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Title: American Millennials are among the world's least skilled
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Fortune
URL Source: http://fortune.com/2015/03/10/ameri ... mong-the-worlds-least-skilled/
Published: Mar 11, 2015
Author: Anne Fisher
Post Date: 2015-03-11 17:31:34 by Willie Green
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Views: 25621
Comments: 77
Surprised? So were the researchers who tested and compared workers in 23 countries. We hear about the superior tech savvy of people born after 1980 so often that we tend to assume it must be true. But is it? Researchers at Princeton-based Educational Testing Service (ETS) expected it to be when they administered a test called the Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC). Sponsored by the OECD, the test was designed to measure the job skills of adults, aged 16 to 65, in 23 countries. When the results were analyzed by age group and nationality, ETS got a shock. It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.” Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans. Take literacy, for instance. American Millennials scored lower than their counterparts in every country that participated except Spain and Italy. (Japan is No. 1.) In numeracy, meaning the ability to apply basic math to everyday situations, Gen Yers in the U.S. ranked dead last. Okay, but what about making smart use of technology, where Millennials are said to shine? Again, America scored at the bottom of the heap, in a four-way tie for last place with the Slovak Republic, Ireland, and Poland. Even the best-educated Millennials stateside couldn’t compete with their counterparts in Japan, Finland, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, or elsewhere. With a master’s degree, for example, Americans scored higher in numeracy than peers in just three countries: Ireland, Poland, and Spain. Altogether, the top U.S. Gen Yers, in the 90th percentile, “scored lower than their counterparts in 15 countries,” the report notes, “and only scored higher than their peers in Spain.” “We really thought [U.S.] Millennials would do better than the general adult population, either compared to older coworkers in the U.S. or to the same age group in other countries,” says Madeline Goodman, an ETS researcher who worked on the study. “But they didn’t. In fact, their scores were abysmal.” What does that mean for U.S. employers hiring people born since 1980? Goodman notes that hiring managers shouldn’t overestimate the practical value of a four-year degree. True, U.S. Millennials with college credentials did score higher on the PIAAC than Americans with only a high school diploma (albeit less well than college grads in most other countries). “But a degree may not be enough,” Goodman says, to prove that someone is adept with basic English, can do what she calls “workaday math,” or has the ability to use technology in a job. Curious about how the PIAAC measures those skills, or how you’d score yourself? Check out a few sample math questions, or take the whole test.
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
Regardless of how education improves and school budgets increase, this generation and future generations will continue to be underachievers and poor choice makers. It's got nothing to do with IQ or quality of education. It has everything to do with the libtard "equality" mindset. There is no reason for children to excell, for they are instantly regarded as good as their peer and excuses are made for their ineptness. Then, these entitled little "it's not my fault" children grow up and spawn even a lower quality child.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
By "libtard" I assume that you're referring to the underachieving libertarians who belittle the need for a quality higher education.
Meaning, any liberal minded person that feels people are equal. They aren't. Are you one?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Leftard "equality" mindset. There, fixed it for you.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Well now we're ready for Common Core...... that will take care of everything!..../sarc
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=27927
No, I'm an engineer. Although when measured on this scale, lower capabilities are indeed on the "left" and greater capability on the "right", this does NOT apply to any particular political ideology that an individual may espouse.
Generally speaking. Are blacks smarter then whites?
Generally speaking, I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability. However, there are also environmental/cultural factors that can skew the results. "Smarter" in one culture may be "not so smart" in another. It all depends what you mean by "smarter." And of course health/nutrition & training of infants & younger children in their formative years can lead to a greater disparity as to who is "smarter" when they get older.
I don't agree. Not everyone is capable of obtaining the same IQ given the same environmental circumstances. We are not equal... we should not be treated as equals.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Our colleges have become glorified high schools. The last I heard something like 20% of entering college students need remedial instruction in math to bring them up beyond the 9th grade level. From there they can take bull sh!t courses in chicano or black history and graduate. Out educational system from top to bottom has become filled with parasites who's intention, and only capacity, is to create more clones of themselves in students with grandiose expectations of acceptance and achievement.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watson Since you used a bell curve, was wondering if you had read book by same name. If not, maybe you can familiarize yourself with the guy in link above. What studies/books have you read that have formed your opinions on this subject?
I never said they could. But please let me rephrase what I said so it is more clear: So speaking statistically, everybody as a group is equal ON AVERAGE, but everybody as individuals is different. And skin color doesn't indicate who is higher and who is lower.
Ok... now we are getting closer in opinion. However, I still tend to disagree. I'd be willing to suggest that if you randomly picked 100 Asians from all over the USA and 100 black panthers from all over the USA, and tested them out, you'd be very disappointed in your "generally equal" results. And why just pick IQ? What about DRIVE? What about AMBITION? What about strength? agility?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Lol, why would it? If what you mean to say is 'people with darker skin tones ar just as smart as those with less', I would like to see any study you have to support that.
My undergraduate degree in Industrial Engineering is based upon the pioneering work of Frederick W Taylor and Frank & Lillian Gilbreath. Work Measurement / Time Study / "piece work" incentive pay plans are fundamentally based on use of the Bell Curve. For instance, the "base" pay rate is established as 100% for the "average" worker. (analagous to having a 100 IQ)... But with an incentive pay plan, an "average" worker should be able to exert extra manual effort and achieve a 2-sigma (25%) increase in output, thus earning 25% more pay over the base rate. But since everybody is different, some people might earn only 15% over base while others might earn 30% more, depending on their individual effort and capabilities. It's pretty basic stuff. But when conducting a motion-time study on a worker, you have to train yourself to ignore any preconceptions you might have if the worker is black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, old, fat, skinny, tall, short, or whatever... All you're really doing is judging the rythm of the motion, whether it's "fast" or "slow" so you can "normalize" the data that you are observing. It's an acquired skill... kinda like a quarterback rolling out of the pocket and trying to hit a wide receiver running a slant in the opposite direction. LOL! Practice it enough, it becomes second nature.
Umm, maybe you might wish to answer the question?
Well I try to avoid basing my opinion on stereotypes, so I'd wager that YOU would be the one who would be surprised at how equal everybody would be on the normal curve. And not just IQ, but all the other attributes you mention.
Which question?
The question is, where did you get the information used to have the opinion, that I think you do. Because I'm not real sure what your opinion is TBH. You sorta keep dancing. Do you believe, that blacks and whites over the entirety of the population, are equally intelligent? If so, what studies lead you to this?
Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans. Thank God that Common Core is just around the corner.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
One good thing about the millennials. Is that they have no loyalty to D's or R's.
Not such a good thing as they have no loyalty to anyone or anything other than themselves.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
People are as smart as they want to be. But in todays world most people don't care cause Mom and Dad or Uncle Sam will help them out, instead of letting them learn from their own stupidity.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Picking at old scabs again? You know how many posters this chased away because they didn't like what they saw in the mirror?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I am unaware of any credible study that proves there are IQ differences due to racial/ethnic biology. Any differences that exist are attibutable to socio-economic and cultural influences during formative years. In the absence of such studies, I revert to the self-evident truth that "all men are created equal" that Thomas Jefferson so wisely included in our Constitution.
I guess I am one, yes. I believe that people are equal before God, and that they ought to be equal before the law. Further, I acknowledge that all people have an equal need for basic things: air, water, food, light, clothing, shelter, because without them, they die. So, at those levels, I do very firmly believe that people are equal. I recognize that people have different interests, different talents, different abilities and different experiences, but I do not believe that any of things overrides the equal needs for survival of people, or their equality before God, or their right to equality before the law. Equality in the sphere's where it is true is important, and it has to be enforced, because people will use their superior whatever to make themselves legally superior to other people who don't have their skills or intelligence or connections. They will also use their superiority in some areas to squeeze other people on their fundamental needs (as in: submit to my unequal treatment under the law or you don't get food). And using the particular things on which we are all equal and all have equal basic needs as pressure points to command and control people is specifically what has to be focused on and stopped. There's nothing wrong with people who are technically savvy controlling the tech industry and making it such that those without a certain degree of resources and smarts cannot get access to high tech toys. There is everything wrong with people who are smarter using the need to eat and be sheltered from the cold as a means to beat less intelligent people into submission. One must be able to distinguish between the two.
You meant Declaration of Independence.
I recognize that people have different interests, different talents, different abilities and different experiences Then we agree. Because of that, we shouldn't treat people equally.... but FAIRLY
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Yeah... it's just early signs of old age setting in...
That's more difficult to do when the technocracy operates in an occult (hidden from sight) and deceptive manner -- whether its the ancient Sun-princes bamboozling the sheeple by pretending to make the sun go dark after having mastered the ability to predict a solar eclipse, or High Frequency Trading on today's Wall Street, the attitude and moral defects are the same. Observe how the subprime industry operated to game a systemically corrupted financial infrastructure. Who will bear the weight of the trillions of dollars in derivative a$$paper manufactured as a result of that FRAUD? The Merchant uses dishonest scales, he loves to defraud... The sheeple assist in the process when they allow themselves to be shocked and awed into worshiping the latest techno wizardry - whether it be state-established or not. Same ol'
Observe how the subprime industry operated to game a systemically corrupted financial infrastructure. Who will bear the weight of the trillions of dollars in derivative a$$paper manufactured as a result of that FRAUD? The Merchant uses dishonest scales, he loves to defraud... The sheeple assist in the process when they allow themselves to be shocked and awed into worshiping the latest techno wizardry - whether it be state-established or not. Same ol' You know what? I agree with you.
Name any issue with the exhaustive study on this issue in the book 'The Bell Curve'. Merely frothing at the mouth wont work here.
Like I said, I'm unaware of any such credible study...
Lol... What I thought, your an empty suit.
No, I'm simply not obsessed with irrelevant ethnic/racial distinctions.
You forgot basket weaving, race baiting and progressive ideology.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
To: Dead Culture Watch No, I'm simply not obsessed with irrelevant ethnic/racial distinctions. Huh? It has just about everything to do with article YOU posted. Tard.
The article I posted has to do with the cultural differences of the nations being compared... not the ethnic/racial heritage of individuals. For instance the education system in China is different than the one in Norway... and both of those are different than what we have in the US.
Just because YOU dont want to see it, does not mean its not relevant. If you take out minorities out of the mix, the US does very well. An issue missing in China and Norway.
I don't believe that's true.
Lol, a free gift now equals acheivement. Ok, let's play in your pen for awhile. Do you suppose its the 'education system' in China thats superior to ours? Is that the reason we are slipping behind? Class size? Teachers salaries? Common core? Lol....
Too many nonproductive distractions: entertainment, sports, video games, crap music.. the kids have everything handed to them... spoiled rotten...
Lol. Absolutel B.S. Every statistic tells me that the dropout rate is especially hard hitting to minority communities. I would really appreciate you saying something non politically correct. Would be refreshing to see you not be so squeamish about reality. You seem to have no issue pointing out problems in the white community, yet recoil in horror when discussing issues that affect minorities, why is that?
Well during the '70s, '80s & '90s... and even partially into the '00s, I had begun to believe that there was sufficient progress in race relations and minority opportunity/achievement that affirmative action was no longer necessary to overcome decades of bigotry, segregation and discrimination. But sadly, through my involvement in these "conservative" discussion boards (in opposition to Klintonian liberalism), I've become aware that racial hatred and bigotry had merely been lingering beneath the surface, and is experiencing a despicable national revival in the current GOP/Tea Party agenda. Frankly, I'm disappointed that there aren't more conservatives who openly reject and denounce this despicable partisan bigotry... but instead, they embrace their own ignorance with a religious fervor... Too bad for them. I have my own immortal soul to worry about... so every day I thank the Lord for providing me with a penchant for education & independant thinking that enabled me to breakaway from the partisan Echo Chamber of ignorance.
It wasn't liberal/progressives who convinced me that the GOP/Tea Party was infested with a bunch of neo-confederate/McCarthyite racists & bigots.
So you're a racist huh. Anyone who supports affirmative action is a racist.
How are you going to explain to your creator your voting for people who chop babies into little pieces. Chop chop. Blood. Your vote. You enable.
Why should we support racism like you do?
He lives in one of those gated communities so doesn't know what the real world is like, does that surprise you?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Such malicious misrepresentation of other people's opinions will never win support for a ProLife Constitutional Amendment. The hypcrites in the GOP/Tea Party have a long way to go before they convince me that they're actually pro-life. Whether it's undermining civil rights legislation, health/safety/enviornmental standards or enabling financial support of China's One Child Policy of GOVERNMENT FORCED ABORTIONS with "most favored nation" trade status. You want to convince me that the GOP/Tea Party is pro-life? But as long as that remains a taboo debate within the GOP, I'm not listening to their racist & discriminatory BS on other issues.
No. I want you to explain to us how you are going to explain to your creator why you voted for /enabled people to chop up babies into little tiny pieces. You know murder.
Wouldn't it be better to focus on this coutry first. We could start be executing people who have helped to murder babies in this country. Like democrat voters for example.
LOL! Are we supposed to believe that you're blessed with ESP? Get a clue, dude. You have no idea who I vote for. So QUIT pretending that you're a mind reader, and STOP trying to use the abortion issue in a self-righteous attempt to assassinate my character. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Wow. So you didn't vote for Obama, Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Carter.
Did he support abortion?
That's a very ignorant and uninformed statement. There are many pro-life democrats, candidates and politicians who are populist/progressive on other issues. The GOP/Tea Party partisan agenda isn't compliant with Holy Scripture.
There are many pro-life democrats, candidates and politicians who are populist/progressive on other issues. There are zero pro life democrats. Not a single one. You can't be pro life and vote for a party that thinks snuffing out kids is a right.
No the GOP doesn't have a monopoly on morality. Where did I says that? I didn't you make up stuff.
Yes, he was reluctantly supportive, but placed a much higher priority on economic rather than social issues.
Well in fairness and honesty I must point out that I voted for Perot too. So I can't fairly criticize you for that one without being hypocritical.
So I can't fairly criticize you for that one without being hypocritical. I'll go further. I rationalized it in my mind the same way you mentioned. His higher priority being the deficit. I told myself he wasn't to much for it. I was wrong to compromise my principals. Even if I was just a young under 25 year old guy at the time.
You see, some people can figure out things on their own. Without getting it from someone else. It is called intelligence. The IQ test measures ability to solve set of puzzles provided by the corporate authors of IQ test, nothing more nothing less. High IQ means that you are a good puzzle solver or efficient corporate drone.
You should be respectful toward your principals. Or they will fire you.
Unfortunately, compromise is the only way to get anything accomplished in our system of government. And while I may be personally opposed to abortion, I don't see where abolishing abortion is an attainable goal any time within the next Century.
Ok,we get it. You don't have a high IQ. So what? Millions of people live perfectly happy and successful lives that are in the same boat you are. There are all sorts of career fields open for people like you. Take advantage of what you have and quit whining about what you don't have because we are getting tired of hearing about it. If you were as smart as you think you are,you would understand that life ain't fair,but the people that work the hardest at improving their lives seem to have the most "luck".
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ok,we get it. You don't have a high IQ. How did you conclude that I am not good in solving puzzles or playing video games? Here is one for you:
I don't. I conclude you don't have a very high IQ because you think crap like that proves you do,because you are a leftist,and because of the enormous chip on your shoulder.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Don't get overexcited. Puzzle solving is not the most important aspect of intelligence. Nerds who do nothing else and have no time to wash often are quite dumb. Either way here comes some stuff on correlation between political views and skill in solving puzzle set: ======================== Conservatives exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do. Or that's what it says in the social science literature, anyway. A 2010 study using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82. Similarly, when a 2009 study correlated cognitive capacity with political beliefs among 1,254 community college students and 1,600 foreign students seeking entry to U.S. universities, it found that conservatism is "related to low performance on cognitive ability tests." In 2012, a paper reported that people endorse more conservative views when drunk or under cognitive pressure; it concluded that "political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought." So have social scientists really proved that conservatives are dumber than liberals? It depends crucially on how you define "conservative." For an inkling of what some social scientists think conservatives believe, parse a 2008 study by the University of Nevada at Reno sociologist Markus Kemmelmeier. To probe the political and social beliefs of nearly 7,000 undergraduates at an elite university, Kemmelmeier devised a set of six questions asking whether abortion, same-sex marriage, and gay sex should be legal, whether handguns and racist/sexist speech on campus should be banned, and whether higher taxes should be imposed on the wealthy. The first three were supposed to measure the students' views of "conservative gender roles," and the second set was supposed to gauge their "anti-regulation" beliefs. Kemmelmeier clearly thought that "liberals" would tend to be OK with legal abortion, same-sex marriage, and gay sex, and would opt to ban handguns and offensive speech and to tax the rich. Conservatives would supposedly hold the opposite views. Savvy readers may recognize a problem with using these questions to sort people into just two ideological categories. And sure enough, Kemmelmeier got some results that puzzled him. He found that students who held more traditional views on gender and sex roles averaged lower on their verbal SAT and Achievement Test scores. "Surprisingly," he continued, this was not true of students with anti-regulation attitudes. With them, "all else being equal, more conservative respondents scored higher than more liberal respondents." Kemmelmeier ruefully notes that "this result was not anticipated" and "diametrically contradicts" the hypothesis that conservatism is linked to lower cognitive ability. Kemmelmeier is so evidently lost in the intellectual fog of contemporary progressivism that he does not realize that his questionnaire is impeccably designed to identify classical liberals, a.k.a. libertarians, who endorse liberty in both the social and economic realms. So how smart are libertarians compared to liberals and conservatives? In a May 2014 study in the journal Intelligence, the Oxford sociologist Noah Carl attempts to answer to that question. Because research has "consistently shown that intelligence is positively correlated with socially liberal beliefs and negatively correlated with religious beliefs," Carl suggests that in the American political context, social scientists would expect Republicans to be less intelligent than Democrats. Instead, Republicans have slightly higher verbal intelligence scores (2–5 IQ points) than Democrats. How could that be? Carl begins by pointing out that there is data suggesting that a segment of the American population holding classical liberal beliefs tends to vote Republican. Classical liberals, Carl notes, believe that an individual should be free to make his own lifestyle choices and to enjoy the profits derived from voluntary transactions with others. He proposes that intelligence actually correlates with classically liberal beliefs. To test this hypothesis, Carl uses data on political attitudes and intelligence derived from the General Social Survey, which has been administered to representative samples of American adults every couple of years since 1972. Using GSS data, respondents are classified on a continuum ranging from strong Republican through independent to strong Democrat. Carl then creates a measure of socially liberal beliefs based on respondents' attitudes toward homosexuality, marijuana consumption, abortion, and free speech for communists, racists, and advocates for military dictatorship. He similarly probes liberal economic views, with an assessment of attitudes toward government provision of jobs, industry subsidies, income redistribution, price controls, labor unions, and military spending. Verbal Intelligence is evaluated using the GSS WORDSUM test results. Comparing strong Republicans with strong Democrats, Carl finds that Republicans have a 5.48 IQ point advantage over Democrats. Broadening party affiliation to include moderate to merely leaning respondents still results in a Republican advantage of 3.47 IQ points and 2.47 IQ points respectively. Carl reconciles his findings with the social science literature that reports that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives by proposing that Americans with classically liberal beliefs are even smarter. Carl further reports that those who endorse both social conservatism and economic statism also have lower verbal IQ scores. "Overall, my findings suggest that higher intelligence among classically liberal Republicans compensates for lower intelligence among socially conservative Republicans," concludes Carl. If the dumb, I mean socially conservative, Republicans keep disrespecting us classical liberals, we'll take our IQ points and go home. As gratifying as Carl's research findings are, it is still a deep puzzle to me why it apparently takes high intelligence to understand that the government should stay out of both the bedroom and the boardroom.
Lol..... Yeah, because we all know problem solving isnt important in life. And we all know that intelligence is just a racist construct made to keep the brother man down. Am sure its just as unimportant as future time orientation. But, people who cant spell cat if you spot them a C are just as smart as physicist in the lefts world. Leftys dont really know why they believe what they believe, they do get to wrap themselves in a cacoon of smugness though, so at least they have that.
Do not confuse puzzle solving with problem solving.
Where is all this libtard wealth of info when Deckard posts his fear monger mantra that high IQ's are purposely not hired in police work? Being a liberal cop hater, I see you are a typical "I want my cake and eat it too". lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
True dat! Only stupid people try to solve problems. SMART people let the government solve problems for them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The Supreme Court has ruled that to be the case. Try and keep up. I know it's tough when you have the IQ of a cop, but at least make an effort.
Try and keep up. Yes... but your yellow journalistic buddy, Apole says IQ's don't mean squat. Which is it? That was the meaning of my post.... try and keep up
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Nonsense - the incentive to study math and problem-solving in technology-rich environments fields is less in the USA since we no longer have a manufacturing base but a service economy. Wake up. Blaming it on race, etc shows how the GOP party has been infested with naval gazers fixated on pet peeves.
that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.”
#2. To: GrandIsland (#1)
It has everything to do with the libtard "equality" mindset. There is no reason for children to excell, for they are instantly regarded as good as their peer and excuses are made for their ineptness.
#3. To: Willie Green (#2)
(Edited)
By "libtard" I assume that you're referring to the underachieving libertarians who belittle the need for a quality higher education.
#4. To: GrandIsland (#1)
libtard "equality" mindset.
#5. To: Willie Green (#0)
#6. To: CZ82, Grandisland (#4)
#7. To: GrandIsland (#3)
Meaning, any liberal minded person that feels people are equal. They aren't. Are you one?
I believe that human capabilities (physical and/or intellectual) are disbursed in the general population along the "normal distribution"
#8. To: Willie Green (#7)
No, I'm an engineer. I believe that human capabilities (physical and/or intellectual) are disbursed in the general population along the "normal distribution"
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Generally speaking. Are blacks smarter then whites?
All people ARE created intellectually equal in that respect. They are all dispersed equally along the same normal distribution regardless whether their skin pigment is black, white, brown, yellow, red, olive or whatever other shade of human pigmentation there is.
#10. To: Willie Green (#9)
Generally speaking, I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability. All people ARE created intellectually equal in that respect. They are all dispersed equally along the same normal distribution regardless whether their skin pigment is black, white, brown, yellow, red, olive or whatever other shade of human pigmentation there is.
#11. To: Willie Green (#0)
#12. To: Willie Green (#9)
#13. To: GrandIsland (#10)
I don't agree. Not everyone is capable of obtaining the same IQ given the same environmental circumstances.
We are not equal... we should not be treated as equals. Generally speaking, I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability. All
people races ARE created intellectually equal in that respect. They are all dispersed equally along the same normal distribution regardless whether their skin pigment is black, white, brown, yellow, red, olive or whatever other shade of human pigmentation there is.
#14. To: Willie Green (#13)
So speaking statistically, everybody as a group is equal ON AVERAGE, but everybody as individuals is different. And skin color doesn't indicate who is higher and who is lower.
#15. To: Willie Green (#13)
I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability.
#16. To: Dead Culture Watch (#12)
What studies/books have you read that have formed your opinions on this subject?
#17. To: Willie Green (#16)
#18. To: GrandIsland (#14)
However, I still tend to disagree. I'd be willing to suggest that if you randomly picked 100 Asians from all over the USA and 100 black panthers from all over the USA, and tested them out, you'd be very disappointed in your "generally equal" results.
And why just pick IQ? What about DRIVE? What about AMBITION?
What about strength? agility?
#19. To: Dead Culture Watch (#17)
Umm, maybe you might wish to answer the question?
#20. To: Willie Green (#19)
#21. To: Willie Green, All (#0)
It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.”
#22. To: SOSO (#21)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
One good thing about the millennials. Is that they have no loyalty to D's or R's.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#8)
(Edited)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#26. To: Dead Culture Watch (#20)
Do you believe, that blacks and whites over the entirety of the population, are equally intelligent?
If so, what studies lead you to this?
#27. To: GrandIsland (#3)
Meaning, any liberal minded person that feels people are equal. They aren't. Are you one?
#28. To: Willie Green (#26)
Thomas Jefferson so wisely included in our Constitution.
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#28)
But I ain't ready to start pushing up daisys just yet...
#31. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
One must be able to distinguish between the two.
#32. To: VxH (#31)
That's more difficult to do when the technocracy operates in an occult (hidden from sight) and deceptive manner -- whether its the ancient Sun-princes bamboozling the sheeple by pretending to make the sun go dark after having mastered the ability to predict a solar eclipse, or High Frequency Trading on today's Wall Street, the attitude and moral defects are the same.
#33. To: Willie Green (#26)
m unaware of any credible study that proves there are IQ differences due to racial/ethnic biology.
#34. To: Dead Culture Watch (#33)
So if you believe they exist, why don't YOU go ahead and list them?
#35. To: Willie Green (#34)
#36. To: Dead Culture Watch (#35)
#37. To: rlk (#11)
From there they can take bullshit courses in chicano or black history and graduate.
#38. To: Willie Green (#36)
#39. To: Dead Culture Watch (#38)
It has just about everything to do with article YOU posted.
That has nothing to do with any absurd assertion that achievement is attributable to skin pigmentation.
#40. To: Willie Green (#39)
#41. To: Dead Culture Watch (#40)
During my lifetime, affirmative action has provided a noticeable improvement in minority achievement levels.
At the same time, there hasn't been much noticeable improvement in lower class whites, who seem to increasingly turn to drugs and blame their own lack of ambition on the government.
#42. To: Willie Green (#41)
(Edited)
#43. To: Dead Culture Watch (#42)
I think it's less of a problem among minorities who still have strong exposure to parents (or single parents) who have to work hard to make ends meet.
But many in the more affluent middle class are underachievers, and expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
#44. To: Willie Green (#43)
I think it's less of a problem among minorities who still have strong exposure to parents (or single parents) who have to work hard to make ends meet.
#45. To: Dead Culture Watch (#44)
You seem to have no issue pointing out problems in the white community, yet recoil in horror when discussing issues that affect minorities, why is that?
#46. To: Dead Culture Watch (#44)
It was the conservative/libertarian GOP activists & legislators themselves who convinced me that that was truly what they are.
I never embraced liberal/progressivism. But I'm morally obligated to denounce and disassociate myself from the ignorance, hypocrisy and hatred of the partisan opposition.
#47. To: Willie Green (#45)
achievement that affirmative action was no longer necessary to overcome decades of bigotry,
#48. To: Willie Green (#45)
I've become aware that racial hatred and bigotry had merely been lingering beneath the surface,
#49. To: Willie Green (#45)
Too bad for them. I have my own immortal soul to worry about... so every day I thank the Lord for providing me with a penchant for education & independant thinking that enabled me to breakaway from the partisan Echo Chamber of ignorance.
#50. To: Willie Green (#41)
During my lifetime, affirmative action has provided a noticeable improvement in minority achievement levels.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#47)
#52. To: A K A Stone (#49)
How are you going to explain to your creator your voting for people who chop babies into little pieces. Chop chop. Blood. Your vote. You enable.
Then Huckabee/Carson/Palin/Walker/Cruz/Rubio/Perry/Santorum/Fiorina and whatever other "pro-life" hypocrite running in the 2016 GOP primaries can start a national debate about imposing trade sanctions on China over the forced abortion policy.
#53. To: Willie Green (#52)
You want to convince me that the GOP/Tea Party is pro-life?
#54. To: Willie Green (#52)
can start a national debate about imposing trade sanctions on China over the forced abortion policy
#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)
. I want you to explain to us how you are going to explain to your creator why you voted for
Just because I'm against the GOP/Tea Party hypocrites, it doesn't mean that I vote FOR the democrats. There have been plenty of 3rd party alternatives available to me since I first jumped ship and voted for H. Ross Perot back in '92. And when a suitable candidate isn't listed on the ballot, I'm also quite capable of writing-in my own candidate, as I've often done with Tom Monaghan who I trust is a good Roman Catholic and staunchly pro-life.
#56. To: Willie Green (#55)
#57. To: Willie Green (#55)
H. Ross Perot
#58. To: A K A Stone (#54)
Like democrat voters for example.
Many were blue collar "Reagan Democrats" that Tea Party libertarians demonize today.
You need to do some soul-searching and stop pretending that the GOP has a monopoly on morality when they don't.
#59. To: Willie Green (#58)
That's a very ignorant and uninformed statement.
#60. To: Willie Green (#58)
The GOP/Tea Party partisan agenda isn't compliant with Holy Scripture. You need to do some soul-searching and stop pretending that the GOP has a monopoly on morality when they don't.
#61. To: A K A Stone (#57)
H. Ross Perot
Did he support abortion?
#62. To: Willie Green (#61)
Yes, he was reluctantly supportive, but placed a much higher priority on economic rather than social issues.
#63. To: All (#62)
Well in fairness and honesty I must point out that I voted for Perot too.
#64. To: Dead Culture Watch, Willie Green (#20)
(Edited)
The question is, where did you get the information used to have the opinion, that I think you do.
#65. To: A K A Stone (#63)
I was wrong to compromise my principals.
#66. To: A Pole, A K A Stone (#65)
I was wrong to compromise my principals.
Nevertheless, I can still take a principaled pro-life stance against industrial & petrochemical pollution, and the spontaneous abortions, miscarriages, fetal abnormalities and child cancer that is in all likelihood attributable to hazardous pollution of our environment.God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
#67. To: A Pole (#64)
High IQ means that you are a good puzzle solver or efficient corporate drone.
#68. To: sneakypete (#67)
"High IQ means that you are a good puzzle solver or efficient corporate drone."
#69. To: A Pole (#68)
How did you conclude that I am not good in solving puzzles or playing video games?
#70. To: sneakypete (#69)
I conclude you don't have a very high IQ because you think crap like that proves you do,because you are a leftist,and because of the enormous chip on your shoulder.
#71. To: A Pole (#64)
The IQ test measures ability to solve set of puzzles provided by the corporate authors of IQ test, nothing more nothing less. High IQ means that you are a good puzzle solver or efficient corporate drone.
#72. To: Dead Culture Watch (#71)
Yeah, because we all know problem solving isnt important in life.
#73. To: A Pole, Deckard (#64)
The IQ test measures ability to solve set of puzzles provided by the corporate authors of IQ test, nothing more nothing less. High IQ means that you are a good puzzle solver or efficient corporate drone.
#74. To: Dead Culture Watch, A Pole (#71)
Yeah, because we all know problem solving isnt important in life.
#75. To: GrandIsland (#73)
....high IQ's are purposely not hired in police work?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#76. To: Deckard (#75)
The Supreme Court has ruled that to be the case.
#77. To: Willie Green. A Pole (#43)
Too many nonproductive distractions: entertainment, sports, video games, crap music.. the kids have everything handed to them... spoiled rotten... I think it's less of a problem among minorities who still have strong exposure to parents (or single parents) who have to work hard to make ends meet. But many in the more affluent middle class are underachievers, and expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
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