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Title: How Thomas Jefferson would have handled ISIS
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URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/polit ... st-war-on-terror-barbary-isis/
Published: Mar 22, 2015
Author: VxH
Post Date: 2015-03-22 17:03:29 by VxH
Keywords: None
Views: 12823
Comments: 36

The plot sounds like something plucked from today's headlines: foreign hostages, terrorism, presidential power and American diplomatic relations with the Middle East.

But the nation's first war on terror was waged by Thomas Jefferson, not George W. Bush or Barack Obama. In place of al Qaeda or ISIS, Jefferson was fighting the Barbary pirates.

In Jefferson's time, European powers conceded to terrorism by paying annual tribute and ransom to groups like the Barbary pirates, according to Robert F. Turner, co-founder of the Center for National Security Law and professor of American Foreign Policy.

Once the American colonies gained independence from Britain, their ships were left without protection from piracy at sea. As American commerce began to increase, the Barbary states targeted American merchant vessels that traveled the seas without a strong naval defense.

Ransom payments

Jefferson believed paying ransom to terrorist organizations was a sign of weakness as a nation....

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#2. To: VxH (#0)

Jefferson is long dead, I am alive, what I would do is use tactical nukes.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-03-22   17:13:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BobCeleste (#2)

what I would do is use tactical nukes.

I don't see where that would be inconsistent with Jefferson's "eternal hostility":

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN" --Thomas Jefferson

ISIS and Islam are certainly a "tyranny over the mind of man".

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:24:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: VxH (#3)

ISIS and Islam are certainly a "tyranny over the mind of man".

That perspective is limited in scope. It depends on your interpretation of the Qur'an.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-22   18:17:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#4)

It depends on your interpretation of the Qur'an.

When is the objective of Islam not Sharia rule?

NO SALE.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   18:55:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: VxH (#7)

When is the objective of Islam not Sharia rule?

When is the objective of some pentecostal luthern church from the Kentucky backwoods not some snake worshipper's self rule? You can't answer the same or similar questions because it is all madeup by charlatans, liars, thieves and cheats.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-22   19:00:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#8)

We all do or should rule ourselves. When we seek to impose our will on another, is when the law should step in and ascertain whether there is the others rights being violated.

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