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Title: The New Nuremberg Defense
Source: Liberty Legal Foundation
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Published: Mar 18, 2015
Author: Van Iron
Post Date: 2015-03-18 19:00:17 by tpaine
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The New Nuremberg Defense

Liberty Legal Foundation ^ | 27 April 2012 | Van Iron

A large part of Liberty Legal Foundation’s mission has become, by necessity, educating citizens and politicians alike about the foundational tenets of our Constitutional republic. America’s public school system has apparently been failing us for so long that we now have Congressmen and State legislators that don’t understand the basics about our form of government. This week I witnessed yet more proof of this fact.

This week the Tennessee legislature unanimously passed a bill that seemed to be blatantly unconstitutional. When constituents e-mailed their state senators asking why they voted for the bill, the responses were very revealing. One Senator responded by saying “Legislation is only unconstitutional when the high court deems it so.” Another Senator replied to the allegation that he voted for an unconstitutional bill by saying, “Then I am sure it will be struck down in court.” Both of these statements reflect a shocking disregard for the Constitution, for the Senators’ oaths of office, and for the rights of their constituents. Naturally, we could not let such statements go unanswered. Read our response HERE.

Unfortunately, my experience tells me that these statements reflect the attitude of most members of Congress and of the 50 state legislatures. This attitude, however, is not entirely the fault of our so-called “representatives.” Since the War Between the States, Americans have been taught that the judicial branch of government is the only branch that can determine whether or not a particular law is constitutional. This is simply not true. Every member of all three branches of government has an obligation to follow the Constitution. The judicial branch may have the right make final decisions when a dispute arises over real-world application of the Constitution, but this does not mean that an act of government can’t possibly violate the Constitution until a court says so. It also does not mean that members of the executive and legislative branch have no obligation to consider the constitutionality of their actions before they act. Both of these conclusions are illogical and demonstrably false. Yet they represent the attitude of most legislators from Nancy Pelosi to your local representatives, and most members of the executive branch from the President down to your local Sheriff.

Last fall U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, testifying before the Congressional Judiciary committee, confirmed that all Congressmen have a duty to follow the Constitution BEFORE passing a bill. Scalia explained that the Court gives deference to Congress because the Court assumes that individual Congressmen considered the Constitution before passing any legislation.

Just seven years ago the Tennessee Attorney General wrote an official and published opinion telling the Tennessee Legislature that “A legislator violates the oath of office…by voting for a bill or resolution that ‘appears’ to him or her to be ‘injurious to the people,’ or by consenting to ‘any act or thing…that shall have a tendency to abridge their rights and privileges’ under the Tennessee Constitution.” Tenn.Op.Atty.Gen.No. 05-106, 2005 WL 1839886. Apparently none of Tennessee’s Senators care whether they’re violating their oath of office.

The current attitude of most legislators also runs contrary to basic logic. If it were true that legislators had no duty to consider the constitutionality of their acts, there would be no need for them to take an oath to uphold the Constitution. If considering the Constitution was the sole responsibility of the courts, only the judicial branch would be required to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.

Assuming logic is too much to ask of our so-called leaders, lets apply common sense to their current attitude: If no law was unconstitutional until a court ruled it unconstitutional, then Congress could pass a law calling for the immediate killing of all Christians (for example). Apparently Tennessee’s Senators believe that such a law would be immediately enforceable, at least until the courts could sort it out. More to the point, these Senators apparently believe that they would have no duty to oppose such a law, at least not on constitutional grounds.

If you think my law-to-kill-all-Christians example is too outrageous, here’s one ripped from today’s headlines: a President could sign an executive order confiscating most private property in America, and that law should be enforced by your local Police and National Guard unit, at least until the courts rule it unconstitutional. Until recently America’s military and most law enforcement agencies taught their members the difference between a lawful and an unlawful order. They taught them that unlawful orders include any order that clearly violates the Constitution. They taught them that it is illegal for any of them to follow an unlawful orders. Our military and police used to be taught these things so that America could avoid the tragedies of Nazi Germany.

As the world collectively decided at the Nuremberg trials, claiming that “I was just following orders” is not a defense we will recognize when one violates the clear and undeniable rights of other human beings. Apparently the members of America’s legislative and executive branches have now convinced themselves that a variation of the Nuremberg defense will absolve them of any responsibility when they violate the clear rights of the people the were elected to represent. They’re now telling themselves, and us, that anything they do is OK, at least until a court says otherwise.

The false belief that only the judicial branch has a responsibility to consider the Constitution comes from a long-standing misunderstanding about the separation of powers between the three branches of our government. Early in our history the U.S. Supreme Court correctly pointed out that it has a duty to interpret the Constitution and apply its interpretations to the facts of cases brought before the Court. However, that is all it does. This does not mean that the judicial branch is the only branch that can interpret and apply the Constitution. It also does not mean that either of the other branches are required to agree with the Court. The other branches could, if they choose to do so, continue to operate as if the law was constitutional. The reason that this almost never happens is because the functional operations of the other two branches almost always require the willing cooperation of the judicial branch.

When the Supreme Court rules that a law violates the Constitution it is simply telling the other two branches that the judicial branch will not recognize that law. Since most laws cannot be enforced without the help of the judicial branch, and because people harmed by unconstitutional laws can get court orders prohibiting government agents from enforcing the unconstitutional law, the effect of the judicial branch ruling a law unconstitutional is to tie the hands of the other two branches as it relates to that law.

This may seem like splitting hairs, but it is a VERY important point that has been forgotten by most people running all three branches. This concept is at the core of the separation of powers. It is a recognition of where authority begins, to whom it flows, and how much authority is given to each branch. Many of the problems we see in our government today can be directly linked to the lost understanding of our separate and co-equal branches of government.

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The New Nuremberg Defense

Liberty Legal Foundation ^ | 27 April 2012 | Van Iron

A large part of Liberty Legal Foundation’s mission has become, by necessity, educating citizens and politicians alike about the foundational tenets of our Constitutional republic.

The correct name of the author is Van Irion, co-founder of The Liberty Legal Foundation which, with Van Irion as its attorney, brought a class action lawsuit against the National Democratic Party, the DNC, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

The Court dismissed the suit and ordered sanctions against the plaintiffs. One of the memorable and humorous aspects of this birther lawsuit was that it was brought against the non-existent National Democratic Party of the USA, Inc. Later, the NDC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz were added.

There is nothing quite as persuasive as citing a court-sanctioned birther lawyer as authority.

The 2012 article may be copped from FR (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877121/posts where the misspelling of the author's name also appears.

The original article was at what now appears as a dead link.

http://libertylegalfoundation.org/1898/the-new-nuremberg-defense/ [dead link]

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Van Irion, Liberty Legal Foundation, Doc 11, 2nd AMENDED CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF

Van Irion
Liberty Legal Foundation
9040 Executive Park Dr., Ste. 200
Knoxville, TN 37923
(423) 208-9953
van@libertylegalfoundation.com
Attorney for Plaintiffs

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA

LIBERTY LEGAL FOUNDATION;
JOHN DUMMETT;
LEONARD VOLODARSKY;
CREG MARONEY,
Plaintiffs

v.

NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY
of the USA, Inc.;
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ,
Defendants

Judge: Bolton
CASE NO: 2:11-cv-02089

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/420942-andersonorder.html

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/420942/andersonorder.pdf

Van Irion, Liberty Legal Foundation, Doc 31, ORDER GRANTING DEFENDANTS' MOTION TO DISMISS

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/420922-sanctions-order.html

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/420922/sanctions-order.pdf

Van Irion, Liberty Legal Foundation, ORDER GRANTING IN PART, DENYING IN PART DEFENDANTS' MOTION FOR SANCTIONS

"Among other things, Defendants contend that Plaintiff should have known that no entiry known as the National Democratic Party of the USA, Inc. is associated with any of the Defendants in this case."

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http://www.politifact.com/tennessee/statements/2012/sep/02/tennessee-democratic-party/birthers-sanctioned-federal-judge-frivolous-lawsui/

Birthers sanctioned by federal judge for ‘frivolous lawsuit,’ claims Tennessee Democratic Party

By Richard Locker on Sunday, September 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 a.m.

The "birthers" – people who contend President Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" and therefore ineligible to be President -- are back in the news, right here in Tennessee.

The Tennessee Democratic Party issued a press release Tuesday, just as the Republican National Convention was getting underway, noting that sanctions were imposed against the plaintiffs in a federal court lawsuit in Memphis that essentially sought to block Obama’s name from this year’s election ballot in Tennessee.

The lawsuit was dismissed by U.S. District Judge S. Thomas Anderson in Memphis on June 20 after he concluded that none of the plaintiffs had established sufficient legal standing to assert their claims.

On Aug. 24, Judge Anderson granted a motion by the defendants, including the Tennessee Democratic Party, to sanction the plaintiffs for bringing a case in which their attorney, Van Irion of Knoxville, "knew or reasonably should have known that the claims in this case had no basis in law," according to the judge’s order.

That order of sanctions was the subject of the party’s press release, which reported that not only had the judge dismissed a "birther" lawsuit but had sanctioned Irion "for bringing a frivolous lawsuit."

Irion is a Knoxville lawyer who, according to its website, co-founded Liberty Legal Foundation, which operates out of the same West Knoxville office suite as his law office. Irion is also listed as the foundation’s president and lead counsel. The website says the foundation has three big issues: "Obamacare," immigration and the President’s legal status as a citizen.

Liberty Legal and three plaintiffs – John Dummett, Leonard Volodarsky and Creg Maroney – originally filed a lawsuit in state court in Memphis against an entity called the National Democratic Party of the USA Inc. (which apparently doesn’t exist). Irion later added as defendants the Democratic National Committee, the Tennessee Democratic Party, U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (current chair of the Democratic National Committee) and state Democratic Party Chairman Chip Forrester.

Irion charged that the defendants violated state fraud statutes by falsely representing that Obama is qualified to be President, because he is not a natural-born citizen, and they should be blocked from filing papers with the secretary of state that will place his name on the Tennessee ballot.

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