing, and in those theater killings, and charged out there with accusations, without the facts. And I was wrong. Dead wrong. Both times. I was ready to join a lynch mob and I did make false accusations. I was SO VERY CERTAIN. And I was SO VERY WRONG. From these experiences, I have learned to withhold judgment until I know the facts. If I never have the facts, then I can never judge the case. That's fine. God sees all and knows all. Nobody ever gets away with anything. My saying "I don't know: awaiting developments" does not harm anything and is not wrong: it's honest; it's true. My saying "It's Islam!" is not true. I don't know that. It's not honest. It doesn't matter how "morally certain" I am. I've been morally certain twice before and dead wrong both times. I don't intend to make it a threefer. I don't know. If it was Islam, the National Front in France just picked up some major tailwind. If it was not, then Muslims are getting shit for something a Muslim didn't do, and that's wrong. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-27   12:55:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Vicomte13 (#36) "You shall not bear false witness" is a commandment. Liars are sentenced to the Lake of Fire at the end. So according to you, 2+2 = ?? No, your analogy fall flat. I am not knowingly "lying" OR "bearing false witness." Yes, I am speculating, but based on strong circumstantial and initial reports (that you and many other find un-compelling or "official"), including profiling, tendencies, and the chronic lying of so-called "official reports." Till this day, only Muslim pilots plunge airplane into buildings, the sea, and mountains. Ergo, based upon all of the above factors, the odds are overwhelming that the perp is...a Muslim. So -- would you have believed the "official" accounts of the Romans regarding Jesus guilt? Or the Pharisees? Before you lecture me on the Lake of Fire, get the log out of your own eye, Brother. You've recently been indicting EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATOR as derelict in their duty and obligation. That's not only impossible, but technically...a lie. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27   13:25:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Liberator, Vicomte13 (#39) "You shall not bear false witness" is a commandment. Liars are sentenced to the Lake of Fire at the end. So according to you, 2+2 = ?? No, your analogy fall flat. I am not knowingly "lying" OR "bearing false witness." Yes, I am speculating, but based on strong circumstantial and initial reports (that you and many other find un-compelling or "official"), including profiling, tendencies, and the chronic lying of so-called "official reports." Till this day, only Muslim pilots plunge airplane into buildings, the sea, and mountains. Ergo, based upon all of the above factors, the odds are overwhelming that the perp is...a Muslim. So -- would you have believed the "official" accounts of the Romans regarding Jesus guilt? Or the Pharisees? Before you lecture me on the Lake of Fire, get the log out of your own eye, Brother. You've recently been indicting EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATOR as derelict in their duty and obligation. That's not only impossible, but technically...a lie. One of the bad things about the internet, Liberator, is that there are a lot of false stuff on there pretending to be news, etc. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-27   13:29:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 40. #43. To: Pericles (#40) One of the bad things about the internet, Liberator, is that there are a lot of false stuff on there pretending to be news, etc. And conversely, one of the good things about the internet is completely bypassing the lies and political memes of the MSM. Much of what IS reported on the major Tee-Bee news networks and mainstream media outlets is NOT "news," but propaganda and lies of omission. You mean you don't already know that? In the case of this mass murdering co-pilot, it's not hard to do the math; advancing political agendas, a New World Order, and collecting 30+ pieces of silver are more important than the truth. It's been the case for a long time, whether it's been Jesus Christ or 9/11. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27 13:36:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Pericles (#40) One of the bad things about the internet, Liberator, is that there are a lot of false stuff on there pretending to be news, etc. I'm glad you agree with me -- wholeheartedly, and avidly apparently. #5. To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#2) (Edited) I think a lot of people did not buy the State Dept/EU narrative on Ukraine - their first reaction is to think that Russia - stumble bums in propaganda - had somehow undermined the American message? - I mean we had those hipster State Dept spokeswomen doing Twitter hastags for the Kiev Nazis and being laughed and clearly that was the KGB doing that? - lol. Either they actually think their message was short circuted by professional trolls (like the State Dept does not have similar services) or this is an excuse to cover the USA ramping up their own propaganda effort as cover. There is a troll gap!!!! Pericles  posted on  2015-03-27   12:52:57 ET And...how about those "professional trolls"? Good thing none reside at this forum. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27 13:48:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: Pericles, Liberator, Vicomte13 (#40) Weekly Standard, not exactly shy to expose any Muslim as a terrorist, debunks the copilot-converted-to-Islam rumors still circulating. The Germanwings Co-pilot’s Non-Existent ‘Muslim Conversion’ Blogs and social media has been abuzz with talk of a supposed “German news report” indicating that Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings flight 9525, was a Muslim convert. In fact, there is no such report. The rumor that Lubitz converted to Islam got started on the German site Politically Incorrect. In the American blogosphere, Politically Incorrect is being cited as a “German news website.” It is not a news site, however, but rather is an overtly anti-Islamic blog/forum. The confusion apparently arose from the site’s url: www.pi-news.net. Given the orientation of the site and reports that Germanwings 9525 was intentionally crashed by the co-pilot, it is hardly surprising that commentators on Politically Incorrect would speculate about whether Lubitz was a Muslim. Reference was made in particular to a blog post by a site regular named Michael Mannheimer. Mannheimer’s post contains no evidence that Lubitz was a Muslim convert, but just more speculation. Mannheimer’s conjecture is based on such apparently suspicious details as the fact that Lubitz did flight training in Bremen and Bremen is also home to a mosque known for its radicalism. In fairness to Politically Incorrect, it should be noted that several commentators on the site have themselves rejected the speculations in Mannheimer’s post as unfounded, including one who remarked that he “must have been very drunk” when he wrote it. Related American posts have also made reference to newly minted Facebook pages celebrating Lubitz in an Islamist vein. But of obviously greater relevance is Lubitz’s own Facebook page. That page has been taken down, but a Google cache of the entry page (i.e. without timeline entries) is still available here. It contains no trace of any interest in Islam. It does, however, feature the now famous photo of Lubitz posing in front of the Golden State Bridge, as well as a banner photo of New York’s Times Square. Lubitz is known to have done training and travelled in the United States, and it is clear from his Facebook page that he was an admirer of the country. This hardly fits the standard profile of an Islamist – no more so than Lubitz’s evident enthusiasm for techno musicians like the French DJ/producer David Guetta. We will undoubtedly learn more about Lubitz’s life in the days and weeks to come. But the supposed “German news report” does not exist and for the moment, there is no reason whatsoever to believe that he was a Muslim convert. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-28 15:22:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 40. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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