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Title: Why GOP 'Insiders' Thwart Conservative Reformers
Source: Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... ervative-reformers_888858.html
Published: Mar 17, 2015
Author: Jay Cost
Post Date: 2015-03-17 09:56:49 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 11756
Comments: 67

Why GOP 'Insiders' Thwart Conservative Reformers
It's the political structure, stupid.

Tom Cotton’s letter to the Iranian regime has spurred furious blowback from liberals. They want the president to cut a deal with Iran, and Cotton’s letter gets in the way; thus, they’ve engaged in a specious fight over inter-branch protocol. Never mind that the president is looking to sign an agreement with an enemy without the advice and consent of the Senate. And never mind that Democrats have made similar overtures to foreign governments before.

It’s like that old lawyer’s adage: If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law, pound the law. If you have neither, pound the table. Tut-tutting over Cotton’s letter is a classic example of pounding the table.

Which is why this item from Friday’s Politico was so striking:

One-third of Republican insiders believe that Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton and his GOP colleagues — including several potential presidential candidates — crossed the line when they published an open letter to Iranian leaders warning about a possible nuclear deal….

“The GOP letter — while sound in substance — caused the debate to shift from the administration’s wrongheadedness to the GOP’s tactics,” said a New Hampshire Republican, who — like all 92 respondents this week — completed the survey anonymously in order to speak candidly. “That’s not helpful.”

It manifestly did not “cross the line,” as Steve Hayes’s editorial in this week’s WEEKLY STANDARD makes clear. What it did was rock the boat, which is something that a wide swath of Republican “insiders” never want to do.

This has been a persistent pattern. Conservatives come forward with bold proposals to reform the way government works -- or at least stop some egregious abuse -- and GOP insiders warn of dire consequences. We’ve seen that on the farm bill, on the Export-Import Bank, on the Paul Ryan budget plan, on executive amnesty, and now on Iran. Don’t make waves, they warn, lest we risk the majority!

But what is the point of a majority, if not to reform the government? That is the conservative attitude, at any rate, but there is a different view that, unfortunately, has wide purchase in quarters of the Republican party. It is the belief that the majority is a good thing because it means Republicans get to decide how the government pie gets sliced up. Upsetting the apple cart threatens the chairmanship of the Energy and Water Development Subcommittee of Appropriations, which simply cannot be risked under this view. Otherwise, Democrats will get to decide how all that tasty government cheese is allocated!

This is a very old view within the Republican party. In my new book, A Republic No More: Big Government and the Rise of American Political Corruption, I tell the story of how the Republican party got in tight with business interests looking for government rents. One particular anecdote is apt. The following is a letter from George Edmunds, a “liberal” (for the time) Republican who -- heaven forbid! -- actually wanted the railroads to pay back their government loans in a timely fashion. Enter James G. Blaine, the famous orator and party leader, to thwart the effort. Edmunds complained bitterly:

It is my opinion that Mr. Blaine acts as the attorney of Jay Gould (head of the Union Pacific railroad). Whenever (Senator Allen) Thurman and I have settled upon legislation to bring the Pacific railroads to terms of equity with the government, up has jumped James G. Blaine, musket in hand, from behind the breastworks of Gould’s lobby, to fire in our backs.

This is still a common occurrence in the Republican party. When conservatives try to reform government in ways that upend the established order, they end up getting undermined by  . . . Republicans.

What can we possibly do about this? Three things.

First, we have to stop focusing so relentlessly on the personalities of politicians. Edmunds and Blaine are long gone, after all -- yet the same dynamic persists. That suggests the problem has more to do with the rules of the game than with its players.

To that end, the second thing we need to do is reform Congress. Today, the institution is premised on a conflict of interest -- members of both parties trade public policy to the private groups that subsidize their campaigns and provide for their post-political careers. This lends itself inevitably to the don’t-rock-the-boat mentality, particularly when it has to do with corporate welfare like the Ex-Im Bank, corporate tax loopholes, or the farm bill.

Third, we have to reform the GOP nomination process, not just for the presidency but also the Congress. That’s the other end of the conflict of interest: politicians trade public policy because they believe (correctly) it will get them reelected. If we change the way those elections take place, we can change their incentives.

Don’t get me wrong. The Edmunds quote illustrates that this is an old problem within the GOP, and it admits of no easy solutions. But the only way to improve the Republican party, to make it truly a vehicle for a conservative reform agenda, is to change the rules by which it operates. Otherwise, our efforts to fix the government will be met with fire from our “friends,” straight into our backs.


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Jay Cost explains why the GOP elite is so cowardly and inclined toward Big Gov policies while spewing conservative platitudes. More importantly, he points out there is no reason why the GOP should be left in the hands of these people and why and how the GOP should be reformed to be more conservative in policy and law.

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#28. To: A Pole, misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#20) (Edited)

1% owns 99% is that the small ruling group owns the rest of population. Like in ancient Egypt or worse.

I find distressing (or amusing) when Christians - who label themselves as devout Christian fundamentalists - hold the exact opposite view on wealth Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, does.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   12:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pericles (#26)

"The BTK killer was a pillar of his community."

So corporations are also serial killers?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   12:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pericles (#26)

"Sociopaths do all these things also."

Hmmm. Goes against the definition, doesn't it?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   12:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pericles (#28)

I find distressing (or amusing) when Christians - who label themselves as devout Christian fundamentalists - hold the exact opposite view on wealth Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, does.

They are not Christians, they are hypocrites and wolves is sheepskins.

A Pole  posted on  2015-03-17   12:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite, A Pole (#29)

So corporations are also serial killers?

Sure. See slave dealing corporations - legal till 1865. See tobacco companies after they knew their product was killing people.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   12:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: misterwhite (#30) (Edited)

"Sociopaths do all these things also."

Hmmm. Goes against the definition, doesn't it?

Sociopaths act in ways to seem they are not sociopaths while being sociopaths.

Corporations that donate to charities while knowingly selling a defective prodict that kills people is one example.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   12:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: misterwhite, A Pole, TooConservative (#30)

You know, being sceptical of corporations is a right wing conservative- capitalist trait. Adam Smith was against corporations/critical of them.

When did corporation become "sainted" and defended as being the basis of capitalism?

http://livingeconomiesforum.org/Adam-Smith

When Corporations Rule the World

The Betrayal of Adam Smith - Excerpt

It is ironic that corporate libertarians regularly pay homage to Adam Smith as their intellectual patron saint, since it is obvious to even the most casual reader of his epic work The Wealth of Nations that Smith would have vigorously opposed most of their claims and policy positions. For example, corporate libertarians fervently oppose any restraint on corporate size or power. Smith, on the other hand, opposed any form of economic concentration on the ground that it distorts the market's natural ability to establish a price that provides a fair return on land, labor, and capital; to produce a satisfactory outcome for both buyers and sellers; and to optimally allocate society's resources.

Through trade agreements, corporate libertarians press governments to provide absolute protection for the intellectual property rights of corporations. Smith was strongly opposed to trade secrets as contrary to market principles and would have vigorously opposed governments enforcing a person or corporation's claim to the right to monopolize a lifesaving drug or device and to charge whatever the market would bear.

Smith strongly disliked both governments and corporations. He viewed government primarily as an instrument for extracting taxes to subsidize elites and intervening in the market to protect corporate monopolies. In his words, "Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.'' Smith never suggested that government should not intervene to set and enforce minimum social, health, worker safety, and environmental standards in the common interest or to protect the poor and nature from the rich. Given that most governments of his day were monarchies, the possibility probably never occurred to him.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   12:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Pericles (#27)

"Work is the requirement?"

I was simply responding to the statement, "Wealth is created by human work".

"or make money via stocks (in other words I did not work for the money)"

A stockbroker doesn't work? It looks like he's working at least as hard as an accountant or a lawyer.

"And should the laborer and his work not be rewarded more than say a stock holder who does no work for the product?"

First, the laborer should be rewarded what he's worth. Second, there's nothing preventing the laborer from being a stock holder. Third, the stock holder is taking a risk -- the stock holder could lose money as well as make it.

Don't we reward risk? I know Las Vegas does. Do you envy those who win at Blackjack? Should we take their money because they didn't "work" for it?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   12:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pericles (#28)

"hold the exact opposite view on wealth Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, does."

Jesus Christ believed in tithing (10%). Yet the government demands 39.5% from Christians. I find that distressing indeed.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   13:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pericles (#34)

"When did corporation become "sainted" and defended as being the basis of capitalism?"

You're the one "sainting" them so you can "de-saint" them in your classic strawman argument. Corporations just are, as far as I'm concerned.

What would you substitute for them? The collective state? That's certainly not

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   13:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pericles (#34)

When did corporation become "sainted" and defended as being the basis of capitalism?

A good question.

Particularly in an era of unlimited campaign funds and armies of lobbyists, the corporate system needs to be sharply curtailed. The very largest corporations often plot with officeholders to use regulation to drive smaller and more nimble competitors away so the big corps can keep their cartel exclusive. True in banking, true in many other areas of the economy.

There's nothing sacred about corporations. Much of the increasing disparity in wealth is created via corporate means and that should be curtailed as well.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-17   13:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite (#36)

Jesus Christ believed in tithing (10%). Yet the government demands 39.5% from Christians. I find that distressing indeed.

A secular tax is not a tith and Jesus said to pay your secular taxes.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   13:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: TooConservative (#38)

When did corporation become "sainted" and defended as being the basis of capitalism? A good question.

Particularly in an era of unlimited campaign funds and armies of lobbyists, the corporate system needs to be sharply curtailed. The very largest corporations often plot with officeholders to use regulation to drive smaller and more nimble competitors away so the big corps can keep their cartel exclusive. True in banking, true in many other areas of the economy.

There's nothing sacred about corporations. Much of the increasing disparity in wealth is created via corporate means and that should be curtailed as well.

I think it started in the last 60s or early 70s when Ralph Nader started to attack the safety record of GM cars - what is good for GM is good for America - was kind of a rally cry. Also, in an era where we were fighting communisim - we had people on the left attack corporations while you had anti communists knee jerk defend corporations with them feeling that doing so was fighting against communist some how.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   13:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: misterwhite, A Pole (#37)

You're the one "sainting" them so you can "de-saint" them in your classic strawman argument. Corporations just are, as far as I'm concerned.

What would you substitute for them? The collective state? That's certainly not

Who said anything about a substitute (talk about a straw man)? I am think it is best when corporations are well regulated, taxed and policed while privately owned companies - in the hands of individuals and not stock holders - are treated better (in some cases they are - they don't need to disclose profits or losses like a corporation has to).

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   13:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Pericles (#28)

I find distressing (or amusing) when Christians - who label themselves as devout Christian fundamentalists - hold the exact opposite view on wealth Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, does.

Our Lord said many things - most of them are usually taken out of context.

One of the things He said was "My Kingdom is not of this World."

Mankind has strived for millenia to achieve the perfect Gov't - some attempts (1776) have worked out better than others (Stalin, Hitler, Mao). None will ever be perfect, however, and all will eventually fail due to mankind's corruption. (we're witnessing the death throes now of the once great US of A)

All that lies at the end of the road you seem to ascribe to (socialism, facism, communism) is misery, death and destruction.

Understand - the Lord was speaking of Heaven.

We will never achieve on our own a heaven on Earth.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-03-17   14:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rufus T Firefly (#42)

True

A Pole  posted on  2015-03-17   14:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pericles (#33)

"Corporations that donate to charities while knowingly selling a defective prodict that kills people is one example."

The auto industry? Pharmaceuticals? Motorcycles? Swimming pools?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   15:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Pericles (#39)

"A secular tax is not a tith and Jesus said to pay your secular taxes."

He got by on 10%, and you brought Him up.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-17   15:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Rufus T Firefly (#42)

All that lies at the end of the road you seem to ascribe to (socialism, facism, communism) is misery, death and destruction.

Understand - the Lord was speaking of Heaven.

We will never achieve on our own a heaven on Earth.

Waxing poetic and astute today.

Great points.

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1 Peter 1:23)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-17   15:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Rufus T Firefly, A Pole (#42)

One of the things He said was "My Kingdom is not of this World."

Why should we follow in this world policies that will get us hellbound?

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   15:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: redleghunter (#46)

Thanks.

Sometimes I think - in all our debating back and forth - it helps to step back and see the bigger picture.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-03-17   15:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TooConservative (#0)

Is it just possible these "insiders" are wolves after Goldi Lox, i.e. traitors to the American Constitution and the American people?

Don  posted on  2015-03-17   16:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pericles (#47) (Edited)

If you aren't a Christian, you are already bound for Hell, and those 72 Virgins aren't a bargain.

Don  posted on  2015-03-17   16:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Rufus T Firefly, Vicomte13, liberator (#48)

Sometimes I think - in all our debating back and forth - it helps to step back and see the bigger picture.

Bigger picture is always good to look at. As we see throughout history the machinations of man putting himself front and center drives the passion to rule over others. It has happened in every generation and in every culture.

For a time we get men (and women) who see the big picture. That we are the created and we have a Creator. When such men realize this relationship things tend to be more democratic and 'upward' focused. We enjoyed such in our nation's infancy. It still was not close to perfect as such sins of mankind as in slavery were kept for a time.

So the world is at an impasse. Is (was) America humanity's last best hope? Sounds good but maybe only for a season or a season times a season. For me as a Christian the only Hope is Christ's government when He returns to make the kings of the earth and nations His footstool.

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1 Peter 1:23)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-17   16:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Pericles (#47)

Why should we follow in this world policies that will get us hellbound?

The only thing for sure that gets us hellbound is rejecting Jesus Christ.

Other than that, I believe that we get quite a large leeway when it comes to earthly politics.

I came to this belief early on in my Christian walk. In 1984 (four years after I became a Christian)my wife and I had just begun attending a different church. One of the attendees had a "Mondale/Ferraro" bumper sticker on his car.

He was an older gentleman (has since passed away). Didn't know this at the time, but he had a very differnt background than my own - old time democrat, union supporter, New Deal, etc.

Politically, we were polar opposites.

At the same time - he was one of the finest Christians I have ever known.

Like I said - I think we're allowed some leeway when it comes to politcs

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-03-17   16:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: redleghunter, Rufus T Firefly, Vicomte13, liberator (#51)

For a time we get men (and women) who see the big picture. That we are the created and we have a Creator. When such men realize this relationship things tend to be more democratic and 'upward' focused. We enjoyed such in our nation's infancy.

It's not hard to see where we are now. We have embraced deviancy, have no respect for life, and the socialists/progressives have successfully turned the idea of human freedom into human dependence on their god, govt.

So how does a businessman respond?

I can tell you what I've been doing since obama and his servants have captured control over America. I stopped employing people and have hired back some of these individuals as independent contractors. I have internalized most of the work we do to reduce cost. I stopped investing in the USA and began buying in Central America. I'm just a small real estate operator, but I can see that a pro business environment no longer exists in the USA and with the collapse of our borders and declining birth rates it's not hard to see the socialists will soon have a majority. Then it won't be that long before the "progressives" decide I shouldn't be allowed to make a profit beyond what they think is appropriate.

wmfights  posted on  2015-03-17   16:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Pericles (#28)

I find distressing (or amusing) when Christians - who label themselves as devout Christian fundamentalists - hold the exact opposite view on wealth Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, does.

Apparently you have some beliefs that aren't true.

What is Jesus's view on wealth?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-17   18:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Pericles (#40)

I think it started in the last 60s or early 70s when Ralph Nader started to attack the safety record of GM cars - what is good for GM is good for America - was kind of a rally cry. Also, in an era where we were fighting communisim - we had people on the left attack corporations while you had anti communists knee jerk defend corporations with them feeling that doing so was fighting against communist some how.

Did you know how Naders crusade against the Corvair started? His friend, Ernie Kovacs was drunk as hell, trying to light his cigar and speeding like an asshole.

He kiled himself.

Nader used his stupidity and his blood to make a name for himself, he underinflated tires and used many lies to smear a mid engine car, that any reputable engineer will tell you is a safe platform.

Hes a liar and a conman. Dont even get me started on how he pled poverty in order to get poor students to work for him for free. Hes a lying scumbag, and anyone who believes him is a fool or worse.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-17   19:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Pericles (#12)

A for profit corporation is a sociopath.

Your stupidity is stunning!

The PURPOSE of corporations is to turn a profit.

I hate to break your bubble,but Larry Laborer gets up each morning and goes to work TO TURN A PROFIT. If he doesn't,just like the corporation he will stop doing what he is doing and find something else to do that will earn him a profit so he can feed,house,and clothe himself and his children.

Of course we all know that YOU would never dream of accepting a dime more than transportation costs to go to work and work a full day because profits are evil,right?

BTW,how do you manage to feed the Unicorn you fly to work if you can't afford to buy Unicorn Chow? Trick question. We all know you don't work or know anything about working.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-17   19:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone, Pericles (#15)

Are you sane?

Of course he is. He's not smart enough to be crazy. You have to HAVE a mind before you can lose it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-17   19:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A Pole (#19)

GWB worked very hard and millions of the working poor are just lazy.

You're just pissed and jealous because you weren't lucky enough to be born into either wealth or intelligence.

Anybody as selfish as you would be like Marie Antoinette if you had any wealth. Because you know this to be true about yourself,you automatically assume everyone that is wealthy has the same attitude.

Who was the wealthiest man in your old workers paradise,comrade?

The correct answer is "Joseph Stalin". He owned the whole damn empire.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-17   19:26:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#58)

You're just pissed and jealous because you weren't lucky enough to be born into either wealth or intelligence.

Anybody as selfish as you would be like Marie Antoinette if you had any wealth

I must have touched a raw nerve. Sorry, really.

A Pole  posted on  2015-03-17   19:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Rufus T Firefly (#52)

True again. Sigh ...

A Pole  posted on  2015-03-17   19:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Dead Culture Watch (#55)

You are free to drive shitty American cars.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   20:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Rufus T Firefly (#52)

The only thing for sure that gets us hellbound is rejecting Jesus Christ.

Other than that, I believe that we get quite a large leeway when it comes to earthly politics.

That explains the Protestant genocide of the Indians.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-17   20:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A Pole (#59)

I must have touched a raw nerve. Sorry, really.

LOL!

Your judgement is consistent.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-17   20:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Pericles (#61)

You are free to drive shitty American cars.

You,of course,prefer your Yugo or Lada?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-17   20:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Don (#50)

If you aren't a Christian, you are already bound for Hell, and those 72 Virgins aren't a bargain.

My understanding is they aren't actually virgin humans but houris, a supernatural female being. The Koran doesn't give the number 72. But it does promise five young boys of "perpetual freshness".

Check the Wiki link for more if you're curious about this widely held misconception about Jannah, the Muslim paradise.

Apparently, the Jinn (or genies) are another class of supernatural being, higher than humans but lower than angels, who will also be present in the Muslim paradise.

Both houris and jinn predate Islam by centuries, perhaps more. These are remnants of the old pre-Islamic Arab and Persian pagan religions. Before Islam, the migrations to Mecca, a peace city where tribes were forbidden to fight, were tied up in these pagan religions and also with early Arab Christians who were also present at Mecca. Islam started as just another pagan Arab religion and displaced the old Arab pagan religions and Arab Christianity.

As pagan religions go, Islam is fairly appalling superstition.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-18   5:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: misterwhite (#5)

And what will happen when 51% tell the other 49% that they demand free health care, free food, free college education, free housing, etc.?

The Sun will rise in the West and set in the East, that's what will happen.

Because, you see, all of the countries of Europe, plus all of the countries of the Americas except Haiti, also Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea, and Israel - all of the advanced civilized nations in the world, all have social welfare systems. They all heave health care for the poor, food support for the poor, subsidized education and housing for the poor - all of them.

In all of those countries, the 51% HAVE gotten together to tell the 49% that there will be social welfare, and there is. Except for people who are so insane they don't go get the help, nobody starves anywhere in the civilized world, and this is because of welfare.

But what HAS NOT HAPPENED, ANYWHERE, EVER, not even once, is that the 51% voted to make all of that absolutely free, and to take everything.

It never has happened, and it never will happen. Never, ever. Know why? Because the 51% are not stupid. They're not idiots. They live in the real world and work too, and they know that everything cannot be free. But they know, better than the 49%, that there is a lot of bad luck, and a lot of systemic problems that confine many to lower levels of economic existence. And they know that many will starve and be illiterate unless there is SOME organized, systematized, state-operated welfare.

They know that the Churches cannot and will not do it all if the state doesn't. They know this because every one of those countries, once upon a time in the last century or the century before, had no welfare system, and had the churches do it all, and they all had starvation and people die of disease untreated. Industrial society creates an urban poor, and an urban poor is a lot poorer and lower and more in jeopardy than rural poor, because the rural poor can always eat, but the urban poor cannot.

So, all of those nations, one by one, considered the situation and established government-operated social welfare. They all did it, and none of them ever came close to just giving everything away for free, because people know that cannot work.

So, the whole "51% will vote for everything of the 49%" is a boogie-man. It's a ghost story. It has never happened, in the history of the 100 or so countries that have social welfare. It never has come close to happening, and it never will happen, because the 51% are not idiots.

It's nothing but a ghost story told by people who cannot think in terms of modern, sophisticated economics and political structures, to try and scare the children.

The story is a failure. It's an impossible dark fantasy. And the only people who believe in it are the ones who tell the story. And they're part of the 49%, and they still have THEIR houses, cars, nice things, everything else.

So, what will happen when it happens? The Sun will rise in the West. Because it's never, ever gonna happen. Therefore, we should spend zero time considering the threat, because it does not exist, will not exist, and cannot exist. It's a boogie-man, nothing more.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-19   18:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Vicomte13 (#66)

"It never has happened, and it never will happen. Never, ever. Know why? Because the 51% are not stupid. They're not idiots. They live in the real world and work too, and they know that everything cannot be free."

Uh-huh.

Just as a private sector union would never make demands on their employer which would force them into bankruptcy.

Just as public sector unions would never force their city or their state into insolvency.

Why, they're not idiots.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-20   10:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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