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"Why Young Americans Are Not Taught about Evil" Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Let’s Be Serious About Ted Cruz From The Start: He’s Too Extreme And Too Disliked To Win Source: FiveThirtyEight Politics URL Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features ... treme-and-too-disliked-to-win/ Published: Mar 23, 2015 Author: Harry Enten Post Date: 2015-03-23 15:57:49 by Jameson Keywords: cruz, extreme, disliked Views: 23995 Comments: 151 Texas Sen. Ted Cruz’s newly minted presidential campaign is the media equivalent of a juicy rib-eye that robbers use to distract a guard dog during a heist. He’ll get a ton of media attention, and he’ll get to spread his message — which may be all that Cruz is after — but Cruz almost certainly has no shot of winning the nomination, according to every indicator that predicts success in presidential primaries. First, Cruz doesn’t have enough support from party bigwigs. To win the Republican or Democratic nomination, you need the backing of at least some of the party apparatus. At a minimum, your fellow party members shouldn’t hate you. Otherwise, you end up getting the Newt Gingrich 2012 treatment. That is, you get pounced on the moment you’re seen as a threat to win the nomination. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-8) not displayed.       .       .       . #9. To: redleghunter (#1) Well they did not ask that of Obola And remember: "NO SLEEPING IN BEDS" err {edit} "WIF SHEETS!" VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   18:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Jameson (#0) " Let’s Be Serious About Ted Cruz From The Start: He’s Too Extreme And Too Disliked To Win " My money says the author is in the bag for Bush Si vis pacem, para bellum Stoner  posted on  2015-03-23   18:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Jameson, redleghunter, GeorgiaConservative, TooConservative, cranko, CZ82, Stoner (#0) (Edited) Extreme is the wrong word - he is a grifter - in his decleration he only mentioned 'conservatives' a lot rather than referring to Americans - to someone with a marketing background like I have that means he is not running for president for real but to boost his power in the conservative base which he then can exploit for money and even retire to do TV shows or what not and serve as someone who can have the power to endorse. All his actions in the senate thus far were publicity stunts to work up the base and serve as talk show radio fodder. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-24   1:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: redleghunter (#1) The bar for Presidential credentials was lowered by the current occupant...Obola. Permanently! And with help from the previous three presidents plus Carter, LBJ, and Kennedy. rlk  posted on  2015-03-24   2:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Stoner (#10) My money says the author is in the bag for Bush Doubtful......FiveThirtyEight has a very good reputation for being objective... "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   5:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Pericles (#11) "... he is not running for president for real but to boost his power..." A very good point......which applies to most of the Republicans who are "testing the waters" "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   5:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: VxH (#4) Cruz or lose! Ok. I'm going to ease up on you. Anyone with that slogan can't be all bad. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-24   7:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Pericles (#11) Extreme is the wrong word - he is a grifter - in his decleration he only mentioned 'conservatives' a lot rather than referring to Americans That is because liberals aren't real Americans. They have divorced themselves from the culture and they want to make something different. They support thievery, murder, bullying, and drinking the blood of aborted babies. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-24   7:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: A K A Stone (#16) (Edited) Extreme is the wrong word - he is a grifter - in his decleration he only mentioned 'conservatives' a lot rather than referring to Americans That is because liberals aren't real Americans. They have divorced themselves from the culture and they want to make something different. They support thievery, murder, bullying, and drinking the blood of aborted babies. Again, it shows that Cruz is trying to grift the base like you AKA rather than appeal to a broader audience and actually have a chance to win as president. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-24   9:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Pericles, Jameson, GeorgiaConservative, TooConservative, cranko, CZ82, Stoner (#11) Extreme is the wrong word - he is a grifter - in his decleration he only mentioned 'conservatives' a lot rather than referring to Americans - to someone with a marketing background like I have that means he is not running for president for real but to boost his power in the conservative base which he then can exploit for money and even retire to do TV shows or what not and serve as someone who can have the power to endorse. All his actions in the senate thus far were publicity stunts to work up the base and serve as talk show radio fodder. Or more realistically, he is setting the stage for a future serious run for President. Or perhaps providing the RNC the necessary early 'lightening rod' effect. These things are usually a lot more complicated than we think, but simple to figure out:) So is Cruz serious or is he providing a 'rally the weary troops' cheerleader effect? That's my assessment. He knows in the early polling he is a minority cut of 4%. That might jump a bit in the weeks ahead, until someone else announces a run. A final point is no matter what he is establishing himself early as a power broker. This is what politicians do and why so many people hate politics. Warren is doing the same thing now but using other methods. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1) redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-24   9:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Jameson (#0) Let’s Be Serious About Ted Cruz From The Start: He’s Too Extreme And Too Disliked To Win Let's be serious about the Established Republican Party from the Start: they are too corrupt, too tied to crony capitalism, too militarily incompetent and too disliked to be trusted with power. Most Republican politicians deserve indictment, not re-election. Ted Cruz is a breath of fresh air, but the Republican brand is so utterly toxic, Republicans as a class of people are SUCH walking, talking piles of corrupt fecal matter, that Cruz probably cannot save them. They'll reject him anyway. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-24   9:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Pericles (#17) Again, it shows that Cruz is trying to grift the base like you AKA rather than appeal to a broader audience and actually have a chance to win as president. He is telling the truth of who he is. You sound like one of those people who would suggest lying is a good way to "appeal to a audience". Cruz is right on about everything. To try to appeal to libfags would be to lose his appeal to REAL Americans. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-24   9:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Vicomte13 (#19) They'll reject him anyway. Yes, I think they will. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   10:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Jameson (#0) Cruz almost certainly has no shot of winning the nomination, according to every indicator that predicts success in presidential primaries. That's exactly what the pundits said about Reagan... I for one hope Cruz keeps on being underestimated. At a minimum, your fellow party members shouldn’t hate you. Who be that? McStain? McConnell?? The whitebeard, establishment RINOs?? Their numbers are overinflated. These turncoat "bi-partisan" whores can pound salt. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   10:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: redleghunter (#1) The bar for Presidential credentials was lowered by the current occupant...Obola. That bar is now...subterranean. As in Hades ;-) I will enjoy all the libs stating "he's a junior senator." "What foreign policy experience does he have?" (Well they did not ask that of Obola.) HA! Yup. Cruz is a man, 0bola a boy. The media will demanding to know what kind of TP Cruz uses...while rummaging through his past like a pack of proctologists. 0bola, not so much. In fact, not at all. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   10:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: GeorgiaConservative (#5) Though everyone except Cruz and Cruz fanboys already knows this, and even the former might and just wants something from a vanity campaign. Know what?? Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   10:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Liberator (#22) At a minimum, your fellow party members shouldn’t hate you. Who be that? McStain? McConnell?? The whitebeard, establishment RINOs?? Their numbers are overinflated. So....do you really believe that Cruz can be the republican's presidential nominee? - and that this can happen without the support (and money) of the moderates? - please don't compare Cruz to Reagan.... most people liked RR - that is simply not the case with Cruz.... Or - do you expect him to start playing the "kinder, gentler" candidate? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   10:14:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: TooConservative (#6) Cruz has already been fully pounced. The desperate guns of Left and Vichy RNC will pound Cruz as though he were Baghdad during the initial Iraq assault. If he survives, he will be a force to be reckoned with. He has a certain oily smoothness that reminds me a lot of LBJ. Which isn't such a warm memory. The only thing those two have in common are...the state of Texas. "Smoothness" -- I guess what you're saying is that you don't quite believe in Cruz's sincerity? "Smoothness" can at times be construed as a complete confidence. It's easy to have became jaded. But why after noting 0bola's totally disingenuous "smoothness" or Slick's? Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   10:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Jameson (#25) So....do you really believe that Cruz can be the republican's presidential nominee? - and that this can happen without the support (and money) of the moderates? Yes. Absolutely. I hope you, the moderate'leftist pundits and the establishment-types continue to believe Cruz is unelectable based on "likeability," and impossible to finance. There are far more patriots -- within the general populace, industry, and private sector -- who recognize Cruz is the only anecdote to 0buma's gutting of this nation in every way. THIS is a guy who is laser-focused. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   10:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Jameson (#25) So....do you really believe that Cruz can be the republican's presidential nominee? - and that this can happen without the support (and money) of the moderates? I don't believe that it matters who the Republican nominee is. The Republican brand is too tainted and narrow. No matter who the Republicans run, the Democrats will win the election. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-24   10:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: cranko (#7) Cruz isn't #1 on anyone's list of favorite candidates. You really believe that?? The Pubbies are again running a bunch of also-ran RINOs and wishy-washy sell-out moderates. Cruz stands alone as a stud. Cruz is smart, he may be hoping that the others implode.... That's exactly what's going to happen. And the lib media will go ape-sh*t after the smoke clears. REAGAN II. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   10:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: cranko aka jwpegler (#7) Cruz isn't #1 on anyone's list of favorite candidates. Given Cruz vs. Huckabee, social conservatives will go for Huckabee. We will do no such thing. Cruz is Number Uno on many peoples list Mr Pegler. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-24   10:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Vicomte13 (#28) I don't believe that it matters who the Republican nominee is. That's too bad because unlike the other puppets, Cruz takes no prisoners and is small gubmint. He is the literal political anecdote to 0buma, which is why you're going to immediately see Cruz pounded from every direction until he's either left standing and stronger, OR too crippled to continue. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   10:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: cranko (#7) Cruz is smart, he may be hoping that the others implode so he can be around as the #2 choice and the only person left standing for everyone who hates Bush. We'll see. I think Cruz started yesterday a 15-20 year campaign for President of the USA. It took Reagan longer than that to get there. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1) redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-24   10:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: A K A Stone (#20) He is telling the truth of who he is. You sound like one of those people who would suggest lying is a good way to "appeal to a audience". Cruz is right on about everything. To try to appeal to libfags would be to lose his appeal to REAL Americans. That approach would be great if the USA has a parlimentary system of govt. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-24   10:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Liberator (#27) "...There are far more patriots -- within the general populace, industry, and private sector -- who recognize Cruz is the only anecdote to 0buma's gutting of this nation in every way...." 1. So what makes one a "patriot?" 2. If Mr. Cruz is the only "anecdote" what will the "patriots" do if he (god forbid) does not become the republican's nominee? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   10:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Jameson (#34) 1. So what makes one a "patriot?" A strict Constitutionalist and America-Firster. 2. If Mr. Cruz is the only "anecdote" what will the "patriots" do if he (god forbid) does not become the republican's nominee? That dire scenario remains to be seen. I suppose....succumb to the escalated Police State and Big Gubmint, and further destruction of the US Constitution. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   11:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Jameson (#34) 2. If Mr. Cruz is the only "anecdote" what will the "patriots" do if he (god forbid) does not become the republican's nominee? 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036 A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-24   11:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Liberator (#35) I suppose....succumb to the escalated Police State and Big Gubmint, and further destruction of the US Constitution. well, yeah of course.... but in the short term....will you vote for Bush? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   11:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: A K A Stone (#36) 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036 well, yeah of course.... but in the short term....will you vote for Bush? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   11:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Jameson (#37) in the short term....will you vote for Bush? And a vote for another NWO Bush is different than a Dem....HOW?? Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   11:31:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Jameson (#37) Will you vote for a Dem over a Pubbie in any case? Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   11:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: A K A Stone (#36) 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036 By then? "It's dead, Jim." Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   11:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Liberator (#31) That's too bad because unlike the other puppets, Cruz takes no prisoners and is small gubmint. He is the literal political anecdote to 0buma, which is why you're going to immediately see Cruz pounded from every direction until he's either left standing and stronger, OR too crippled to continue. Well, I wish Cruz well. I'd like to see him become the Republican nominee. I might even vote in the primary and then come out in the general election, hold my nose, and vote Republican in the general election, if he's the guy. That'd be swell. I don't believe that the Republicans will nominate him, because he is much closer to me on many issues than Republicans are. It's their party, and they're going to nominate somebody who represents their values, not somebody who represents mine. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-24   11:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Liberator (#40) Will you vote for a Dem over a Pubbie in any case? I won't vote for either. Democrats are exultant babykillers. Republicans are corrupt crony capitalist incompetents. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-24   11:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter (#36) 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036 If not 2040 and later. Cruz will only be 45 in 2016, I think. 65 in 2036. 75 in 2046. Cruz could easily be giving rockribbed Republicans heart attacks until mid-century. If the GOP always nominates "the guy from last time", that is a lot of "last times" for Cruz to have a chance at. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-24   11:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone, redleghunter (#44) This cult of personality is weird for me to accept belongs with Republican politics - it makes sense in the world of talk show hosts and their fans - but for politics it is weird. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-24   11:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Liberator (#40) Will you vote for a Dem over a Pubbie in any case? Yes, of course. I have voted for republicans, democrats, libertarians, non-affiliated.....etc it all depends on the circumstances at that time... I have also chosen to not vote in some races - if none of the candidates are worthy. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-03-24   11:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Pericles (#45) This cult of personality is weird for me to accept belongs with Republican politics I agree - self proclaimed messiahs declaring they can cause sea levels to fall, which in turn causes spasmatic fainting spells does seem to be more a democrat thing. Maybe at the next democrat rally we can see a reprise of the Lords' first miracle - though instead of turning water into wine perhaps Zero can turn ordinary cigarettes into reefers? Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-03-24   12:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: redleghunter, Jameson (#3) Look at how those elections worked out for the GOP with moderates. Some conservatives stayed home and it showed in the results. It depends on one's viewpoint. The mission of the Party PTB is to (1) protect their position as the Party PTB and (2) elect one of their own as President. By nominating and electing any conservative such as Ted Cruz, the moderate Party PTB would risk being replaced by conservatives. By nominating a moderate, they ensure that no conservative has any claim to fame demonstrating the lack of merit in their moderate or liberal policies. Their primary motivation is to remain in control of the levers of power within the party. That purpose is better served by a losing Ford, Dole, McCain, Romney, or the like, than a winning conservative. The corporate donors do not care if conservatives stay home. Big business likes big government. The two parties in D.C. are in the business of selling tax breaks and government contracts. Big business are the buyers. The American taxpayer pays the bill. nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-24   12:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Pericles (#17) appeal to a broader audience Those are code words for compromising your principles. McConnell and Boehner do that consistently, along with a good sized chunk of the GOP officials. Either we turn the "ship of state" around or we follow the marxists in the Democrat party into the "hell on Earth" they always create. Ted Cruz is a chance at snatching victory from defeat, instead of the usual script of losing when a real chance at winning presents itself. Either Republicans nominate a Constitutional conservative, or all that is left of the mess will be the wiping of our collective ass after we take the dump. There are millions of conservatives waiting for a true leader. Bush won't cut it, and Huckabee can't. Unless the party stands for its stated principles, we may win an office, but we lose the country. Truly, R vs D is about who gets to dole out the trillions and who gets the rewards of the graft. We either work to support what we SAY we want, or we are no better than the progressive/liberal/marxist/totalitarian left. jeremiad  posted on  2015-03-24   12:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (50 - 151) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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