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Cult Watch Title: Chuck Baldwin: This is so frustrating! (Franklin Graham - statist preaching) The Hitlerian "obey-the-government-no-matter-what" rubbish being disseminated by America's preachers is ubiquitous. The latest notable example is Franklin Graham. On his Facebook page on March 12, he said: "Listen up--Blacks, Whites, Latinos, and everybody else. Most police shootings can be avoided. It comes down to respect for authority and obedience. If a police officer tells you to stop, you stop. If a police officer tells you to put your hands in the air, you put your hands in the air. If a police officer tells you to lay down face first with your hands behind your back, you lay down face first with your hands behind your back. It’s as simple as that. Even if you think the police officer is wrong—YOU OBEY! "Parents, teach your children to respect and obey those in authority. Mr. President, this is the message our nation needs to hear, and they need to hear it from you. Some of the unnecessary shootings we have seen recently might have been avoided. The Bible says to submit to your leaders and those in authority “because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account.” Jeepers! Creepers! The scripture passage that Mr. Graham uses has nothing to do with unconditional subservience to a policeman, but humble submission to pastoral authority (See Heb. 13:7, 17). Does Mr. Graham really believe that church members are supposed to submit to their pastors regardless? Yeah, I'd like to see a pastor preach that one Sunday morning! Talk about taking the Bible out of context! Franklin Graham should know better. I suppose wives and children are to obey their husbands and fathers unconditionally as well? Or is it only government officials who have God-ordained tyrannical authority? Mr. Graham is an outspoken critic of Islam. I wonder if he would spew forth the above "YOU OBEY!" message if Sharia Law was the law of the land? Had he lived in Germany at the rise of the Third Reich, would he have spewed forth the same message? Or maybe in Stalin's Russia? And I suppose he would preach the "YOU OBEY" message to those suffering saints in Red China who are languishing in the gulags for preaching the Gospel or for operating non-state-licensed churches contrary to China's law enforcers. This constant and perpetual message of total submission to civil government "no matter what" that is pouring forth from our nation's pulpits is doing more to enslave America than anything any foreign enemy could ever hope to do. The real message that we need to hear from our pulpits today is that EVERYONE must obey the Natural, divine laws of God and the constitutional laws of our country--even policemen! Policemen and military personnel are NOT ABOVE THE LAW--GOD OR MAN'S! In order for us to respect law enforcers, they must act respectfully, which means THEY must respect both the law they represent and the citizens for whom they work. It takes more than a badge and a gun to earn respect. Yes, honest, God-fearing folks respect the POSITION held by law enforcement officers, but there can be no respect for those individuals who use the position of law enforcer to misuse and abuse the law! It's time that Franklin Graham, and the rest of America's preachers, start teaching the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD relative to good government. John the Baptist is a good example in this regard. He demanded that the law enforces of his day commit no violence...meaning no injustice, no abuse of authority, no false accusations, no using their power for self aggrandizement or career-building, etc. (Read Luke 3:14) Speaking of The Baptizer, I wonder if Franklin Graham would have told John, "YOU OBEY" King Herod and keep your mouth shut regarding the king's unlawful conduct? This is so frustrating!
Poster Comment: For one thing, when a man such as Jeremiah, Isaiah, Elijah, or Micaiah delivered a message, they were drowned out by the hundreds and thousands of the king’s prophets. In one way or another, these men were on the king’s dole. They received the king’s “faith-based initiative” monies. They were invited to the king’s banquets. They received the king’s tax exemptions. They were afforded the king’s perks and privileges. Therefore, it was not surprising that when a Jeremiah or Micaiah brought a message of judgment upon the land, he was drowned out in a cacophony of public rebuke by the king’s prophets. God’s prophets almost always stood ALONE. And amazingly enough, the same scenario is taking place again in what is now the American Empire. (America was established and built as a constitutional republic, but now it does not remotely resemble its heritage. It has, without a shadow of a doubt, taken the form of an unaccountable, might-makes-right-hegemonic empire.) The vast majority of America’s prophets (preachers, pastors, evangelists, etc.) are directly or indirectly in the employ of the government (king). A host of them are receiving federal tax dollars directly from the federal government in the form of “faith based initiative” monies. Do you think for one minute that these pastors are going to say a peep in protest about the unlawful, unconstitutional conduct routinely taking place by the federal government? Not a chance in Hades! As soon as someone goes on the public dole, for the most part, the government has successfully and thoroughly purchased their SILENCE. In the second place, the vast majority of pastors and churches have voluntarily placed themselves directly under the supervision and authority of the federal government by accepting the 501c3 non-profit organization status from the Internal Revenue Service. And by so doing, the vast majority of pastors and churches will consciously do or say NOTHING that could jeopardize that non-profit tax status. And, once again, the federal government has successfully and thoroughly purchased their SILENCE. Of course, the other problem we have in our pulpits today is the demonic interpretation associated with Romans 13. Every Sunday all across America, the king’s prophets (puppets would be a better word) are emphatically telling their congregations to obey the civil government “no-matter-what.” Every Sunday, there are hundreds of pastors regurgitating this demonic doctrine to their people. Without a doubt, America’s pastors are doing more to enslave our country than any foreign power. The egregious misinterpretation of Romans 13 is a blight that is turning the most courageous champions of freedom-loving Christian men the world had ever known to some of the most sheepish, pathetic, indifferent, and milquetoast wimps in the universe. And it is the devilish interpretation of Romans 13 that demands Christians obey civil authorities “no-matter-what” that is responsible for it. In order for us to respect law enforcers, they must act respectfully, which means THEY must respect both the law they represent and the citizens for whom they work. It takes more than a badge and a gun to earn respect. Yes, honest, God-fearing folks respect the POSITION held by law enforcement officers, but there can be no respect for those individuals who use the position of law enforcer to misuse and abuse the law! The Bible is replete with examples of God’s people who deliberately DISOBEYED civil government and received God’s supreme approbation. I wonder if America’s pastors are still teaching the stories of David and Daniel and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and practically every Old Testament prophet, including John The Baptist. I wonder if they are still retelling the stories (and explaining the significance of them for us today) of Simon Peter and the other apostles, including Paul, who spend about as much time in jail as out of jail for their defiance of civil authorities. And I further wonder if they have ever bothered to teach the life of Christ, which shows that He CONSTANTLY defied the authority of the Pharisees, who were acting as governing agents of the Roman Empire over Jerusalem and Judea. What America really needs to be hearing from our preachers today is the whole counsel of God related to the fact that EVERYONE, including those in law enforcement, the U.S. military, those in Congress, and even the President of the United States, are obligated to obey the Natural and moral laws of God and the Constitution of The United States, that NO ONE is above the law--not even policemen or soldiers.
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#1. To: hondo68, redleghunter, Vicomte13, BobCeleste (#0)
Romans 13 food fight ping. I'm more in agreement with Baldwin than Graham.
Baldwin may have a point. However when he fills up hundreds of planes and ships for relief efforts worldwide, then I will listen to him.
Planes and ships filled with relief efforts are not the only thing that Graham and his spawn have filled, they seem to do very well with filling their own coffers with money, do a little checking as to the fortune that they have been able to amass...
I would still estimate Franklin as far far more effective than his more famous father, both in actual evangelism and in charity.
And I bet that he is just as good at skimming about 90% off of the top for himself as his father was....
#11. To: westvalley (#10)
Billy was one of the first ministries that had full open books and accountability. The problem with Billy was his preaching and those stadium events, not with his finances. Franklin has practiced similar accountability in his charity. I don't think there has ever been a whiff of scandal over the Grahams' finances. The family property is pretty fancy but not wildly excessive the way other televangelist-conmen are, like the Bakkers or Swaggert or Osteen, etc..
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