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"Why Young Americans Are Not Taught about Evil" Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Let’s Be Serious About Ted Cruz From The Start: He’s Too Extreme And Too Disliked To Win Source: FiveThirtyEight Politics URL Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features ... treme-and-too-disliked-to-win/ Published: Mar 23, 2015 Author: Harry Enten Post Date: 2015-03-23 15:57:49 by Jameson Keywords: cruz, extreme, disliked Views: 24006 Comments: 151 Texas Sen. Ted Cruz’s newly minted presidential campaign is the media equivalent of a juicy rib-eye that robbers use to distract a guard dog during a heist. He’ll get a ton of media attention, and he’ll get to spread his message — which may be all that Cruz is after — but Cruz almost certainly has no shot of winning the nomination, according to every indicator that predicts success in presidential primaries. First, Cruz doesn’t have enough support from party bigwigs. To win the Republican or Democratic nomination, you need the backing of at least some of the party apparatus. At a minimum, your fellow party members shouldn’t hate you. Otherwise, you end up getting the Newt Gingrich 2012 treatment. That is, you get pounced on the moment you’re seen as a threat to win the nomination. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 87. #1. To: Jameson (#0) The bar for Presidential credentials was lowered by the current occupant...Obola. I will enjoy all the libs stating "he's a junior senator." "What foreign policy experience does he have?" Well they did not ask that of Obola (only lib that did was Biden in the primaries). redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   16:03:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: redleghunter (#1) Your comment is appreciated......do you have any thoughts on the content of the article? Jameson  posted on  2015-03-23   16:13:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Jameson (#2) Cruz is likely far too extreme ideologically to win the nomination. The Republican party has a habit of nominating relatively moderate candidates (see John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012). That’s especially the case when the party has been out of the White House for more than one term. A Cruz nomination wouldn’t just break this streak; it would throw it off a 100-floor balcony and drop a piano on it. I agree with the little or no support of the party 'big wigs.' You can't get far without campaign funding. On the quoted above I disagree with the reasoning. Look at how those elections worked out for the GOP with moderates. Some conservatives stayed home and it showed in the results. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   16:34:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: redleghunter, Jameson (#3) Look at how those elections worked out for the GOP with moderates. Some conservatives stayed home and it showed in the results. It depends on one's viewpoint. The mission of the Party PTB is to (1) protect their position as the Party PTB and (2) elect one of their own as President. By nominating and electing any conservative such as Ted Cruz, the moderate Party PTB would risk being replaced by conservatives. By nominating a moderate, they ensure that no conservative has any claim to fame demonstrating the lack of merit in their moderate or liberal policies. Their primary motivation is to remain in control of the levers of power within the party. That purpose is better served by a losing Ford, Dole, McCain, Romney, or the like, than a winning conservative. The corporate donors do not care if conservatives stay home. Big business likes big government. The two parties in D.C. are in the business of selling tax breaks and government contracts. Big business are the buyers. The American taxpayer pays the bill. nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-24   12:25:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: nolu chan, liberator, tomder55 (#48) By nominating and electing any conservative such as Ted Cruz, the moderate Party PTB would risk being replaced by conservatives. By nominating a moderate, they ensure that no conservative has any claim to fame demonstrating the lack of merit in their moderate or liberal policies. Their primary motivation is to remain in control of the levers of power within the party. That purpose is better served by a losing Ford, Dole, McCain, Romney, or the like, than a winning conservative. Sometimes a bright light has to shine to scatter the cockroaches. Cruz gave us some of that light yesterday. More to follow to see if he throws back the entire curtain to let the light in. Also, will the comatose American electorate even comprehend such light? The very soul of this nation is at stake. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-24   13:13:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #87. To: redleghunter, nolu chan, liberator, (#64) The way I see it is that we have tried moderate party establishment types with Romney McCain ,and before that Bob Dole. Didn't work out so well. I am not sur Cruz is the best candidate . His opening salvo was brilliant . It will frame the debate throughout the primary season. My reservations are that Cruz is a conservative version of the emperor in some ways. He doesn't have executive experience ;even his legislative record is thin. He has little foreign policy experience. In this cycle I think foreign policy will be a determinant . If I were to go to the polls today and have to choose from the probable field ,I'd most likely go with a principled conservative governor (and the GOP bench has quite a few to choose from ) . So far the declared field is Cruz and Jebbabubba Bush . Between those 2 ,Cruz is the clear choice . tomder55  posted on  2015-03-25   7:53:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 87. #91. To: tomder55 (#87) I'd most likely go with a principled conservative governor You are putting process over substance. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-25 09:58:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #106. To: tomder55, redleghunter, nolu chan (#87) (Edited) The way I see it is that we have tried moderate party establishment types with Romney McCain ,and before that Bob Dole. Didn't work out so well. Predictably disastrous with those designated moderate, pro-statist losers, but it's worse than that -- the Vichy RNC has actually actively sabotaged its own chances to win....THEN when it actually does win, the GOP yields to Dem politics and policy. Go figure. I am not sur Cruz is the best candidate . His opening salvo was brilliant . It will frame the debate throughout the primary season. Cruz puts pressure on the Left and Dems. He's GOT to sustain it and the initiative. My reservations are that Cruz is a conservative version of the emperor in some ways. He doesn't have executive experience ;even his legislative record is thin. He has little foreign policy experience. In this cycle I think foreign policy will be a determinant Well, visionaries are like that -- he's not shy about articulating his positions without the usual reservations or hedging of bets. That may come off as "emperor"-like, but make no mistake -- as we have seen, "emperors" don't usually pay much attention to the Constitution. Cruz DOES. As to policy and executive experience, 0buma's "executive experince" was as a socialist, race-baiting. "Communtah Organizer." Didn't seem to bother the GOP. Or dopey voters. The job of the President these days should be to surround themselves with like-minded, high-minded Constitutionalists and America-Firsters and be the the CEO of this nation. The Citizens are like stock-holders. If I were to go to the polls today and have to choose from the probable field ,I'd most likely go with a principled conservative governor (and the GOP bench has quite a few to choose from.) Which leaves who? Christie, Kascich, Walker, or Jindal? The first three are compromised or moderates, and Jindal -- though a good man -- isn't forceful enough (IMHO.) Liberator  posted on  2015-03-25 11:26:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 87. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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