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Title: Children raised by gay couples thank Dolce & Gabbana for supporting traditional marriage amidst Elton John’s boycott
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c ... edium=email&utm_term=0_0caba61
Published: Mar 20, 2015
Author: Thaddeus Baklinski
Post Date: 2015-03-20 23:35:25 by redleghunter
Keywords: None
Views: 41606
Comments: 187

March 20, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) - Six Americans raised by homosexual parents sent a letter of support thanking openly gay fashion legends Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana for their recent remarks defending the traditional family.

Gay activists, spearheaded by singer Elton John, have condemned the pair and urged a boycott of their fashion line after they told the Italian magazine Panorama that they oppose gay “marriage” and adoption, find in vitro fertilization unnatural, believe procreation “must be an act of love,” and that “the only family is the traditional one.”

The letter, published in Tempi this week, says the six signatories – five women and one man – "want to thank you for giving voice to something that we learned by experience: Every human being has a mother and a father, and to cut either from a child’s life is to rob the child of dignity, humanity, and equality."

"We know that you will come under tremendous pressure, especially now when both Italy and the United States are being pushed to override our concerns for our rights to a mom and dad, in order to please a powerful gay lobby," the group said.

They explained that it was their experience that, "Nobody receives more vicious attacks from the lobby than those who come from the gay community and question its policies: children of gay couples just as much as the gay men who defend them (like the two of you).

"You have shown yourselves to be extremely brave. You have given us great inspiration as all six of us prepare to submit letters to the US Supreme Court against gay marriage."

"We want to praise your courage and thank you for your inspiration," the signatories said, and implored Dolce and Gabbana "not to surrender when the backlash grows in intensity."

"If you back down from what you said and apologize," the group concluded, "it will leave the children of gay homes even more vulnerable and discredited. It is important for our sake, for the sake of Italian children as well, that you not apologize or capitulate. Please support the idea that all children need to be bonded with their mothers and fathers. It is a human right."

"It's not us who invented the family," Dolce said in the recent interview in Italy’s Panorama magazine. "You are born and you have a mother and a father.

"Or at least it should be so, that's why I'm skeptical about what I call the sons of the chemistry, synthetic children, wombs for rent, seeds chosen by a catalog. And then, let's go to these children and explain them who is their mother. Would you ever accept to be a daughter of the chemistry? Procreation needs to be an act of love."

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#1. To: redleghunter (#0)

A succinct and moving letter from a group who knows what it like to be subjected to attempted brainwashing by gay parents.

Bravo!

rlk  posted on  2015-03-20   23:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#0)

Procreation needs to be an act of love."

Not an act of twisted neurosis.

rlk  posted on  2015-03-21   0:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: redleghunter (#0)

Interesting story even if I'm not sure why D&B is considered so stylish. Most of this fashion stuff is wildly overhyped.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-21   5:23:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

I'm not sure why D&B is considered so stylish.

If you did, I'd be a bit worry about you, TC.

Most of this fashion stuff is wildly overhyped.

With flaming homos and the narcissistic Left locking down all media outlets and pop culture, it's hardly surprising.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-21   9:52:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: redleghunter (#0)

"It's not us who invented the family," Dolce said in the recent interview in Italy’s Panorama magazine. "You are born and you have a mother and a father."

"Radical, man!" /Cheech

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-21   9:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: redleghunter (#0)

...openly gay fashion legends Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana

"Legends" used to be inventors, cultural icons, artists, generals, sports figures, war heros....

Now they're clothes "designers"?? NEXT: "The legendary, sedentary poster and coffee-guzzler from _________"

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-21   9:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#3)

Shocking that you don't have some of their fashion in your closet:)

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-21   10:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: redleghunter (#7)

Me and Elton are boycotting D&B.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-21   12:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#8)

And me and the Duck Commanders are boycotting Vera Wang!

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-21   12:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#9)

What?! No wang for you?

(Joking, dont punch me!)

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-21   15:58:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#9)

And me and the Duck Commanders are boycotting Vera Wang!

Me too. Now I just have to figure out who Dolce & Gabbana and Vera Wang are.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-21   18:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: redleghunter (#0)

"It's not us who invented the family,"

Correctomundo.

Several billion years worth of HETERO-sexual evolution are self-evidence of that.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-21   18:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Dead Culture Watch (#10)

What?! No wang for you?

(Joking, dont punch me!)

Lol...So I said to Miss Wang after dimming the lights.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-21   21:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative, Dead Culture Watch (#11)

Now I just have to figure out who Dolce & Gabbana and Vera Wang are.

It's scary, ain't it? Never hoid of Dolce & Gabbana, but yes, I have heard of Vera Wang.

(Do I see a show of manly, unmanicured hands for exploring the world of clothing designers and judging runway models?)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-21   21:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator, (#14)

Only child molesters support queers adopting children.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-21   21:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Only child molesters support queers adopting children.

Though the "enlightened" human secularists and libertarian extremists seem to support it, unfortunately I hear even some brain-washed "Christians" supporting this crap.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-21   21:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberator (#16)

I hear even some brain-washed "Christians" supporting this crap.

Well, that's organized religion for ya.

Meanwhile, the nature of several billion years of Hetero-sexual evolution stands in defiant self-evidence.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-21   22:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: VxH (#17)

I hear even some brain-washed "Christians" supporting this crap. Well, that's organized religion for ya.

What is this you're babbling about now. Oh yes organized religion. As opposed to what unorganized chaos everyone is their own god. Screw that. But feel free to babble on.

I don't think any christians support this. Maybe the call themselves christians, but that doesn't mean they are. Kind of like if you thought of yourself as smart.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-21   22:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18) (Edited)

Oh yes organized religion

Doesn't look very "organized" when it sanctifies the abomination of nature, does it Mr. Religious super genius. Which side of the perverted sun-fence is the Pope perched on today?

The evolutionary history of heterosexual reproduction OTOH, that appears to have plenty of organization. America's Deist founders believed in that sort of self-evidence, and its perception in free minds.

Maybe something else they had in mind was the fact that self-evident natural organization didn't stop religiously petrified Useful Idiots like you from burning folks who shared Copernicus' observations.

Thank God America's founders had the wisdom to try to protect Americans from THAT.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-21   23:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: VxH (#19)

Doesn't look very "organized" when it sanctifies the abomination of nature, does i

How about this. I'm tired of you and thinking about banning you. I'm thinking about that because of your piece of crap attitude. Because you offer nothing to the forum. So next time you ask me a riddle instead of talking plainly. I'll just wack you. You will not be missed.

So instead of your crap quote from above. Why don't you tell me what you mean by teh abomination of nature. Because you make these assinine comments and never back them up with substance.

So lose your riddles or lose your posting privileges.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-21   23:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: VxH (#19)

petrified Useful Idiots like you from burning folks

Burn you. Interesting idea. You must be a witch.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-21   23:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Why don't you tell me what you mean by teh abomination of nature.

I mean the same thing that motivated the actor who portrayed Gandalf the Ghey to remove the pages mentioning the Abomination of Nature out of hotel bibles.

http://content.usatoday.com/comm...ips-pages-out-of-bibles/1

The same thing that typifies the perversion of nature espoused by homosexual activists and their ilk who seek to further the Transhumanist / Postgenderist agenda.

http://www.google.com/search?q=transhumanist+postgenderism

The same homosexualist doctrine that's being embraced and preached in a significant and growing number of organized religious purviews.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis...ositions_on_homosexuality

VxH  posted on  2015-03-21   23:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)

You must be a witch.

I don't float like a Duck. Or even very small rocks.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-21   23:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: VxH (#22)

I mean the same thing that motivated the actor who portrayed Gandalf the Ghey to remove the pages mentioning the Abomination of Nature out of hotel bibles.

http://content.usatoday.com/comm...ips-pages-out-of-bibles/1

Reduced to quoting faggots are you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-21   23:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: VxH (#22)

The same homosexualist doctrine that's being embraced and preached in a significant and growing number of organized religious purviews.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis...ositions_on_homosexuality

If they teach contrary to the Bible then they aren't Bible followers now are they?

Did you now know that not everyone who proclaims themselves to be a christian is in fact one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-21   23:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: VxH (#23)

I don't float like a Duck. Or even very small rocks.

But you do quack like a quack.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-21   23:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25) (Edited)

If they teach contrary to the Bible then they aren't Bible followers now are they?

If you ask the parrots in their rainbow pulpits they'll all swear up and down they're "Bible followers".

Such has always been the nature of the organized religious farce; and that nature is no different today than when Romans 1:25+ was written.

It was that nature about which America's founders observed: "FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED MEN HAVE ASSUMED DOMINION OVER THE FAITH OF OTHERS"

Same ol' temporal Ba'alshyte, different municipal toilet.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   0:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: VxH (#27)

If you ask the parrots in their rainbow pulpits they'll all swear up and down they're "Bible followers".

Oj swears up and down he didn't kill Nicole.

That is how relevant your comment is.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   11:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: VxH (#27)

Such has always been the nature of the organized religious farce

People who use the phrase organized religion to attack it are shallow morons.

Would you have it that God disn't reveal himself to us and we all just make up what our own beliefs.

God revealing himself to man is a good thing. That people wrote it down so we know the truth is a good thing.

There will always be liars who will use any religion to advance their evil purposes. That would be unorganized religion as they are not following the book to the letter.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   11:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: VxH (#27)

"FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED MEN HAVE ASSUMED DOMINION OVER THE FAITH OF OTHERS"

If you don't put your faith in Jesus. Then your faith is in cow shit. To put it another way, If your faith is not in Jesus your faith is inferior to mine, and I in no way respect it, in fact I spit on it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   11:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone, VxH (#30)

If your faith is not in Jesus your faith is inferior to mine, and I in no way respect it, in fact I spit on it.

VxH worships at the altar of...TOM JEFFERSON.

(how messed up is that??)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   11:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#31)

VxH worships at the altar of...TOM JEFFERSON.

I think Thomas Jefferson was a remarkable man. He did many great things for this nation. But he isn't God.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   11:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: VxH, A K A Stone, redleghunter (#19)

"America's Deist founders...."

HA!! "Deist"?? (Are you pulling a Keith Richards and snorting Thomas Jefferson's urn ashes again??)

You've been schooled in the past and now in the present on exactly the identity of the vast majority of important, noted Founders -- as well as their respective belief: denominational CHRISTIAN. In the Year of Our Lord, 1787, the overwhelming majority of Americans were indeed....denominational CHRISTIAN. Not "Deist." Not even close to "Deist."

Red has provided the demos of all the signers of the various docs, yet you obsess on worshiping as your "god," Tom Jefferson, Franklin, and the couple other Deist stragglers.

Clown.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   11:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#32)

But he isn't God.

No, he isn't. Neither were Paine, Franklin, Washington or the other Deists who rejected their former Eurotrash owner's oligarchic sheeple herding/enslaving machinery.

Should it not be disturbing that so many would so readily cast Jefferson out of American history in the process of reforming and perverting it into their own Fallible and Uninspired caesarean oligarchic state-established Zionist image?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   11:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter, VxH (#32) (Edited)

I think Thomas Jefferson was a remarkable man. He did many great things for this nation. But he isn't God.

No one takes away anything from TJ's intellect and accomplishments. But no, NOT a "god," NOT a "revolutionary" (as parroted by TJ Kneepad VxH), and most certainly only one of several driving forces behind the establishment of the new American Republic.

Those who financed, organized, provided tactics, and fought for Independence were vastly and overwhelmingly...CHRISTIAN.

VxH is a shameless revisionist historian who spits in the eye of the actual American Founders as well as that of Jesus Christ.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   11:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#33)

Clown.

Sun-parrot Slave.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   11:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: VxH (#34)

Should it not be disturbing that so many would so readily cast Jefferson out of American history...

Now you're just a pathetic, lying, revisionist clown.

Who is your God v 2.0? Alinsky??

"...state-established Zionist image"

Aaaah, a Joo-hater? Or just a hater of "Joo," Jesus Christ? His Apostles?

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   11:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#35)

Franklin formulated a presentation of his beliefs and published it in 1728.[121] It did not mention many of the Puritan ideas as regards belief in salvation, the divinity of Jesus, and indeed most religious dogma. He clarified himself as a deist in his 1771 autobiography,[122]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

The record of his taking communion was spotty.[16] Ministers at four of the churches Washington often attended wrote that he regularly left services before communion. When Rev. Dr. James Abercrombie, rector of St. Peter's Episcopal Church, in Philadelphia, mentioned in a weekly sermon that those in elevated stations set an unhappy example by leaving at communion, Washington completely stopped attending that church on communion Sundays.[17][18] Long after Washington died, when asked about Washington's beliefs, Abercrombie replied: "Sir, Washington was a Deist!"[19][unreliable source?] Nonetheless, it was also not uncommon in those days for churchgoers to pass on participating in communion.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_and_religion

While Paine never described himself as a deist,[82] he did write the following:

The opinions I have advanced ... are the effect of the most clear and long-established conviction that the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation, by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism, by which I then meant, and mean now, the belief of one God, and an imitation of his moral character, or the practice of what are called moral virtues – and that it was upon this only (so far as religion is concerned) that I rested all my hopes of happiness hereafter. So say I now – and so help me God.[79]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

Jefferson's Deism was noted on the document you  yourself linked. 

Thomas JeffersonVirginiaEpiscopalian (Deist)
Benjamin FranklinPennsylvaniaEpiscopalian (Deist)

But then, disingenuous parrots of your ilk have already demonstrated your disregard for historical accuracy by attempting to exclude Thomas Jefferson from the circle of revolutionarily influential philosophers.

Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)

“The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based,” Ms. Dunbar said.

http://www.texastribune.org/2010/03/22/sboe-removes-thomas-jefferson-blames-media/


The drafter of the American Declaration of Independence didn't inspire any revolutions?

LOL.  That'd be funny if it wasn't so religiously pathetic.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   11:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: VxH (#38)

The Spam-Riddler strikes again!

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   11:56:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#37) (Edited)

Aaaah, a Joo-hater? Or just a hater of "Joo," Jesus Christ? His Apostles?

Tell us Mr. Fallible and Uninspired Biblical "liberator" - how many times did the Creator exile the Zionists into slavery and subjugation by their enemies in response to their Ba'al worship? Here's one example:

Ex 32:4-8

4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord.

6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

7 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
KJV


VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   11:58:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#39)

Ever watch Gotham? This is the new joker when he was younger.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   11:58:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#39)

Why don't you and RedLegDribbler tell the class again how Franklin, Jefferson, and Paine weren't deists?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   12:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: VxH (#38)

The drafter of the American Declaration of Independence didn't inspire any revolutions?

Jefferson was one of MANY "inspirational" Founders.It is absolutely remarkably comical that in your pedestrian microscopic mind that the other Founders knelt before Thomas Jefferson.

The truth was that our Founders were movers and shakers in their own right. Educate and do the research yourself.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: VxH (#40)

Post Comment Please cut and paste the portion of the text to which you are replying, if any, into the "Quote" box using your computer's editing features. On 2015-03-22 11:58:13, VxH wrote:

To: Liberator Aaaah, a Joo-hater? Or just a hater of "Joo," Jesus Christ? His Apostles? Tell us Mr. Fallible and Uninspired Biblical "liberator" - how many times did the Creator exile the Zionists into slavery and subjugation by their enemies for the Ba'al worship? Here's one example:

Ex 32:4-8

4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord.

6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

7 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. KJV

You quoted something worth reading.

Yes the Israelis are sinners too. We all do things wrong. Thank God there is redemption and forgiveness.

Also I would like to apologize for threatening to ban you for talking in riddles.

I was just frustrated because I wanted you to make your point instead of taling in riddles.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   12:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#41)

Naaah, never watched any of the Batman series. Didn't even watch the Tee-Bee version.

I was a Superman guy.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#43) (Edited)

Jefferson was one of MANY "inspirational" Founders.

And yet he was the ONLY one singled out by WallTardian dipshits like you when they reformed the Texas skewel curriculum.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   12:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Also I would like to apologize for threatening to ban you for talking in riddles

Thank you. I don't intend to pose "riddles" - but rather to ask questions that will provoke thought in free minds.

An unanswered question burns longer and deeper. I always appreciated teachers who inspired their students to question and seek - more than those who simply used their tenure as a position of Authoritah from which to inflict their opinions upon others.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   12:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: VxH (#40)

Tell us Mr. Fallible and Uninspired Biblical "liberator" - how many times did the Creator exile the Zionists into slavery and subjugation by their enemies in response to their Ba'al worship?

Which again has WHAT to do with the American Founders??

Which again has WHAT to do with the promised Redeemer of Scripture? (oh wait -- you and Tommy Jefferson don't believe in Jesus Christ and His Miracles OR Salvation. GOT IT.)

All you have is your own silly uber-obsessed tangent, kneeling at Thomas Jefferson's altars in Washington, DC. at every other post, and the steadfast absurd denial of an American nation established by an overwhelming number of Christian denominations.

(but go ahead and quote Wiki again.) Gnat-brain.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: VxH (#46)

Based on misquotes, out of context letter to the Danbury Baptists, and....secular humanist propaganda.

Toolbag.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#44) (Edited)

I wanted you to make your point instead of taling in riddles.

Good luck with that.

We'll only see the spamming of Jeffersonian quotes, altars and memorials another gazillion times.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#49)

Why don't you and RedLegDribbler (or one of the other Waltardian dipshits in the peanut gallery) tell the class again how Franklin, Jefferson, and Paine weren't deists?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   12:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: VxH (#38)

Long after Washington died, when asked about Washington's beliefs, Abercrombie replied: "Sir, Washington was a Deist!" [19][unreliable source?]

Thanks for the "unreliable source."

Thomas Jefferson Virginia Episcopalian (Deist)
Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania

WOW! What an extensive list of Deists!!

FAIL.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: VxH, releghunter (#51)

You're putting on quite a clinic of Epic Fails. (careful you don't trip over your clown-shoes and fall on your alleged brain another hundred times. )

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: VxH (#17)

Title: Children raised by gay couples thank Dolce & Gabbana for supporting traditional marriage amidst Elton John’s boycott

VxH analysis:

"Well, that's organized religion for ya."

Gee, thanks for the focus and staying on topic as usual....You have an extraordinary attention span.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-22   12:23:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#44) (Edited)

Thank God there is redemption and forgiveness.

It is my Deistic observation that a Creator exists, and has existed, beyond temporal space and time. I observe that I am an Individual bound within the laws of the temporal universe -and am thus eternally and infinitely separated from an entity not so bound.

Resolving that separation is the sacrificial role of the temporal (in the space and time sense) personification of that Creator - the Son, Jesus Christ.

Mediating between temporal and non-temporal is the role of the third person of the Trinity: the Holy Spirit.

That is what is self-evident to me, as is the path which might've led folks like Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, Paine, and others to reject the organized religious subjugation of their youth; subjugation manufactured by the state-established owners from whom they intended to extract themselves and their progeny. Evidently it was a process that led them to toss the Trinitarian baby out along with the state-established bath/Ba'al water.

By the Grace of God, I've found no reason to reject the Trinity and embrace their Unitarian solution. I have no quarrel with Individuals who embrace such a faith for themselves.

But, when organized religious herd-goons aspire toward nothing more than to inflict their Fallible and Uninspired opinions upon those within their purview, well --- "I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN" -- Jefferson's American response to ~that, seems completely reasonable.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   12:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#52) (Edited)

Why don't you and RedLegDribbler (or one of the other Walltardian dipshits in the peanut gallery) tell the class again how Franklin, Jefferson, and Paine weren't deists?

What's the seating capacity of the building located exactly 1 mile North of the White Hut, and 2 miles North of the Jefferson Memorial? Must've been expensive. I wonder who paid for it.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   12:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#29) (Edited)

and we all just make up what our own beliefs.

Like the Mormons did?

Like the Muslims did?

Like the Scientologists did?

Are they not each and every one of them an (organized) TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN?

Water freezes at 32 degrees regardless of my belief.

The order of the Creator is manifested, and revealed, throughout nature -- but whether it's Lucifer or Nebuchadnezzar that's identified in Isaiah 14 by his heinous King James, not so much.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   13:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: VxH (#57)

and we all just make up what our own beliefs. Like the Mormons did?

Like the Muslims did?

Like the Scientologists did?

Those are good exampleso of made up pretend religions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   13:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: VxH (#57)

but whether it's Lucifer or Nebuchadnezzar that's identified in Isaiah 14 by his heinous King James, not so much.

There go your riddles again.

Problem is I know where you are going with them.

The King James Bible doesn't make out God to be Lucifer or Nebuchadnezzar to be Lucifer etc. You have a misunderstanding. You took took that wrong belief. Now you make decisions based on your false belief. That then causes you to argue and try to make points that have no basis in reality.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   13:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#58)

Those are good exampleso of made up pretend religions.

Are they organized? Is the tyranny they inflict upon those within their purview corporately organized?

Meanwhile, the self-evidence of natural order exists for comprehension by Individuals from "ALMIGHTY GOD HATH CREATED THE MIND FREE".

To America's founders - the perception of that natural order and the happiness rendered in so doing was an inalienable right.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   13:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: VxH (#60)

Those are good exampleso of made up pretend religions. Are they organized?

They are actually kind of unorganized. As they contain many inconsistencies and contradictions. Unlike the Holy Bible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   13:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: VxH (#60)

Meanwhile, the self-evidence of natural order exists

Is it self evident to you that man didn't evolve? That it takes a male and a female to reproduce. Thus requiring a special creation event.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   13:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#59)

The King James Bible doesn't make out God to be Lucifer or Nebuchadnezzar to be Lucifer etc.

King James is the only version that substitutes Lucifer in place of NebuchadnezZAR.

That's understandable, given that King Jimuh himself was nothing more than a sun-prince propped up atop a temporal KaiSARean state-establishing fraud.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   13:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: VxH (#63)

King James is the only version that substitutes Lucifer in place of NebuchadnezZAR.

The King James version is a true translation.

You should start a thread on what you believe instead of making accusations and not backing them up with anything.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   13:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#62)

Is it self evident to you that man didn't evolve? That it takes a male and a female to reproduce. Thus requiring a special creation event.

It's self-evident to me that human sexual morphology only manifests male anatomy in response to androgen hormones.

A response that is visibly absent in the vestigial female anatomy of XY Androgen insensitive individuals.
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"Holding their two little miracles at home: The woman born a MAN and told she would never conceive cradles twin girls with her husband Hayley Haynes, 28, was born without a womb, ovaries or fallopian tubes Doctors told her she had XY chromosomes, genetically making her male When she was told she would never conceive it left Hayley feeling 'sick' She had babies Avery and Darcey after IVF treatment using an egg donor Said becoming a mother was the 'single most amazing moment of my life'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...eared-no-man-want-me.html

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It's also self-evident that such rare anomalies are exploited by transhumanist/postgenderists whose goal is the perversion of nature in their own image instead of living in harmony with it. Just like they did circa Romans 1:25+

Nonetheless, the fact that human sexual morphology begins with female characteristics raises obvious questions with Biblical creation mythology.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   13:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#64) (Edited)

The King James version is a true translation.

Lucifer (/ÈlsjfYr/ LEW-sif-Yr) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêlêl[1] or heylel,[2] occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible[1] and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star".[2] The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,[3] which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[Isa 14:12][4][5] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[6] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑÉÃÆÌÁ¿Â[7][8][9][10][11] (heMsphoros),[12][13][14] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.[15]

Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the Devil; as he was before his fall.[16] As a result, "'Lucifer' has become a by-word for Satan/the Devil in the Church and in popular literature

[snip]

However, according to both Christian[19] and Jewish exegesis, in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the King of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar II, conqueror of Jerusalem, is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called the "Morning Ha" (planet Venus).[20][21]

 

So Nebuchadnezzar got transforned by popular, Fallible and Uninspired, culture into The Devil.

Oops!

I wonder what the Yezidi (who worship fallen peacock angels) being slaughtered in Northern Iraq because of their "Infidelity" think of that little, religiously organized, snafu?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   13:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: VxH (#65)

So the deist position is that mud turns into people. Sex isn't required to bring children into the world (Or artificial sex where a guy jerks off and someone in a white jacket implants the semen in a woman.)

The egg came before the chicken.

One piece of grass evolved from the mud. Then it had a seed and there were two blaes of grass. Then the next winter those seeds survived and there were 4 or 6 pieces of grass. Then the seeds survived until the next winter and there were 12 pieces of grass......

Tell me how the sexual organs evolved?

Tell me how the eye evolved.

Tell me how mud created a person with lungs, heart, veins and the whole of a person . Then covered itself in skin. Did the skin evolve first or did the heart. Did he heart not used to be in a body incased by skin. If the skin evolved how did it live without a living breathing person with a heart.

Did the brain evolve first or the heart.

Did there used to be some people not formally formed yet and they had a heart but no brain. Or was it they had a brain but no heart.

How did fingers evolve. And did he have fingers before feet?

Also why aren't we evolving anymore. Why aren 't kangaroos evolving anymore. Why isn't anything evolving anymore.

What came first people or food?

Did the bumbleebee evolve before the flower. Or did the flower evolve first. Since Bees need flowers to survive. They flowers must have come first right. Why does some mud turn into plants and some into animals and some into people.

The first person who had sex. Where did their sperm come from?

Since we came from monkeys. You're probably wondering why it is taboo to fuck a monkey. Hey we came from monkeys we should fuck them right?

What about...

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   13:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: VxH (#66)

Hey I have an idea. Just quote the verse and we will discuss it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-22   13:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#67) (Edited)

The fact before the court is that human sexual anatomy presents female vestigial form until affected by Androgen hormones.

Explain ~that using Genesis.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   13:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#67) (Edited)

Hey we came from monkeys we should fuck them right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_immunodeficiency_virus

Stupid is as stupid does.

Meanwhile, genetic influence upon altruism and other social behaviors has been an area of interesting study going on 30+ years.

www.goodreads.com/book/sh...ex_Evolution_and_Behavior

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   13:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: A K A Stone (#67) (Edited)

What about...

How did Meisosis (sexual reproduction)...

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"The evolution of meiosis, however, poses problems of a different order. The crucial but reasonable deduction, based on both cytology and genetics, is that meiosis evolved from mitosis (Cavalier-Smith 1981; Simchen and Hugerat 1993). While the various similarities between the two forms of cell division argue for a close evolutionary relationship between them, the greater complexity of meiosis indicates that it is the derived process. Furthermore, while mitosis is universal in eukaryotic species, meiosis is merely ubiquitous, consistent with its loss in some eukaryotic lineages. Comparative evidence suggests that meiosis appeared early in eukaryotic cell history (Ramesh et al. 2005; Schurko and Logsdon 2008), and its high degree of similarity in different taxonomic groups suggests that it arose only once..."

http://www.genetics.org/content/181/1/3.full

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...evolve from Mitosis - and what adaptive advantages would that've created?

See, now YMMV - but I think it's a lot more humane and fun for folks to be able to ask these questions (courtesy the freedoms secured by our American founders) than to be chased around the countryside for the infidel "sin" of asking questions that challenge the dogmatic pyre du jour.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   14:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#33)

Not to mention those in the Alinsky clan worship Jefferson as the only founder of note. Bubba did and Zero does.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   15:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: VxH, A K A Stone, liberator, Vicomte13 (#38)

"Sir, Washington was a Deist!"[19][unreliable source?]

I already called you on the Wiki admitted unreliable source. That's what Wiki posts when, well the source is unreliable.

Maybe Vic and I can go into Jefferson's wiki page and put in there he was a 4th degree Knights of Columbus. This way I can post it here as an unreliable source.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   16:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#67)

Since we came from monkeys. You're probably wondering why it is taboo to fuck a monkey. Hey we came from monkeys we should fuck them right?

AIDS probably came from monkeys, and it may have been transmitted through sex. Fags have warped minds, they stick gerbils up their butts, so I would not be at all surprised if some were corn-holing monkeys. Fags declared war on nature, and nature fought them back. Nature is God's creation, and I suspect that if we were smart enough we could glean an operating manual for his creation from the Bible.

The bible warned about the dangers of homosexuality, fags ignored it, and they brought AIDS to mankind. Hebrews 6:7 tells of the benefit in allowing the earth to soak up rains, instead of spending millions to promote in-soak in the uplands we spent billions to dam rich productive bottom lands. There is a lot to be learned from the Bible. For a normal person the very acts that define the sodomite are disgusting, and that is probably an instinct with which we were endowed by our creator.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-03-22   16:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: redleghunter (#73)

 

Did you call yourself out yet, Redlegdribbler?

From the source YOU posted:

 

Thomas Jefferson

Virginia

Episcopalian (Deist)

Benjamin Franklin

Pennsylvania

Episcopalian (Deist)


Oops.  But then disengenuous sheeple herders like you never hold yourselves accountable to the truth.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   16:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: nativist nationalist (#74)

For a normal person the very acts that define the sodomite are disgusting

Healthy folks have natural common sense.

Observe how the homosexualists have infested various religious organizations with the effect of subversively indoctrinating and desensitizing those within their purview against that natural protective instinct.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   16:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone, GarySpFc (#42)

Name calling makes you look weak.

As I stated Franklin more aligns with Unitarian. A Unitarian would not take communion in an Episcopal church since that church believes in the real presence of Christ in the bread and wine.

Take the whole counsel of Franklin and not just Wiki. His views did change over time.

His final creed was the following:

Here is my Creed: I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable Service we can render to him, is doing Good to his other Children…. I think the System of Morals [devised by Jesus] and his Religion as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting Changes, and I have with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity.

The statement on Divine Providence puts him at odds with deism. Franklin's statement denying the Deity of Christ puts him at odds with orthodox Christianity. His beliefs more align with Unitarian or today Jehovah's witnesses.

Jefferson is all over the map.

Paine, from what I observe, was closer to an atheist than a deist.

There are some sources which show Paine denied any Deity.

In Last Words of sinners and saints, Paine in his dying words said thus:

"I would give worlds, if I had them, that Age of Reason had not been published. O Lord, help me! Christ help me! O God what have I done to suffer so much? But there is no God! But if there should be, what will become of me hereafter? Stay with me, for God's sake! ...If ever the devil had an agent, I have been that one." (Thomas Paine)

Source:Last Words of Saints and Sinners:(p. 132)

Paine

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   16:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: redleghunter (#77) (Edited)

As I stated Franklin more aligns with Unitarian

But that's not what the link you pasted asserts.

Benjamin Franklin

Pennsylvania

Episcopalian (Deist)

Once again you demonstrate you're nothing more than a disingenuous Fallible and Uninspired parrot looking to assume dominion over the faith of others - in this case, the other being Ben Franklin. FAIL

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator (#43)

t is absolutely remarkably comical that in your pedestrian microscopic mind that the other Founders knelt before Thomas Jefferson.

They loved him so much to cashier him to Paris while drafting the Constitution.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   17:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: redleghunter, liberator (#79) (Edited)

They loved him so much to cashier him to Paris while drafting the Constitution.

Feb 17 1801 -- Thomas Jefferson is elected

On this day in 1801, Thomas Jefferson is elected the third president of the United States. The election constitutes the first peaceful transfer of power from one political party to another in the United States.

By 1800, when he decided to run for president, Thomas Jefferson possessed impressive political credentials and was well-suited to the presidency. In addition to drafting the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson had served in two Continental Congresses, as minister to France, as secretary of state under George Washington and as John Adams’ vice president.

www.history.com/this-day-...omas-jefferson-is-elected
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How'come you WallTard good-ol-boys didn't try to unexist any of the other Enlightened Deists from the Texas curriculum?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone, GarySpFc (#78)

Read his letter. Divine Providence is not a deist term. Deists viewed an uninterested Creator. The watch maker.

Franklin shows more signs of Unitarian. There is a God involved in the affairs of men. Franklin did not deny such a God as the deists did but he was also not a Trinitarian. He most aligns with the Arian beliefs on One God. So today he would have been either a Unitarian or Jehovah Witness.

Paine's dying words as I quoted makes him no deist as they believed in a Deity Creator. He was more an agnostic or atheist.

Paine had quite a following and some of them had last words like him:

William Pope was a follower of Thomas Paine.

WILLIAM POPE, who died in 1797, is said to have been the leader of a company of infidels who ridiculed everything religious. One of their exercises was to kick the Bible about the floor or tear it up. Friends who were present in his death-chamber spoke of it as a scene of terror as he died crying:

"I have no contrition. I cannot repent. God will damn me. I know the day of grace is past . . . You see one who is damned forever . . Oh, Eternity! Eternity! . Nothing for me but hell. Come, eternal torments . . . I hate everything God has made, only I have no hatred for the devil -- I wish to be with him. I long to be in hell. Do you not see? Do you not see him? He is coming for me?" http://www.sermonnotebook.org/new%20testament/Heb%202_3.htm

Lockyer, Herbert, All The Last Words Of Saints And Sinners (Grand Rapids: Kregel, 1969) 132-133.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   17:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: VxH (#46)

And yet he was the ONLY one singled out by WallTardian dipshits like you when they reformed the Texas skewel curriculum.

Jefferson already has "too much press" about him. It is about time Texas textbooks spoke of the volume of American founders and not just teach Jefferson, MLK and Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   17:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: redleghunter (#81)

Read his letter.

I read the link you pasted:

#59. To: VxH, GarySpFc, liberator (#57)

Founders religion

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   0:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which said:

Benjamin Franklin

Pennsylvania

Episcopalian (Deist)

Was it wrong?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: redleghunter (#82) (Edited)

Jefferson already has "too much press" about him.

In your Fallible and Uninspired opinion.

uhuh.

I never gave Jefferson much thought until I visited his memorial when in DC for 9/12.

I found in his writings, carved in stone on the walls of his memorial, a kindred spirit in defiance of parrots who assert the world is 5000 years old and that anybody who observes otherwise can't possibly be part of THEIR body of Christ.

How much do you charge when you preen those vestigial Roman feathers in the pulpit?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone, GarySpFc (#40)

Ex 32:4-8

Let's back up to Exodus 20:

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Sounds familiar.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   17:45:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: redleghunter (#85)

Let's back up to Exodus 20:

Nah, let's back up the link you pulled out of your Fallible and Uninspired arse:

 

#59. To: VxH, GarySpFc, liberator (#57)

Founders religion

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   0:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which said:

Benjamin Franklin

Pennsylvania

Episcopalian (Deist)

Was it wrong?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone, GarySpFc (#55)

That is what is self-evident to me, as is the path which might've led folks like Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, Paine, and others to reject the organized religious subjugation of their youth; subjugation manufactured by the state-established owners from whom they intended to extract themselves and their progeny. Evidently it was a process that led them to toss the Trinitarian baby out along with the state-established bath/Ba'al water.

By the Grace of God, I've found no reason to reject the Trinity and embrace their Unitarian solution. I have no quarrel with Individuals who embrace such a faith for themselves.

Articulation. A sincere thank you.

You have professed a Trinitarian belief above. One which Jefferson and Franklin would not agree with.

They denied the Deity of Christ. Seems you do not.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   17:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: redleghunter (#85)

 
 
 
It's pretty obvious you Zionist WallTards not only hate the man in that memorial - but also the IDEAS that you can't erase HIS association with. As long as those ideas remain SECURED - your ilk can't raise yourSELVES up atop the state-established Appokeelyptic dung heap you cling to like flies on Ba'al manure.
 
 
 
 

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   17:54:58 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: VxH (#83)

Was it wrong?

Deist is in parentheses. Episcopalians are not doctrinally deists. So the site uses both as Franklin never confirmed a specific church.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   18:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: VxH (#84)

Well LOL your moment of clarity has ended.

Try not to pick and choose what is convenient from scriptures to serve your purposes. That's the real Baal Shite way.

No feathers here. I can get some for your spontaneous gamete peacock shawl.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   18:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: VxH (#86)

Explained it. They don't know so put both.

Episcopalians are not deists.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   18:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: VxH (#88)

No I like all of our founders. Thomas Jefferson included. I just don't bow down and lick his boots.

Stop worshipping man, worship God.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   18:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: redleghunter (#92) (Edited)

They don't know so put both.


Says Fallible and Uninspired ewe.


Meanwhile:

Franklin formulated a presentation of his beliefs and published it in 1728.[121] It did not mention many of the Puritan ideas as regards belief in salvation, the divinity of Jesus, and indeed most religious dogma. He clarified himself as a deist in his 1771 autobiography,[122] although he still considered himself a Christian.[123] He retained a strong faith in a God as the wellspring of morality and goodness in man, and as a Providential actor in history responsible for American independence.[124]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


Stop worshipping man, worship God.

I'll worship my Creator as He and my free minded American faith inspires, not as you and your fellow Fallible and Uninspired, Zionist, Walltardian, religiously appokeelypsical parrots would dictate.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   18:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: redleghunter (#81) (Edited)

Divine Providence is not a deist term.

And yet, your opinion didn't seem to preclude Frankin from asserting the contrary:

Benjamin Franklin wrote in his autobiography, "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist. My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of them having afterwards wrong'd me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith's conduct towards me (who was another freethinker) and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, tho' it might be true, was not very useful."[50][51] Franklin also wrote that "the Deity sometimes interferes by his particular Providence, and sets aside the Events which would otherwise have been produc'd in the Course of Nature, or by the Free Agency of Man.[52] He later stated, in the Constitutional Convention, that "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men."[53]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

 

Is cleaning the parrot guano off the pulpit included in your fee, or is there an occult charge for that?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   20:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: VxH (#94)

He later stated, in the Constitutional Convention, that "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men."[53

The above is not a tenant of deism. Nor is your testimony of Trinitarian belief.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   21:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: VxH, redleghunter, A K A Stone, nativist nationalist (#65)

"...The fact that human sexual morphology begins with female characteristics raises obvious questions with Biblical creation mythology."

HUH?? You can you be any more totally and monumentally beyond help?

Having perused this thread, the brakes slammed several times...to chuckle and shake my head. Just stunning.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   2:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: VxH, redleghunter (#94)

Is cleaning the parrot guano off the pulpit included in your fee, or is there an occult charge for that?

That depends -- have you completed your Golden Calf in the image of Thomas Jefferson? Are you quite done splattering load after load of horse dung onto this thread? If so, we can finally remove the circus elephants and clown car and call in the HAZMAT crew.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   3:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#96)

HUH??

A typical response to be expected from a religiously petrified Idiot.

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

That's right super genius, sans testosterone and other Androgen hormones, XY individuals present the external appearance of FEMALE genetalia. Of course, lacking a womb, these individuals are reproductively sterile.

When caught early enough, however, the administration of androgen hormones has allowed the afflicted individuals to mature into relatively normal human males.

Now once again I'll ask - how do you explain that FACT using Genesis' creation myth?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: redleghunter (#95)

The above is not a tenant of BLAH BLAH BLAH

Nor is your testimony of BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Meanwhile, YOU present a bleating example of the state-established parasites " WHO BEING FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED MEN HAVE ASSUMED DOMINION OVER THE FAITH OF OTHERS, SETTING UP THEIR OPINIONS AND MODES OF THINKING AS THE ONLY TRUE AND INFALLIBLE".

NO SALE.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: VxH, liberator (#98)

Now once again I'll ask - how do you explain that FACT using Genesis' creation myth?

Well we know it is not by chance. It that be the case all chance would be 50/50 as that is roughly the breakdown of the sexes on earth.

So the coveted 'chance' is out.

Answer:

"“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you;"---God

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: VxH (#99)

He later stated, in the Constitutional Convention, that "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men."[53 The above is not a tenant of deism. Nor is your testimony of Trinitarian belief.

Just in case some are playing the game at home above is what I responded to.

This was your answer:

The above is not a tenant of BLAH BLAH BLAH Nor is your testimony of BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Shame on you. My 10 year old knows better and has better manners.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: redleghunter (#100) (Edited)

It that be the case all chance would be 50/50 as that is roughly the breakdown of the sexes on earth.

It that be?

LOL.

So did Adam have female genitals before or after your myth formed him out of the mud?

Where did Eve come from again, allegedly?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: VxH (#102)

That would be "If."

No, as God formed man from the dust of the earth.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: redleghunter (#103)

No, as God formed man from the dust of the earth.

Did he form man with female genitals?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: redleghunter (#101) (Edited)

My 10 year old knows better and has better manners.

Are you raising them to be a Fallible and Uninspired religious goon in your own image?

Do they know why/how male genitals are formed any better than you do?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: VxH (#99)

WHO BEING FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED MEN HAVE ASSUMED DOMINION OVER THE FAITH OF OTHERS,

I have dominion over your faith. My faith is better then yours. Your faith is as a pile of cat shit with flies on it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   12:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: VxH (#104)

Did he form man with female genitals?

No because he was called Adam...Man.

What the original man and woman have to do with following procreation is irrelevant to your assertion.

Your ridiculous assertion would lead to "was Adam ever a sperm cell." That's just plain stupid and you know it.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: A K A Stone (#106) (Edited)

I have dominion over your faith. My faith is better then yours. Your faith is as a pile of cat shit with flies on it.

Ah, that's the Spirit. And you are welcome to your opinion.

But fortunately, thanks to folks like Thomas Jefferson, that opinion doesn't have the backing of state-established coercive powers.

So, when the folks at the Mayo Clinic publish their facts regarding the effect of Androgen hormones in the manifestation of male genetalia, they don't have to worry about being chased around the countryside by some caeSARean inquisitor.

Isn't that nice?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: redleghunter (#107) (Edited)

No because he was called Adam...Man.

And yet his sons, and their sons, and etc... had genitalia that only present themselves with male form in the presence of Androgen hormones.

Otherwise, they'd have been born as female appearing... wait for it... EUNUCHS.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: VxH (#105)

Are you raising them to be a Fallible and Uninspired religious goon in your own image?

Do they know why/how male genitals are formed any better than you do?

They are being raised as Christians. By word and example.

You know I'm sure my boys have this figured out more than you do. They have raised farm animals and know the difference between 'boys' and 'girls.' I know it is a tough concept these days but spend some time on a farm and it becomes quite clear.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: redleghunter (#110) (Edited)

You know I'm sure my boys have this figured out more than you do.

Have they figured out the only reason they have a penis and scrotum is because of the effects of Androgen hormones?

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

 

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: VxH (#109)

And yet his sons, and their sons, and etc... had genitalia that only present themselves with male form in the presence of Androgen hormones.

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you;---God

The Potter is still involved in the clay. God is Sovereign.

Or to put it more in terms all may be able to grasp. When the round comes out of the breech, it is intended to be that way.

You have a eunuch fetish.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: VxH (#108)

Ah, that's the Spirit. And you are welcome to your opinion.

But fortunately, thanks to folks like Thomas Jefferson, that opinion doesn't have the backing of state-established coercive powers.

So, when the folks at the Mayo Clinic publish their facts regarding the effect of Androgen hormones in the manifestation of male genetalia, they don't have to worry about being chased around the countryside by some caeSARean inquisitor.

Isn't that nice?

You could also take a dull knife to your genitals. Then you'd be a female right?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: redleghunter (#112) (Edited)

You have a eunuch fetish.

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

No I have a Truth fetish.

Are your offspring aware that they'd have female appearing genitalia if it weren't for the effects of Androgen hormones? 

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: redleghunter (#112) (Edited)

God is Sovereign.

Yeah that's what your religiously petrified state-establishing brethren in ISIS assert too when they're raping the Yezidi "devil" worshippers.

Idiots all.

NO SALE.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:07:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: VxH (#108)

So basically you are saying. You don't have a right to live. Got ya.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: redleghunter (#112)

Do you believe that VxH has anything to offer those of us who seek the truth.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should pull up the welcome mat.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: A K A Stone (#116)

So basically you are saying. You don't have a right to live. Got ya.

Do Americans have the right to pursue the Truth sans state-established coercion?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:09:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: VxH (#118)

Do Americans have the right to pursue the Truth

Of course they do.

But you don't have a right to peddle fabrications here.

You're permitted to do that for shits and giggles at the moment.

But you are starting to bore me, and others I'm sure.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: VxH (#111)

Have they figured out the only reason they have a penis and scrotum is because of the effects of Androgen hormones?

They fully understand procreation and all it's phases. To be an effective future breeder of cattle this knowledge is a must at a young age in FFA.

They know that when a sow gives birth the litter will have a certain percentage of male/female ratio.

This is not hard really.

How this confirms evolution over creation has no bearing. In fact, such an act shows more divine intervention than chance.

But you are way off. At conception the sex of the embryo is determined. The sperm cell either has an X or Y chromosome. About 4 months later (humans) the sexual organs under go sexual differentiation based on the XX or XY sequence.

You are looking for more than there is to this complex, yet clear chain of events.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#119) (Edited)

But you don't have a right to peddle fabrications here.

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

 

 


without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female.

 

Is that a fabrication? 

IIRC it was a biological FACT being taught in an Animal Behavior course at the LCMS' Concordia Seward facility circa 1983. 

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: VxH (#121)

Is that a fabrication?

Probably not. That is not what I am talking about though. I'm talking about trolling peoples faith.

Your points about some therapy changing the sex or appearing to change the sex. Doesn't matter concerning if God created us or not.

You can always play mad scientist and screw with people.

Your point is irrelevant to the discussion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: VxH (#111)

Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

Ok Mr. Science tell me which chromosome sequence produces the hormones for male genitals?

That would be the XY at conception. The XX, also, later produce the female hormones.

You are hung up on birth defects in utero. It happens and those who are born with them must have our compassion and care.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: VxH, A K A Stone (#114)

Are your offspring aware that they'd have female appearing genitalia if it weren't for the effects of Androgen hormones?

LOL. If both my sons had XX chromosomes at conception they would be girls. Welcome to procreation 101.

You are starting to convince me sex education needs to be in public schools.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: VxH (#115)

God is Sovereign.

And here you professed belief in the Christ of the Bible being truly God and truly Man.

If the above is not the sovereign design of God, then what is your view?

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: redleghunter (#120)

About 4 months later (humans) the sexual organs under go sexual differentiation based on the XX or XY sequence.

And yet without Androgen, or with Insensitivity to Androgen - the genitalia don't undergo that differentiation, do they.

Thus, XY individuals afflicted with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome present an external FEMALE appearance.

For Example:

Woman born with no womb gives birth to miracle twins

Hayley Haynes, who was born with no reproductive organs, has given birth to twins after specialist treatment to grow a womb

She said she had no idea she was different when she was growing up but began to grow concerned when she had not started her periods by the age of 19, despite going through other signs of puberty.

Following months of hospital trips and blood tests, specialists told her she had been born with XY chromosomes, meaning she was genetically male. She had no reproductive organs thanks to a condition called androgen insensitivity syndrome.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11381463/Woman-born-with-no-womb-gives-birth-to-miracle-twins.html

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: A K A Stone, VxH (#117)

Do you believe that VxH has anything to offer those of us who seek the truth.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should pull up the welcome mat.

He had a moment of clarity yesterday. Took three years but it happened. Stoke the fires and the wormwood and maybe we will get more:)

I have no problem helping grown men learn about basic procreation (sex ed). We might get a few more kiddos born to this country if we do; instead of people discarding them.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: VxH, redleghunter (#114)

I have a Truth fetish.

Is it true that in your alleged mind, Thomas Jefferson's pseudonym is "God"?

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession for worshiping false idols and necromancy.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: redleghunter (#124)

If both my sons had XX chromosomes at conception they would be girls. Welcome to procreation 101.

If they were XY and either produced no androgen hormones or were Androgen Insensitive -- what would they APPEAR to be?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: redleghunter (#125)

then what is your view?

My view is I'm an infidel who enjoys America's protections against state-established religious coercion.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: VxH (#115)

God is Sovereign.

Yeah that's what your religiously petrified state-establishing brethren in ISIS assert too when they're raping the Yezidi "devil" worshippers.

So now you claim those who worship the God of Abraham are worshiping the same "god" as Muslims -- Allah, the satanic Moon God?

Pick up your garbage can and medication, get up, and head straight to the nurses office. (We'll call an ambulance, Mommy and Daddy AND your psychiatrist.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone (#126)

And yet without Androgen, or with Insensitivity to Androgen - the genitalia don't undergo that differentiation, do they.

A birth defect. A test for us to be compassionate, kind and supportive.

Has bunk to do with evolution vs. creation.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: VxH, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#130)

My view is I'm an infidel who enjoys America's protections against state-established religious coercion.

You're an "Infidel" alright -- you believe in everything but nothing. Upthread you stated you believed in the Trinity, downthread you backed out.

Secondly, let's see you try and prove your claim that you've been coerced by ANY established religion.

GO, POLLY!

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: A K A Stone (#122)

Doesn't matter concerning if God created us or not.

It matters to those interested in the nature of how He created us.

And it matters when "pastors" assert that the individuals within their purview can't possibly be a member of "their" body of Christs if those individuals recognize certain self-evident natural truths that conflict with the "pastor"'s "the world is only 6000 years old" interpretation of Creation.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: VxH (#129)

If they were XY and either produced no androgen hormones or were Androgen Insensitive -- what would they APPEAR to be?

Wow. Only in rare cases this happens. It is called a birth defect.

XY produces the necessary hormones to produce male genitals. That's how it works. Sometimes in this imperfect and fallen world it does not happen.

How that determines your claim evolution is proved by this is not clear at all.

But no the hormone does not determine the gender of the baby. That happens at conception. Then the XY or XX chromosome then determines the hormone for development.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: redleghunter, VxH, A K A Stone (#132)

Has bunk to do with evolution vs. creation.

Of course not, but then I was reminded, "coke's a heluva drug" ~ Rick James

Meanwhile, I'm still laughing at this gem:

"And yet his [Adam's] sons, and their sons, and etc... had genitalia that only present themselves with male form in the presence of Androgen hormones.

Otherwise, they'd have been born as female appearing... wait for it... EUNUCHS."

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:56:19 ET

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone (#130)

My view is I'm an infidel who enjoys America's protections against state-established religious coercion

I agree. Then you should be railing against the US established religion of secular humanistic atheism. That is the established 'church' in the US today.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: redleghunter (#132)

A birth defect.

"without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345


That's not a birth defect, it's a biological human reproductive FACT.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: redleghunter (#137)

Then you should be railing against the US established religion of secular humanistic atheism.

Been there, railed against that.

"EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Liberator, Vicomte13 (#136)

Otherwise, they'd have been born as female appearing... wait for it... EUNUCHS."

Yes there is a eunuch fetish presented. Poor Vic used to be the sole "temple eunuch" target. Now horizons are expanding:)

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: VxH, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#102)

VxH: "So did Adam have female genitals before or after your myth formed him out of the mud?"

Bring back the clown car, the circus elephants -- the one man band is BACK!!

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: redleghunter, VxH (#137)

You should be railing against the US established religion of secular humanistic atheism. That is the established 'church' in the US today.

BULLSEYE.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: redleghunter (#140) (Edited)

Yes there is a eunuch fetish presented.

What sort of fetish was presented by the worshipers who frequented the services held in the Delphic district?

==================================

"Sacred Prostitutes"


"Woman at the Window," often interpreted as a prostitute, sacred or not, soliciting clients, but actually, in all likelihood, the Mesopotamian goddess Kilili, an associate or aspect of Inanna/Ishtar. One of many such ivory inlays of the same motif found in Mesopotamia, but probably made in Phoenicia/Canaan. Dated about 900 BCE. © S. Beaulieu, after Shepsut 1993:115.

An "improbable percentage of the population [of Mesopotamia and Syria-Canaan] must have been either secular or religious prostitutes of some sort," wrote Beatrice Brooks in 1941 (231). She was drawing conclusions from the writings of predominantly male scholars who accepted without question the concept of "sacred, cult, or temple prostitutes." Female temple functionaries, they maintained, regularly engaged in sexual intercourse in return for a payment to their temples. Female devotees of Inanna/Ishtar, the Mesopotamian goddess of sexuality and love, were "immediately" suspect of such behavior (Assante 1998:6). Until recently, most scholars took this view for granted, and some still do.

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VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:47:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#140) (Edited)

Yes there is a eunuch fetish presented. Poor Vic used to be the sole "temple eunuch" target. Now horizons are expanding:)

Yeah, remember that?

(I am a "temple eunuch"...er I mean, Spartacus!)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone (#138)

without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

That's not a birth defect, it's a biological human reproductive FACT.

Only if you see the goal of procreation is to produce eunuchs. It is not. The goal from conception is either XX or XY. What happens after that is either a normal developmental process or a defect is introduced in gestation.

"'God made them male and female' from the beginning of creation"--Jesus Christ

And Jesus said:

"“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”(Luke chapter 4)

Believe me...I know something about babies being born not 'perfect' babies. The struggles and surgeries the child endures and then see them overcome what was a 'defect' to be the fastest and strongest in their age group. Batting average is pretty good and what a glove!

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: VxH (#139)

Been there, railed against that.

Not quite with as much vigor, vinegar, and heap of insanity.

Truth is, you're a necromantic of Thomas Jefferson's bones who worships false idols and a false religion. And you mock the Lord...

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Liberator (#144) (Edited)

(I am a "temple eunuch"...er I mean, Spartacus!)

Spartacus and his wife were both free before the Roman state-establishment enslaved them.

How did that turn out again?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: redleghunter (#145) (Edited)

Only if you see the goal of procreation is to produce eunuchs. It is not.

 

"without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345


Your religious / human manufactured opinions regarding the "goals" of nature are irrelevant to nature.  Just as water freezes at 32 degrees so too the fact that, without the effects of androgen hormones, human genitals develop as female - is self-evident, and stands regardless of opinion to the contrary.

What "sex" constitutes majority of individuals in a healthy bee hive?  

What a surprise (NOT) that the temple whores of Delphi chose the bee to represent them.



VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   14:06:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Liberator (#146) (Edited)

Truth is, you're a necromantic of Thomas Jefferson's bones who worships false idols and a false religion.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. It's not Jefferson's bones that have captured my attention - but the Ideas he was used to convey, that somebody took the time to write in stone.

And you mock the Lord...

No Domina, I mock the human religiously concocted created things, and their state-established Temple-perching caeSARean creators, who would assume dominion over my relationship to Him.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   14:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#148)

What "sex" constitutes majority of individuals in a healthy bee hive?

What a surprise (NOT) that the temple whores of Delphi chose the bee to represent them.

You must be a hoot at weddings and Barmitzvahs.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   14:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: redleghunter (#150) (Edited)

You must be a hoot at weddings and Barmitzvahs.

More of a Bzzzzzzz than a hoot.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   16:06:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: VxH (#130)

My view is I'm an infidel who enjoys America's protections against state-established religious coercion.

And yet you have this very strange need to get in people's faces over religious views they have.

Why is that? Why is this strange need of yours so virulent and what caused this? Were you an alter boy who was given 'special attention' by the priest?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-23   17:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Dead Culture Watch, VxH, releghunter, A K A Stone (#152)

And yet you have this very strange need to get in people's faces over religious views they have.

Why is that? Why is this strange need of yours so virulent and what caused this? Were you an alter boy who was given 'special attention' by the priest?

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   17:14:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: VxH (#149) (Edited)

It's not Jefferson's bones that have captured my attention - but the Ideas he was used to convey, that somebody took the time to write in stone.

You mean your spamming of threads with post after post of words (prayers) and stone monuments (idols) dedicated to and attributed Jefferson (your god) are NOT acts of worship?

Tsk. Our God is a jealous God.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   17:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Vicomte13 (#154)

PING

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   17:21:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Liberator (#154)

Tsk. Our God is a jealous God.

Tsk. From your posts I get the impression what you worship are yourself and the opinions you and your fellow goons share whilst backslapping and snearing to each other about your superiority over the infidels... as you perch around the donut table on Sun-day mornings.

Is the edification of the body of Christ you display typical of your "church"'s membership?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   17:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Dead Culture Watch (#152) (Edited)

Why is that?

Maybe it's a natural response to when Fallible and Uninspired frauds assume dominion over the tele-curriculum.


etc etc etc.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   17:35:55 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: VxH (#157)

Wow, they all post here? Who knew!

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-23   23:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Dead Culture Watch (#158)

Birds of a feather fleece together.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   23:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: VxH (#159)

So the people who post here hang out at all of those people's houses?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-23   23:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: VxH (#159) (Edited)

Oh, never mind, it's obvious you are calling the posters here con artist theifs.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-23   23:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: VxH (#159)

How much money did they get from you? I hope a lot.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-23   23:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Dead Culture Watch (#160)

Is their version of organized religious dominion any different?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   23:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Dead Culture Watch (#162)

How much money did they get from you?

Zero.

I hope a lot.

Is that what your Christian doctrine teaches you to hope?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   23:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: VxH (#164)

So, you are calling me a Christian? Find a single post anywhere by me where I claim any religious affiliation. There is 14 years worth of posts, and I can assure you not once have I said that.

So, you've called all the posters here who believe in Christ crooks, without any evidence, is that what you consider cool? Or, are you just Yukons twin?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-24   0:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Dead Culture Watch (#165) (Edited)

So, you've called all the posters here who believe in Christ crooks

No, you called them crooks.

I just call them Fallible and Uninspired parrots who assume dominion over the faith of others. Just like their tele-sun-parrot counterparts.

And there's PLENTY of evidence for that.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   0:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Dead Culture Watch (#165) (Edited)

So, you are calling me a Christian?

Does parroting a defense of Fallible and Uninspired sun-parrots make an individual Christian?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   0:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: VxH (#167)

Obviously to some ignorant POSs it does.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-24   0:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Dead Culture Watch (#168) (Edited)

Obviously to some ignorant POSs it does.

Ignorant about what, exactly, Domina?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: VxH (#166)

To: Dead Culture Watch So, you've called all the posters here who believe in Christ crooks No, you called them crooks.

I just call them Fallible and Uninspired parrots who assume dominion over the faith of others. Just like their tele-sun-parrot counterparts.

And there's PLENTY of evidence for that.

So, birds of a feather fleece together doesn't mean they are crooks, just like those in the pictures?

Now it's obvious you lie.

Also, tell me how someone assumes dominion over another's faith? You just throw pompous words out there, but it's obvious there is no depth of thought behind anything you post, just tripe you repackage over and over, all of it designed to get under someone's skin.

I can appreciate a good troll, but your act is getting old.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-24   1:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Dead Culture Watch (#170) (Edited)

So, birds of a feather fleece together doesn't mean they are crooks, just like those in the pictures?

"Crooks" is the word coming from your beak.

Meanwhile, the uniform vitriole of the sun-parrots (you're defending) towards the Viginia Act and its author unites them.

'To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.'

Don't you agree?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: VxH (#171)

Vitriol?

Dumbass, the reason only reason I'm on this thread is because of YOUR vitriol.

Tard.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-24   1:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Dead Culture Watch (#170) (Edited)

birds of a feather fleece together doesn't mean they are crooks,

Were the money changers on the steps of the temple "crooks" - or just state-established sun-parrots making a living... by assuming dominion over the faith of others?

Were the sacrificial goats and chickens they sold flawed somehow? Did their customers not receive the fleecing they paid for?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Dead Culture Watch (#172) (Edited)

YOUR vitriol.

ETERNAL HOSTILITY

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Dead Culture Watch (#172)

the reason only reason I'm on this thread is because of YOUR vitriol.

You sure it's not just to satiate your ego?

What's next a demonstration of projectile peeing?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: VxH (#173)

So, dumbfuck, why don't you go ask those guys? As far as I know, no one here is a money changer.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-24   1:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: VxH (#174)

To: Dead Culture Watch vitriol ETERNAL HOSTILITY

To that, I plead guilty, I am and always will be eternally hostile to assholes like you and Yukon.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-24   1:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Dead Culture Watch (#176) (Edited)

So, dumbfuck,

LOL. That's impressive.

As far as I know, no one here is a money changer.

As far as you know, Domina, did the money changers assume dominion over the faith of others?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Dead Culture Watch (#177) (Edited)

ETERNAL HOSTILITY

To that, I plead guilty, I am and always will be eternally hostile to assholes like you and Yukon.

It wasn't an accusation, super genius.

It was a correction.

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TOWARD EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"--Thomas Jefferson

The Sun-parrots you're defending are quite vitriolic toward that assertion and its author, and those who share Jefferson's sentiments toward them.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: VxH (#179)

It's late Nancy, I get up at 4 am to support trash like you, good night.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-24   1:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Dead Culture Watch (#180) (Edited)

I get up at 4 am to support trash like you,

Now who's making unsupported accusations? I don't need or receive "support" from goons like you.

good night

Sweet dreams, Domina.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   1:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: redleghunter (#0)

Children should be raised by their biological parents, one of each sex, who should be married for life, and who should have both been chaste until marriage.

Properly, a child is conceived within the context of a lifelong conjugal union, is raised by those parents, and remains chaste until his or her own marriage, and continues the cycle.

Any sexual activity outside of married union is sinful. This includes simple masturbation, which is at best a simple uncleanness, and can be a much more serious sin depending on the mental fantasies involved in it (for Jesus told us that lusting after a woman is adultery of the heart).

Sexual activity with another individual (or individuals) outside of marriage is fornication or adultery or sodomy, all of which are sins generically called "porneia" in Greek: sexual immorality.

The first commandment that God gave to man upon our creation was "Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue her". He gave that same commandment again to Noah and the others when they came off the Ark after the Flood. The sin of Babel was remaining concentrated in one place and thereby defying God's command to fill the whole earth.

When married couples use contraception to avoid being fruitful, they frustrate the purpose of sex as God made and intended it, and they sin.

All sex outside of marriage, including sex with yourself, is sinful. All pursuit of lustful thoughts, including looking at pornographic pictures, is sinful. All sex within marriage that uses contraception to frustrate God's will is sinful.

God hates divorce (see Malachi, where the Prophet says those exact words; also see Jesus). And God has defined remarriage after divorce as adultery.

Within Israel, his people under his law, were not permitted to approach their spouses for sex during the woman's period, or until the time afterwards when she had taken her mikvah. A woman's unclean period was seven days. Thus, under the laws of God, men are not permitted to have sex in any form until marriage, and then during marriage, are only permitted it during 75% of the year. 7 days of every 28 are periods of uncleanness due to menstruation.

The notion that men "need" sex is false. Men are capable of living celibate, chaste lives, and God commands us to do that. God has created sex for a set of explicit purposes, of which procreation is the first commandment. Thus, all forms of contraception are sinful. Abortion is outright murder.

That's the law of God. Most of us fall short of it. The only proper response to falling short is to acknowledge the sin, ask for forgiveness, get back up and go forth to not sin again. That's it. That's all.

Instead, what people mostly have done is seek to either change the law or denigrate it.

The economic structures and concepts that God established for men will work to permit people to be fruitful and multiply. Our economic system won't. Therefore, obviously, our economic system and political structures are occasions to sin, and should be cut off and cast away, and God's re-adopted.

But men don't make the connections between economics and politics and sex, and seek instead to either (a) assert that there is no law of God (or that there's no God to HAVE a law, or (b) assert that we're "free" of the law and may do as we please, and still nevertheless be blessed by God.

We keep dying, and our lives and systems keep falling apart, so apparently God hasn't gotten the word.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-24   9:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Vicomte13 (#182)

Your presentation of the Law and Economony of God vs. that of man (world) sums up all of your comments quite well.

Sobering and instructive.

Also squares with things to come. When Christ comes again it will be as a conquering King to bring Judgement and reward.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-24   9:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: redleghunter (#183)

Your presentation of the Law and Economony of God vs. that of man (world) sums up all of your comments quite well.

Sobering and instructive.

Also squares with things to come. When Christ comes again it will be as a conquering King to bring Judgement and reward.

There's a reason why Jesus and the Apostles so often quoted the Songs ("psalm" is the word "song". We speak English. It is the Book of Songs, not "Psalms").

Song lyrics have a beat and music that makes them much more memorable than prose and blank verse. We've sung this traditional Advent song a few times during this Lent. It perfectly summarizes what you wrote, and tells it like it is:

The King shall come when morning dawns and light triumphant breaks, when beauty gilds the eastern hills, and life to joy awakes.

Not as of old a little child, to suffer and to die; but crowned with glory like the sun that lights the morning sky.

Oh, brighter than the rising morn when Christ, victorious, rose, and left the lonesome place of death despite the rage of foes.

Oh, brighter than that glorious morn shall dawn upon our race the day when Christ in splendor comes and we shall see His face.

The King shall come when morning dawns, and light and beauty brings. Hail, Christ the Lord! Your people pray: Come quickly, King of kings!

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-24   10:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste, liberator, GarySpFc (#184)

The King shall come when morning dawns and light triumphant breaks, when beauty gilds the eastern hills, and life to joy awakes.

Not as of old a little child, to suffer and to die; but crowned with glory like the sun that lights the morning sky.

Oh, brighter than the rising morn when Christ, victorious, rose, and left the lonesome place of death despite the rage of foes.

Oh, brighter than that glorious morn shall dawn upon our race the day when Christ in splendor comes and we shall see His face.

The King shall come when morning dawns, and light and beauty brings. Hail, Christ the Lord! Your people pray: Come quickly, King of kings!

Love it. A beautiful poem.

Maranatha!

Autumn comes... and the leaves fall to the ground And the fields of green turned to shades of brown That is how the master paints the town With a spray of colors meant to melt your frown

And soon in the restless leaves will all lie still As a billion flakes of snow adorn my sill That is how the Master of cleans His house He does this in me, before he sends me out

But how long will it be... Before these mortal eyes perceive That which all nature longs to see... But we only see his reflection in the trees

There'll come a day not long from now When the artist will unveil himself To my eyes of clay Not through a glass sooted with my mistakes But like two men see... Face-to-face

But how long will it be... Before these mortal eyes perceive That which all nature longs to see But we only see his reflection in the trees

Maranatha... come quickly Lord Jesus!

by Calvin Bergsma

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-24   10:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: Dead Culture Watch, VxH (#170)

Tell me how someone assumes dominion over another's faith? You just throw pompous words out there, but it's obvious there is no depth of thought behind anything you post, just tripe you repackage over and over, all of it designed to get under someone's skin.

I can appreciate a good troll, but your act is getting old.

Oh, that's gonna leave a mark.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-24   11:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: Liberator, Dead Culture Watch (#186) (Edited)

Tell me how someone assumes dominion over another's faith?

Well for example the "assumption" that anyone who dares contradict the Church's dogmatic opinions on the orbits of celestial bodies, is a heretic - for example.

How'd that work out for Copernicus' ideas, and those who dared to articulate them in defiance of the state-established sun-parrots, again?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-24   11:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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