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Title: How Thomas Jefferson would have handled ISIS
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URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/polit ... st-war-on-terror-barbary-isis/
Published: Mar 22, 2015
Author: VxH
Post Date: 2015-03-22 17:03:29 by VxH
Keywords: None
Views: 14458
Comments: 36

The plot sounds like something plucked from today's headlines: foreign hostages, terrorism, presidential power and American diplomatic relations with the Middle East.

But the nation's first war on terror was waged by Thomas Jefferson, not George W. Bush or Barack Obama. In place of al Qaeda or ISIS, Jefferson was fighting the Barbary pirates.

In Jefferson's time, European powers conceded to terrorism by paying annual tribute and ransom to groups like the Barbary pirates, according to Robert F. Turner, co-founder of the Center for National Security Law and professor of American Foreign Policy.

Once the American colonies gained independence from Britain, their ships were left without protection from piracy at sea. As American commerce began to increase, the Barbary states targeted American merchant vessels that traveled the seas without a strong naval defense.

Ransom payments

Jefferson believed paying ransom to terrorist organizations was a sign of weakness as a nation....

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#1. To: All (#0)

Que the Jefferson-hating WallTards in 5..4..3..

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:04:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: VxH (#1)

He fought the Moslems. That's a fact.

Like our modern Presidents his failure was not to finish them off.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   0:11:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: redleghunter, VxH (#24)

He fought the Moslems. That's a fact.

Like our modern Presidents his failure was not to finish them off.

Well, he rather engaged them.

We'd have to define "modern Presidents" as well. Would post 9/11 be our time frame? Or, rather since Poppy Bush?

It could be argued that NO such long-term effective "doctrine" was implemented by any of the Presidents since Reagan, other than creating a giant mess (include Carter as part of that mess), while actually allowing radical Islam to proliferate, then invade and set up shop in the USA.

Reagan's approach was to speak softly and carry a HUGE baseball bat. Which is why after the ill-fated Lebanon barracks attack took place, no other organized Muzzie "incidents" took place during his peaceful eight years.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   4:27:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator, redleghunter, VxH (#30)

He and Madison fought them with the Navy they had (to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld) . In the end they achieved their goal of ending the taking of American ships for ransom.

He and Madison fought them with the Navy they had (to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld) . In the end they achieved their goal of ending the taking of American ships for ransom.

tomder55  posted on  2015-03-23   8:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#33. To: tomder55 (#31)

He and Madison fought them with the Navy they had (to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld) . In the end they achieved their goal of ending the taking of American ships for ransom.

After paying ransom for several years and failing to flex enough muscle, the US Navy finally did accomplish its goal.

I'm at a loss as to why America has dealt with ANY Muslim commerce, culture, or nation since. Never mind, importing the Koraniacs, and embedding them into our culture. Their End Game has remained the same since the year 600 AD.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23 09:38:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: tomder55, Liberator, redleghunter, VxH (#31)

He and Madison fought them with the Navy they had (to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld) . In the end they achieved their goal of ending the taking of American ships for ransom.

He and Madison fought them with the Navy they had (to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld) . In the end they achieved their goal of ending the taking of American ships for ransom.

The US Marines hired Greek mercenaries to fight the Barbaries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Derne

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