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Title: Video Shows this Cop Shooting at Minivan Full of Children, How is He Still a Cop?
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/vi ... oot-minivan-full-children-cop/
Published: Mar 18, 2015
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2015-03-19 07:39:39 by Deckard
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Views: 5506
Comments: 48
Taos County, NM — In 2013, a mother and her children feared for their lives when a stop for a speeding ticket turned into much more. Oriana Farrell, 39, of Memphis, was bringing her children across the country on a family road trip, when things took a turn for the worse. After Farrell had been given a citation, she decided to drive away from police. Several short chases then followed, before one of the cops, Elias Montoya, unloaded his pistol into the minivan as it drove off. Common sense prevailed, for a short time, and Montoya was fired from his job as a New Mexico State Trooper. However, he was just rehired with the Taos County Sheriff’s Department as a deputy. According to Taos Co, Sheriff Jerry Hogrefe, Montoya was chosen from 17 different applicants to fill just one of two available positions. Did the other sixteen applicants actually kill children? Is that why a person who shot at children was hired? Insidiously enough, after the incident got swept under the rug, the State Troopers actually tried to hire Montoya back, but he refused. Apparently Sheriff Hogrefe thinks that shooting at a van full of children is just fine and dandy and has stated that Montoya has a clean record. “Nothing from DPS [or] the training academy pertaining to his certification or qualifications…so he has a clean work history,” Hogrefe said. According KOB, the sheriff defended Montoya’s actions in the dash cam video, saying Montoya didn’t know there were kids in the van and that he believed the driver had a gun. “I cannot fault anyone for making a split-second decision,” Hogrefe said. According to Montoya’s new boss, shooting innocent until proven guilty people in the back as they flee is justifiable, as it was a “split-second decision.” Seems like Montoya will fit right in. Below is the raw video from the original incident.
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#8. To: GrandIsland (#7)
Cops are a dime a dozen morons. Fire him. Tell all the Goofball dummy cops they are being watched too.
And when the ticket recipient gets his ticket in the mail, and he pleads not guilty BECAUSE HE WASNT DRIVING AS A DEFENSE... how does the DA prove, at a trial, beyond all certainty, that the registered owner, was in fact, driving at the time of the offense, Einstein? There is a reason vehicles are stopped, and drivers are asked to produce a PHOTO DRIVERS LICENSE... your anarchic suggestion was the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Because it's against the law? Besides, I bet the cops find a lot of outstanding warrants for crimes far worse than speeding. Don't you want those people off the street? "Bill the license plate holder." Change the law. But I won't vote for it. I don't want a speeding ticket in the mail from four months ago telling me I was doing 60 in a 50 and please send in $198.
It was justified. The occupants of the car assaulted the police officer and fled. The shooter didn't know kids were in the car and couldn't assume there were kids in the car. Who a) assaults a police officer and b) speeds away with kids in the car? But there was a case of reckless endangerment. Against the driver.
an owner is responsible for their vehicle.
During the assault... yes, shooting an unarmed thug because his physical assault could mean taking your gun, resulting in your death... can be justified. See Missouri Vs Brown... Haaaaaa. Shooting as they FLEE is reckless and not justified per Tennessee Vs Garner. Case law... it's a bitch.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
No he's not... the driver is responsible for traffic violations caused with the vehicle. The driver gets ticketed, not the vehicle or the vehicle owner. The owner can't be guilty of SPEEDING if he wasn't driving. You say the most ignorant crap I've ever heard. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Well, if guns kill people, then cars break the law. Its pretty simple, in an astoundingly ignorant way.
Neither is true unless you're a libturd... and yes, Pericles is astoundingly ignorant.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
"... unless necessary to prevent the escape, and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others." After assaulting the officer (a violent felony), they fled in a vehicle, posing a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to other officers or other civilians.
That's stretching it a bit. A reasonable officer should have assumed they were fleeing because they're ignorant inner city animals and they aren't functional enough to live in a society based on law and order. Not that they were gonna run people over in a rage. Her actions screamed from start to finish... I'm gonna leave so you can't ticket me. In her warped mind, that should work. lol I'll tell ya what, I wouldn't risk a grand jury based on his decision to shoot. Screw tgat. I'll pursue the vehicle and stop it with stop sticks to deflate the tires and defuse her dysfunctional actions. I'll tell you the same thing I tell tpaine. That officer polices in the freest country in this universe. He's free to be as reckless as he's willing to gamble at grand jury time. Use excessive force at your own risk.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You're my hero.
Maybe for this thread. Tomorrow you'll hate me like the devil. But it's all good
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
"Bill the license plate holder." Change the law. But I won't vote for it. I don't want a speeding ticket in the mail from four months ago telling me I was doing 60 in a 50 and please send in $198. At this point in time, speeding tickets are like pay booths - not worth the trouble. Keep cops around for crimes that are serious enough to jail someone not revenue enhancements.
This is a FTP yellow journalistic lie. She left prior to receiving the ticket. You should have to pay Stone 50.00 every time you post an article that is bias and misleading.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Since when did you decide police procedure for the entire country... and why did no department get your memo?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
No, Pericles doesn't want anyone punished unless they kill someone... everything else is just "mean" or money grabbing. Classic KILLary Clinton level libtard.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
True. The driver could be someone's housekeeper (probably illegal) making a grocery run.
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)
Mine too. I hang onto and bookmark every piece of advice that Capt' Obvious posts.
In the video, the cop says at the start that she was going 71mph in a 55mph zone. That's pretty reckless, especially with kids on board. 7-10mph over the limit is speeding. 15+mph over the limit is more than just speeding. I'm surprised no one is commenting on Montoya trying to shoot out her rear tire as she fled.
Perhaps this conversation should be referred to an unarmed, Black, Starbucks barista?
No, Pericles doesn't want anyone punished unless they kill someone... everything else is just "mean" or money grabbing. Classic KILLary Clinton level libtard. I know Americans are stupid - but one more time - the police should only get involved if it is for an arrestable offense - as I wrote above. If all that was to hand out a ticket and not take the driver/car off the road then it is a waste of time.
The driver could have been loaded and an officer has no idea unless they stop the speeding vehicle and evaluate the driver. Also operating a MV w/o insurance is an unclassified misdemeanor in many states. Again, only by stopping the vehicle can this be determined.
I did. I stated it was unjustified because it was reckless and since there was no longer an immediate threat towards an officer (because they were fleeing), it was not necessary.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Well said. Just be aware, Pericles will be no smarter after he/she reads your post than before.... but TY anyway.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Not to mention it was pathetic his potbelly was stuffed so full of donuts that he couldn't crouch properly to actually shoot out the tire. Three shots from that close and he couldn't hit the tire? If he hadn't been hiding behind the van from the angry 14yo, he could have stood at the side of the van and then even he couldn't have missed the tire.
All the excitement causes stupidity.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
According KOB, the sheriff defended Montoya’s actions in the dash cam video, saying Montoya didn’t know there were kids in the van and that he believed the driver had a gun. “I cannot fault anyone for making a split-second decision,” Hogrefe said. This video proves, without a shred of doubt, this rogue cop is a bald-faced, psychopathic, LIAR!
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
It is a primitive system - you can link insurance to the driver's license like they do in Europe taking the guess work out.
So in the case of a freshly stolen car, one where no report has yet been made to the police, an officer should scan the license plate of the speeding vehicle and issue a ticket, electronically, to the crime victim ignoring completely the occupant of the car? Also, you haven't addressed the matter of DUI & traffic stops for violations of the MV law. Speeding is a common offense for intoxicated drivers and an officer doesn't know who is intoxicated w/o stopping said vehicle.
Farrell was later released on bond and faces charges of child abuse, fleeing and misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia for a pair of marijuana pipes that authorities say were in the van. Farrell has since said she was protecting her children. (officer) Elias Montoya later bought the entire family food from McDonald's during the booking process, according to a police report. "If I knew that there was even one child in that vehicle," he said, "I wouldn't have done it." http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-heart-sank-realizing-shots-fired-minivan- full/story?id=21567684 ************************** 'Mom in van video a rap artist, home-schooler' one it." ABQnews Seeker New Mexico News By Mark Oswald / Journal Staff Writer UPDATED: Friday, November 22, 2013 at 12:06 am PUBLISHED: Thursday, November 21, 2013 at 12:05 am http://www.abqjournal.com/305236/news/van-mom-a-rapper-homeschooler.html Except for the *title and URL*, this article was scrubbed. Subscription Required!
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
Ok, one more time - a DUI is an arrestable offense - and a drunk is not controlling his car - not just speeding. Speeding is just speeding. In Germany there are no speed limits so this supposed safety factor is BS - slowing down endangers lives on highways as does pulling cars over for speeding or not having a working tail light of other non arrestable offenses.
This wasn't germany... and USA will never be Germany. I've stopped over 25,000 cars... never caused and accident doing so. How many cars have you pulled over to back your claims that V&T stops are traffic hazards?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
A speeder is stopped because it is often the indicator of something more serious, be that a crime, medical condition, etc. Using your logic a car speeding away from a crime scene, a crime unknown to the police at the time, wouldn't be stopped but rather issued some type of electronic citation. This is absurd on it's face for reasons already explained, but ignored. Same goes for an acute medical condition. The number of babies born in the back seat of a police car are too numerous to list, as are people who are rendered CPR. You're amusing in a sad kinda way.
It wasn't. "All that" happened because the officer was assaulted and the driver sped off. If you're simply going to mail out a speeding ticket, how do you know the driver of the car is the owner of the car? How do you know if the driver has a valid license? Is the driver insured? Is the car registered with the state? Is the driver speeding because he's drunk or impaired? Is the driver speeding away from a crime? Is the driver actually in trouble and trying to draw the attention of police?
All concepts beyond the ability to comprehend by a socialist-anarchist.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
And more often than not it is just a lead foot. Sorry, society won't collapse if police reduce pull overs.
Americans need a police state or it all falls apart? Spare us the fear mongering.
That's your conclusion from my post? Writing speeding tickets is advocating for a police state?
Said the delusional soul who'd be quick to hire the law firm of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe if a reckless driver injured you and/or your family.
Your definition of a "police state" IS FEAR MONGERING. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
#9. To: Pericles (#5)
Why disrupt traffic for a speeding ticket? Bill the license plate holder.
#10. To: Pericles (#5)
"Why disrupt traffic for a speeding ticket?"
#11. To: GrandIsland (#7)
(Edited)
"First, shooting at the car was not justified... it should result in the officers termination and be charged if that state has a written law like reckless endangerment."
#12. To: GrandIsland (#9)
And when the ticket recipient gets his ticket in the mail, and he pleads not guilty BECAUSE HE WASNT DRIVING AS A DEFENSE... how does the DA prove, at a trial, beyond all certainty, that the registered owner, was in fact, driving at the time of the offense, Einstein?
#13. To: misterwhite (#11)
(Edited)
It was justified. The occupants of the car assaulted the police officer and fled.
#14. To: Pericles (#12)
an owner is responsible for their vehicle.
#15. To: GrandIsland (#14)
#16. To: Dead Culture Watch (#15)
Well, if guns kill people, then cars break the law.
#17. To: GrandIsland (#13)
"Shooting as they FLEE is reckless and not justified per Tennessee Vs Garner ..."
#18. To: misterwhite (#17)
(Edited)
After assaulting the officer (a violent felony), they fled in a vehicle, posing a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to other officers or other civilians.
#19. To: GrandIsland (#18)
I'll pursue the vehicle and stop it with stop sticks to deflate the tires and defuse her dysfunctional actions.
#20. To: Fred Mertz (#19)
You're my hero.
#21. To: misterwhite (#10)
(Edited)
Why disrupt traffic for a speeding ticket?" Because it's against the law? Besides, I bet the cops find a lot of outstanding warrants for crimes far worse than speeding. Don't you want those people off the street?
#22. To: Deckard (#0)
After Farrell had been given a citation, she decided to drive away from police. Several short chases then followed, before one of the cops, Elias Montoya, unloaded his pistol into the minivan as it drove off.
#23. To: Pericles (#21)
At this point in time, speeding tickets are like pay booths - not worth the trouble.
#24. To: misterwhite, Pericles (#10)
Because it's against the law? Besides, I bet the cops find a lot of outstanding warrants for crimes far worse than speeding. Don't you want those people off the street?
#25. To: GrandIsland (#9)
how does the DA prove, at a trial, beyond all certainty, that the registered owner, was in fact, driving at the time of the offense, Einstein?
#26. To: Fred Mertz, Y'ALL, Capt' Obvious (#19)
I'll tell you the same thing I tell tpaine. That officer polices in the freest country in this universe. He's free to be as reckless as he's willing to gamble at grand jury time. Use excessive force at your own risk. --- GrandIsland
You're my hero. ---- Fred Mertz posted
#27. To: Pericles, Fred Mertz, GrandIsland (#5)
Police should only pull people over if they are driving unsafely - and by unsafe I mean they need to stop them from driving and arrest them. Driving offenses that require just a ticket should not result in being pulled over any more.
#28. To: Deckard (#0)
#29. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#24)
Because it's against the law? Besides, I bet the cops find a lot of outstanding warrants for crimes far worse than speeding. Don't you want those people off the street?
#30. To: Pericles (#29)
the police should only get involved if it is for an arrestable offense - as I wrote above. If all that was to hand out a ticket and not take the driver/car off the road then it is a waste of time
#31. To: TooConservative (#27)
I'm surprised no one is commenting on Montoya trying to shoot out her rear tire as she fled.
#32. To: Percy Misanthrope (#30)
he driver could have been loaded and an officer has no idea unless they stop the speeding vehicle and evaluate the driver. Also operating a MV w/o insurance is an unclassified misdemeanor in many states. Again, only by stopping the vehicle can this be determined.
#33. To: GrandIsland (#31)
I did. I stated it was unjustified because it was reckless and since there was no longer an immediate threat towards an officer (because they were fleeing), it was not necessary.
#34. To: TooConservative (#33)
#35. To: Deckard, ALL (#0)
"In 2013, a mother and her children feared for their lives when a stop for a speeding ticket turned into much more. Oriana Farrell, 39, of Memphis, was bringing her children across the country on a family road trip, when things took a turn for the worse".
#36. To: Percy Misanthrope (#30)
The driver could have been loaded and an officer has no idea unless they stop the speeding vehicle and evaluate the driver. Also operating a MV w/o insurance is an unclassified misdemeanor in many states. Again, only by stopping the vehicle can this be determined.
#37. To: Pericles (#36)
#38. To: Deckard (#0)
FWIW!
#39. To: Percy Misanthrope (#37)
(Edited)
#40. To: Pericles (#39)
In Germany there are no speed limits
#41. To: Pericles (#39)
Speeding is just speeding.
#42. To: Pericles (#29)
"If all that was to hand out a ticket ..."
#43. To: misterwhite (#42)
you're simply going to mail out a speeding ticket, how do you know the driver of the car is the owner of the car? How do you know if the driver has a valid license? Is the driver insured? Is the car registered with the state? Is the driver speeding because he's drunk or impaired? Is the driver speeding away from a crime? Is the driver actually in trouble and trying to draw the attention of police?
#44. To: Percy Misanthrope (#41)
A speeder is stopped because it is often the indicator of something more serious, be that a crime, medical condition, etc.
#45. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#43)
#46. To: Pericles (#45)
"Americans need a police state or it all falls apart?"
#47. To: Pericles (#44)
#48. To: Pericles (#45)
police state or it all falls apart? Spare us the fear mongering.
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