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Title: Children raised by gay couples thank Dolce & Gabbana for supporting traditional marriage amidst Elton John’s boycott
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c ... edium=email&utm_term=0_0caba61
Published: Mar 20, 2015
Author: Thaddeus Baklinski
Post Date: 2015-03-20 23:35:25 by redleghunter
Keywords: None
Views: 41936
Comments: 187

March 20, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) - Six Americans raised by homosexual parents sent a letter of support thanking openly gay fashion legends Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana for their recent remarks defending the traditional family.

Gay activists, spearheaded by singer Elton John, have condemned the pair and urged a boycott of their fashion line after they told the Italian magazine Panorama that they oppose gay “marriage” and adoption, find in vitro fertilization unnatural, believe procreation “must be an act of love,” and that “the only family is the traditional one.”

The letter, published in Tempi this week, says the six signatories – five women and one man – "want to thank you for giving voice to something that we learned by experience: Every human being has a mother and a father, and to cut either from a child’s life is to rob the child of dignity, humanity, and equality."

"We know that you will come under tremendous pressure, especially now when both Italy and the United States are being pushed to override our concerns for our rights to a mom and dad, in order to please a powerful gay lobby," the group said.

They explained that it was their experience that, "Nobody receives more vicious attacks from the lobby than those who come from the gay community and question its policies: children of gay couples just as much as the gay men who defend them (like the two of you).

"You have shown yourselves to be extremely brave. You have given us great inspiration as all six of us prepare to submit letters to the US Supreme Court against gay marriage."

"We want to praise your courage and thank you for your inspiration," the signatories said, and implored Dolce and Gabbana "not to surrender when the backlash grows in intensity."

"If you back down from what you said and apologize," the group concluded, "it will leave the children of gay homes even more vulnerable and discredited. It is important for our sake, for the sake of Italian children as well, that you not apologize or capitulate. Please support the idea that all children need to be bonded with their mothers and fathers. It is a human right."

"It's not us who invented the family," Dolce said in the recent interview in Italy’s Panorama magazine. "You are born and you have a mother and a father.

"Or at least it should be so, that's why I'm skeptical about what I call the sons of the chemistry, synthetic children, wombs for rent, seeds chosen by a catalog. And then, let's go to these children and explain them who is their mother. Would you ever accept to be a daughter of the chemistry? Procreation needs to be an act of love."

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#92. To: VxH (#88)

No I like all of our founders. Thomas Jefferson included. I just don't bow down and lick his boots.

Stop worshipping man, worship God.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   18:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: redleghunter (#92)
(Edited)

They don't know so put both.


Says Fallible and Uninspired ewe.


Meanwhile:

Franklin formulated a presentation of his beliefs and published it in 1728.[121] It did not mention many of the Puritan ideas as regards belief in salvation, the divinity of Jesus, and indeed most religious dogma. He clarified himself as a deist in his 1771 autobiography,[122] although he still considered himself a Christian.[123] He retained a strong faith in a God as the wellspring of morality and goodness in man, and as a Providential actor in history responsible for American independence.[124]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


Stop worshipping man, worship God.

I'll worship my Creator as He and my free minded American faith inspires, not as you and your fellow Fallible and Uninspired, Zionist, Walltardian, religiously appokeelypsical parrots would dictate.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   18:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: redleghunter (#81) (Edited)

Divine Providence is not a deist term.

And yet, your opinion didn't seem to preclude Frankin from asserting the contrary:

Benjamin Franklin wrote in his autobiography, "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist. My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of them having afterwards wrong'd me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith's conduct towards me (who was another freethinker) and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, tho' it might be true, was not very useful."[50][51] Franklin also wrote that "the Deity sometimes interferes by his particular Providence, and sets aside the Events which would otherwise have been produc'd in the Course of Nature, or by the Free Agency of Man.[52] He later stated, in the Constitutional Convention, that "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men."[53]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

 

Is cleaning the parrot guano off the pulpit included in your fee, or is there an occult charge for that?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-22   20:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: VxH (#94)

He later stated, in the Constitutional Convention, that "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men."[53

The above is not a tenant of deism. Nor is your testimony of Trinitarian belief.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-22   21:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: VxH, redleghunter, A K A Stone, nativist nationalist (#65)

"...The fact that human sexual morphology begins with female characteristics raises obvious questions with Biblical creation mythology."

HUH?? You can you be any more totally and monumentally beyond help?

Having perused this thread, the brakes slammed several times...to chuckle and shake my head. Just stunning.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   2:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: VxH, redleghunter (#94)

Is cleaning the parrot guano off the pulpit included in your fee, or is there an occult charge for that?

That depends -- have you completed your Golden Calf in the image of Thomas Jefferson? Are you quite done splattering load after load of horse dung onto this thread? If so, we can finally remove the circus elephants and clown car and call in the HAZMAT crew.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   3:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#96)

HUH??

A typical response to be expected from a religiously petrified Idiot.

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

That's right super genius, sans testosterone and other Androgen hormones, XY individuals present the external appearance of FEMALE genetalia. Of course, lacking a womb, these individuals are reproductively sterile.

When caught early enough, however, the administration of androgen hormones has allowed the afflicted individuals to mature into relatively normal human males.

Now once again I'll ask - how do you explain that FACT using Genesis' creation myth?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: redleghunter (#95)

The above is not a tenant of BLAH BLAH BLAH

Nor is your testimony of BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Meanwhile, YOU present a bleating example of the state-established parasites " WHO BEING FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED MEN HAVE ASSUMED DOMINION OVER THE FAITH OF OTHERS, SETTING UP THEIR OPINIONS AND MODES OF THINKING AS THE ONLY TRUE AND INFALLIBLE".

NO SALE.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: VxH, liberator (#98)

Now once again I'll ask - how do you explain that FACT using Genesis' creation myth?

Well we know it is not by chance. It that be the case all chance would be 50/50 as that is roughly the breakdown of the sexes on earth.

So the coveted 'chance' is out.

Answer:

"“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you;"---God

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: VxH (#99)

He later stated, in the Constitutional Convention, that "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men."[53 The above is not a tenant of deism. Nor is your testimony of Trinitarian belief.

Just in case some are playing the game at home above is what I responded to.

This was your answer:

The above is not a tenant of BLAH BLAH BLAH Nor is your testimony of BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Shame on you. My 10 year old knows better and has better manners.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: redleghunter (#100) (Edited)

It that be the case all chance would be 50/50 as that is roughly the breakdown of the sexes on earth.

It that be?

LOL.

So did Adam have female genitals before or after your myth formed him out of the mud?

Where did Eve come from again, allegedly?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: VxH (#102)

That would be "If."

No, as God formed man from the dust of the earth.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: redleghunter (#103)

No, as God formed man from the dust of the earth.

Did he form man with female genitals?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: redleghunter (#101) (Edited)

My 10 year old knows better and has better manners.

Are you raising them to be a Fallible and Uninspired religious goon in your own image?

Do they know why/how male genitals are formed any better than you do?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: VxH (#99)

WHO BEING FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED MEN HAVE ASSUMED DOMINION OVER THE FAITH OF OTHERS,

I have dominion over your faith. My faith is better then yours. Your faith is as a pile of cat shit with flies on it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   12:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: VxH (#104)

Did he form man with female genitals?

No because he was called Adam...Man.

What the original man and woman have to do with following procreation is irrelevant to your assertion.

Your ridiculous assertion would lead to "was Adam ever a sperm cell." That's just plain stupid and you know it.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: A K A Stone (#106) (Edited)

I have dominion over your faith. My faith is better then yours. Your faith is as a pile of cat shit with flies on it.

Ah, that's the Spirit. And you are welcome to your opinion.

But fortunately, thanks to folks like Thomas Jefferson, that opinion doesn't have the backing of state-established coercive powers.

So, when the folks at the Mayo Clinic publish their facts regarding the effect of Androgen hormones in the manifestation of male genetalia, they don't have to worry about being chased around the countryside by some caeSARean inquisitor.

Isn't that nice?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: redleghunter (#107) (Edited)

No because he was called Adam...Man.

And yet his sons, and their sons, and etc... had genitalia that only present themselves with male form in the presence of Androgen hormones.

Otherwise, they'd have been born as female appearing... wait for it... EUNUCHS.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: VxH (#105)

Are you raising them to be a Fallible and Uninspired religious goon in your own image?

Do they know why/how male genitals are formed any better than you do?

They are being raised as Christians. By word and example.

You know I'm sure my boys have this figured out more than you do. They have raised farm animals and know the difference between 'boys' and 'girls.' I know it is a tough concept these days but spend some time on a farm and it becomes quite clear.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   12:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: redleghunter (#110) (Edited)

You know I'm sure my boys have this figured out more than you do.

Have they figured out the only reason they have a penis and scrotum is because of the effects of Androgen hormones?

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

 

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   12:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: VxH (#109)

And yet his sons, and their sons, and etc... had genitalia that only present themselves with male form in the presence of Androgen hormones.

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you;---God

The Potter is still involved in the clay. God is Sovereign.

Or to put it more in terms all may be able to grasp. When the round comes out of the breech, it is intended to be that way.

You have a eunuch fetish.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: VxH (#108)

Ah, that's the Spirit. And you are welcome to your opinion.

But fortunately, thanks to folks like Thomas Jefferson, that opinion doesn't have the backing of state-established coercive powers.

So, when the folks at the Mayo Clinic publish their facts regarding the effect of Androgen hormones in the manifestation of male genetalia, they don't have to worry about being chased around the countryside by some caeSARean inquisitor.

Isn't that nice?

You could also take a dull knife to your genitals. Then you'd be a female right?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: redleghunter (#112) (Edited)

You have a eunuch fetish.

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

No I have a Truth fetish.

Are your offspring aware that they'd have female appearing genitalia if it weren't for the effects of Androgen hormones? 

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: redleghunter (#112) (Edited)

God is Sovereign.

Yeah that's what your religiously petrified state-establishing brethren in ISIS assert too when they're raping the Yezidi "devil" worshippers.

Idiots all.

NO SALE.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:07:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: VxH (#108)

So basically you are saying. You don't have a right to live. Got ya.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: redleghunter (#112)

Do you believe that VxH has anything to offer those of us who seek the truth.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should pull up the welcome mat.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: A K A Stone (#116)

So basically you are saying. You don't have a right to live. Got ya.

Do Americans have the right to pursue the Truth sans state-established coercion?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:09:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: VxH (#118)

Do Americans have the right to pursue the Truth

Of course they do.

But you don't have a right to peddle fabrications here.

You're permitted to do that for shits and giggles at the moment.

But you are starting to bore me, and others I'm sure.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: VxH (#111)

Have they figured out the only reason they have a penis and scrotum is because of the effects of Androgen hormones?

They fully understand procreation and all it's phases. To be an effective future breeder of cattle this knowledge is a must at a young age in FFA.

They know that when a sow gives birth the litter will have a certain percentage of male/female ratio.

This is not hard really.

How this confirms evolution over creation has no bearing. In fact, such an act shows more divine intervention than chance.

But you are way off. At conception the sex of the embryo is determined. The sperm cell either has an X or Y chromosome. About 4 months later (humans) the sexual organs under go sexual differentiation based on the XX or XY sequence.

You are looking for more than there is to this complex, yet clear chain of events.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#119) (Edited)

But you don't have a right to peddle fabrications here.

"Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

In males, a region on the Y chromosome triggers the development of testicles, which produce male hormones. Male genitals develop in response to male hormones from the fetal testicles. In a fetus without a Y chromosome — without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female."

www.mayoclinic.org/diseas...asics/causes/con-20026345

 

 


without the effects of male hormones — the genitals develop as female.

 

Is that a fabrication? 

IIRC it was a biological FACT being taught in an Animal Behavior course at the LCMS' Concordia Seward facility circa 1983. 

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: VxH (#121)

Is that a fabrication?

Probably not. That is not what I am talking about though. I'm talking about trolling peoples faith.

Your points about some therapy changing the sex or appearing to change the sex. Doesn't matter concerning if God created us or not.

You can always play mad scientist and screw with people.

Your point is irrelevant to the discussion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-23   13:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: VxH (#111)

Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones.

Ok Mr. Science tell me which chromosome sequence produces the hormones for male genitals?

That would be the XY at conception. The XX, also, later produce the female hormones.

You are hung up on birth defects in utero. It happens and those who are born with them must have our compassion and care.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: VxH, A K A Stone (#114)

Are your offspring aware that they'd have female appearing genitalia if it weren't for the effects of Androgen hormones?

LOL. If both my sons had XX chromosomes at conception they would be girls. Welcome to procreation 101.

You are starting to convince me sex education needs to be in public schools.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: VxH (#115)

God is Sovereign.

And here you professed belief in the Christ of the Bible being truly God and truly Man.

If the above is not the sovereign design of God, then what is your view?

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: redleghunter (#120)

About 4 months later (humans) the sexual organs under go sexual differentiation based on the XX or XY sequence.

And yet without Androgen, or with Insensitivity to Androgen - the genitalia don't undergo that differentiation, do they.

Thus, XY individuals afflicted with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome present an external FEMALE appearance.

For Example:

Woman born with no womb gives birth to miracle twins

Hayley Haynes, who was born with no reproductive organs, has given birth to twins after specialist treatment to grow a womb

She said she had no idea she was different when she was growing up but began to grow concerned when she had not started her periods by the age of 19, despite going through other signs of puberty.

Following months of hospital trips and blood tests, specialists told her she had been born with XY chromosomes, meaning she was genetically male. She had no reproductive organs thanks to a condition called androgen insensitivity syndrome.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11381463/Woman-born-with-no-womb-gives-birth-to-miracle-twins.html

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: A K A Stone, VxH (#117)

Do you believe that VxH has anything to offer those of us who seek the truth.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should pull up the welcome mat.

He had a moment of clarity yesterday. Took three years but it happened. Stoke the fires and the wormwood and maybe we will get more:)

I have no problem helping grown men learn about basic procreation (sex ed). We might get a few more kiddos born to this country if we do; instead of people discarding them.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: VxH, redleghunter (#114)

I have a Truth fetish.

Is it true that in your alleged mind, Thomas Jefferson's pseudonym is "God"?

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession for worshiping false idols and necromancy.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: redleghunter (#124)

If both my sons had XX chromosomes at conception they would be girls. Welcome to procreation 101.

If they were XY and either produced no androgen hormones or were Androgen Insensitive -- what would they APPEAR to be?

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: redleghunter (#125)

then what is your view?

My view is I'm an infidel who enjoys America's protections against state-established religious coercion.

VxH  posted on  2015-03-23   13:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: VxH (#115)

God is Sovereign.

Yeah that's what your religiously petrified state-establishing brethren in ISIS assert too when they're raping the Yezidi "devil" worshippers.

So now you claim those who worship the God of Abraham are worshiping the same "god" as Muslims -- Allah, the satanic Moon God?

Pick up your garbage can and medication, get up, and head straight to the nurses office. (We'll call an ambulance, Mommy and Daddy AND your psychiatrist.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-23   13:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone (#126)

And yet without Androgen, or with Insensitivity to Androgen - the genitalia don't undergo that differentiation, do they.

A birth defect. A test for us to be compassionate, kind and supportive.

Has bunk to do with evolution vs. creation.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-23   13:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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