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Source: nytimes.com/ URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/w ... 6E65&gwt=pay&assetType=nyt_now Published: Mar 25, 2015 Author: NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKY Post Date: 2015-03-25 19:53:14 by Pericles Keywords: None Views: 12917 Comments: 57 Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before France Crash By NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKY 21 minutes ago As officials struggled to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed, an investigator said evidence indicated that one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 25. #1. To: Pericles (#0) mobile.nytimes.com Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in. A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.” While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered. "We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door." The data from the voice recorder seems only to deepen the mystery surrounding the crash and provides no indication of the condition or activity of the pilot who remained in the cockpit. The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically . At no point during the descent was there any communication from the cockpit to air traffic controllers or any other signal of an emergency. When the plane plowed into craggy mountains northeast of Nice, it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash. The French aviation authorities have made public very little, officially, about the nature of the information that has been recovered from the audio recording, and it was not clear whether it was partial or complete. France’s Bureau of Investigations and Analyses confirmed only that human voices and other cockpit sounds had been detected and would be subjected to detailed analysis. Asked about the new evidence revealed in the cockpit recordings, Martine del Bono, a bureau spokeswoman, declined to comment. "Our teams continue to work on analyzing the CVR,” she said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder. "As soon as we have accurate information we intend to hold a press conference.” Meanwhile, prosecutors in Marseille, who have been charged with a separate criminal inquiry into the crash, could not immediately be reached for comment. Brice Robin, the Marseille prosecutor, was due to meet Thursday morning with the families of the crash victims. Video | Investigator: Audio Retrieved From Plane Rémi Jouty, director of France’s Bureau of Investigation and Analysis, confirmed that audio of voices had been recovered from the black box in the crash of the Germanwings plane in the French Alps. At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact. The flight’s trajectory ahead of the crash also left many unanswered questions. Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, said at a news conference that the plane took off at around 10 a.m. local time from Barcelona and that the last message sent from the pilot to air traffic controllers had been at 10:30 a.m., which indicated that the plane was proceeding on course. But minutes later, the plane inexplicably began to descend, Mr. Jouty said. At 10:40 and 47 seconds, the plane reported its last radar position, at an altitude of 6,175 feet. “The radar could follow the plane until the point of impact,” he said. Mr. Jouty said the plane slammed into a mountainside and disintegrated, scattering debris over a wide area, and making it difficult to analyze what had happened. It often takes months or even years to determine the causes of plane crashes, but a little more than a year after the disappearance of a Malaysian airlines jetliner that has never been found, the loss of the Germanwings flight is shaping up to be particularly perplexing to investigators. One of the main questions outstanding is why the pilots did not communicate with air traffic controllers as the plane began its unusual descent, suggesting that either the pilots or the plane’s automated systems may have been trying to maintain control of the aircraft as it lost altitude. Among the theories that have been put forward by air safety analysts not involved in the investigation is the possibility that the pilots could have been incapacitated by a sudden event such as a fire or a drop in cabin pressure. A senior French official involved in the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the lack of communication from the pilots during the plane’s descent was disturbing, and that the possibility that their silence was deliberate could not be ruled out. “I don’t like it,” said the French official, who cautioned that his initial analysis was based on the very limited information currently available. “To me, it seems very weird: this very long descent at normal speed without any communications, though the weather was absolutely clear.” This official said that the lack of communication suggested that the pilots might have been incapacitated as a result of an onboard failure such as a loss of cabin pressure, which could have deprived the crew members of oxygen. While all pilots are equipped with emergency oxygen masks, the pilots would first have to be aware that a depressurization had occurred, the official said. “If for any reason they don’t detect the problem in time, they would black out,” the official said. “So far, we don’t have any evidence that points clearly to a technical explanation,” the official said. “So we have to consider the possibility of deliberate human responsibility.” Mr. Jouty said it was far too early in the investigation to speculate about possible causes. “At this moment I have no beginning of a scenario,” Mr. Jouty said. However, he said there was not yet any evidence available that would support either a theory of a depressurization or of a midair explosion Speaking on the French radio station RTL, Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Wednesday morning that terrorism was not a likely “hypothesis at the moment,” but that no theories had been definitively excluded. Mr. Cazeneuve said the size of the area over which debris was scattered suggested that the aircraft had not exploded in the air but rather had disintegrated on impact. Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, has characterized the crash as an accident. The airline has not disclosed the identities of the pilots, except to say that the captain was a 10-year veteran with more than 6,000 hours of flying time in A320s. The French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the technical inquiry into the crash, sent seven investigators to the crash site on Tuesday. They have been joined by their counterparts from Germany, as well as by technical advisers from Airbus and CFM International, the manufacturer of the plane’s engines. Speaking on Europe 1 radio, Jean-Paul Troadec, a former director of the French air accident investigation bureau, said one of the big challenges for investigators would be to protect the debris at the crash site from any inadvertent damage. “We need to ensure that all the evidence is well preserved,” Mr. Troadec said, referring both to the pieces of the plane littered across the steep slopes as well as to the remains of the victims. The identification of the victims will most likely require matching DNA from the remains with samples from relatives. The recovery effort will be a laborious task, given the state of the wreckage, the difficult terrain and the fact that the crash site is so remote that it could be reached only by helicopter. Cabin depressurization, one of the possibilities speculated about on Wednesday, has occurred before, perhaps most notably in the crash of a Cypriot passenger plane in 2005 that killed all 121 people on board as it approached Athens. In that case, Helios Airways Flight 522, a slow loss of pressure rendered both pilots and all the passengers on the Boeing 737 jet unconscious for more than three-quarters of an hour before the aircraft ran out of fuel and slammed into a wooded gorge near the Greek capital. Investigators eventually determined that the primary cause of that crash was a series of human errors, including deficient maintenance checks on the ground and a failure by the pilots to heed emergency warning signals. Notice anything wrong? Send Silk feedback tpaine  posted on  2015-03-25   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: tpaine (#1) Maybe one pilot went to the head and the other one locked the door and had a heart attack or major aneurysm. Ker-splatt. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-25   22:03:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: TooConservative (#3) " the other one locked the door and had a heart attack or " Had his headphones on, grooving to the muslim call to prayer Stoner  posted on  2015-03-25   23:16:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Stoner, TooConservative (#5) Looks like it was a depressed/suicidal German co-pilot - no evidence he was a Muslim convert. I am shocked it was a 2 man cockpit and that Europe did not have the occupancy rule. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   12:55:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Pericles (#7) Looks like it was a depressed/suicidal German co-pilot - no evidence he was a Muslim convert. Stop trying to ruin this for us all.     : ) That said, this has to be such a heartbreaker for the families. An ordinary crash is just an accident, this is a mass murder of helpless people. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-26   13:03:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: TooConservative (#8) (Edited) That said, this has to be such a heartbreaker for the families. An ordinary crash is just an accident, this is a mass murder of helpless people. When people were talking about arming pilots after 9/11 - I pointed out pilots have had many notable cases of being bonkers and causing planes to crash on purpose - this did not sit well with Freepers who were trying to prove some 2nd amend point. This makes me question the need for pilots at all going forward. Last wee, Telsa's Musk stated in the future cars may drive themselves and humans will no longer be allowed to drive a 2 ton death machine that kills over 30K Americans a year and maims and injurs 3 times that many. We need an armed security guard on all planes. It can't add that much to ticket prices. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   13:08:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Pericles (#9) We need an armed security guard on all planes. I'm not sure that would help unless the guard went to the cockpit to guard it when either pilot went to the restroom. Then you have three people with access to the cockpit. I don't look for any great immediate changes. There have been a handful of these incidents over the course of many years. Admittedly, I do still find MH370 very suspicious and one of the more credible explanations is that the pilots intended to kill everyone on the planes and make it hard to find the plane and bodies. So maybe there will be some strengthening of security measures. Given that the pilot in this German flight had tens years in and the suicidal first officer had a few years in, maybe the pilot could be given a passcode to open the door unconditionally (couldn't be blocked from the cockpit). But the five minute delay is designed to cover instances where the pilot or copilot gets taken hostage in the cabin and is forced physically to reveal his passcode. It does seem a little odd that this guy didn't seem to try to hit any ground target. He had to know the black boxes would almost certainly reveal what he had done. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-26   14:17:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: TooConservative (#10) (Edited) I'm not sure that would help unless the guard went to the cockpit to guard it when either pilot went to the restroom. Then you have three people with access to the cockpit. It's simple... same door. Same strength... but the lock is electrical combination, and uses a secret badge number given to just the pilot and copilot. This would keep towel heads out... and allow the pilot in to kick the dog shit out of (or shoot) the copilot, should the copilot be a selfish suicidal asshole that Hollywood celebrities love to feel sorry for at the Oscars. GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-27   9:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: GrandIsland, Pericles (#13) This would keep towel heads out... and allow the pilot in to kick the dog shit out of (or shoot) the copilot, should the copilot be a selfish suicidal asshole From the above Listverse link: Since the 1960s, five flights with the number “191" have ended in fatal crashes, including the worst aircraft disaster in American history: American Airlines Flight 191, which killed 273 people. Most recently, in 2012, JetBlue Airways Flight 191 made headlines after the pilot went crazy during the flight and started ranting about Jesus, terrorists, and 9/11. He was kicked out of the cockpit by the co-pilot and subdued by passengers. Later, he was put in a mental hospital. Puts another spin on cockpit security. If it was easily solved, they would have done it before now. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-27   10:10:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: TooConservative, redleghunter, CZ82, Bob Celeste, Vicomte13, Deckard, Soner, A K A Stone, etal (#15) From the above Listverse link: (snip) Most recently, in 2012, JetBlue Airways Flight 191 made headlines after the pilot went crazy during the flight and started ranting about Jesus, terrorists, and 9/11. Isn't that a supposed typical day at LF?? Is it just me, or was that pilot NOT "crazy," but actually quite sane? Ok...Which one of us was THE pilot at JetBlue?? Heh.... Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27   10:53:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Liberator (#19) Isn't that a supposed typical day at LF?? It would be if the pilot went crazy and was subdued by a passenger who happened to be a cop who pistolwhipped him unconcious and then handcuffed him and shot in the back five times, claiming self-defense. So, no, this incident was not quite up to our usual high LF standards. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-27   10:56:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: TooConservative (#20) The perp would have had it coming... Pericles  posted on  2015-03-27   10:59:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Pericles, Liberator (#21) Thank goodness Liberator showed up to calm down this thread which had really gotten out of hand.     : ) Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-27   11:00:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: TooConservative (#22) Heh... (Is it me, or has the usual insanity been kicked up a notch lately?) Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27   11:06:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 25.         There are no replies to Comment # 25. End Trace Mode for Comment # 25. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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