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Title: American Millennials are among the world's least skilled
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Fortune
URL Source: http://fortune.com/2015/03/10/ameri ... mong-the-worlds-least-skilled/
Published: Mar 11, 2015
Author: Anne Fisher
Post Date: 2015-03-11 17:31:34 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 26579
Comments: 77
Surprised? So were the researchers who tested and compared workers in 23 countries. We hear about the superior tech savvy of people born after 1980 so often that we tend to assume it must be true. But is it? Researchers at Princeton-based Educational Testing Service (ETS) expected it to be when they administered a test called the Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC). Sponsored by the OECD, the test was designed to measure the job skills of adults, aged 16 to 65, in 23 countries. When the results were analyzed by age group and nationality, ETS got a shock. It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.” Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans. Take literacy, for instance. American Millennials scored lower than their counterparts in every country that participated except Spain and Italy. (Japan is No. 1.) In numeracy, meaning the ability to apply basic math to everyday situations, Gen Yers in the U.S. ranked dead last. Okay, but what about making smart use of technology, where Millennials are said to shine? Again, America scored at the bottom of the heap, in a four-way tie for last place with the Slovak Republic, Ireland, and Poland. Even the best-educated Millennials stateside couldn’t compete with their counterparts in Japan, Finland, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, or elsewhere. With a master’s degree, for example, Americans scored higher in numeracy than peers in just three countries: Ireland, Poland, and Spain. Altogether, the top U.S. Gen Yers, in the 90th percentile, “scored lower than their counterparts in 15 countries,” the report notes, “and only scored higher than their peers in Spain.” “We really thought [U.S.] Millennials would do better than the general adult population, either compared to older coworkers in the U.S. or to the same age group in other countries,” says Madeline Goodman, an ETS researcher who worked on the study. “But they didn’t. In fact, their scores were abysmal.” What does that mean for U.S. employers hiring people born since 1980? Goodman notes that hiring managers shouldn’t overestimate the practical value of a four-year degree. True, U.S. Millennials with college credentials did score higher on the PIAAC than Americans with only a high school diploma (albeit less well than college grads in most other countries). “But a degree may not be enough,” Goodman says, to prove that someone is adept with basic English, can do what she calls “workaday math,” or has the ability to use technology in a job. Curious about how the PIAAC measures those skills, or how you’d score yourself? Check out a few sample math questions, or take the whole test.
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
Regardless of how education improves and school budgets increase, this generation and future generations will continue to be underachievers and poor choice makers. It's got nothing to do with IQ or quality of education. It has everything to do with the libtard "equality" mindset. There is no reason for children to excell, for they are instantly regarded as good as their peer and excuses are made for their ineptness. Then, these entitled little "it's not my fault" children grow up and spawn even a lower quality child.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
By "libtard" I assume that you're referring to the underachieving libertarians who belittle the need for a quality higher education.
Meaning, any liberal minded person that feels people are equal. They aren't. Are you one?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Leftard "equality" mindset. There, fixed it for you.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Well now we're ready for Common Core...... that will take care of everything!..../sarc
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=27927
No, I'm an engineer. Although when measured on this scale, lower capabilities are indeed on the "left" and greater capability on the "right", this does NOT apply to any particular political ideology that an individual may espouse.
Generally speaking. Are blacks smarter then whites?
Generally speaking, I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability. However, there are also environmental/cultural factors that can skew the results. "Smarter" in one culture may be "not so smart" in another. It all depends what you mean by "smarter." And of course health/nutrition & training of infants & younger children in their formative years can lead to a greater disparity as to who is "smarter" when they get older.
I don't agree. Not everyone is capable of obtaining the same IQ given the same environmental circumstances. We are not equal... we should not be treated as equals.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Our colleges have become glorified high schools. The last I heard something like 20% of entering college students need remedial instruction in math to bring them up beyond the 9th grade level. From there they can take bull sh!t courses in chicano or black history and graduate. Out educational system from top to bottom has become filled with parasites who's intention, and only capacity, is to create more clones of themselves in students with grandiose expectations of acceptance and achievement.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watson Since you used a bell curve, was wondering if you had read book by same name. If not, maybe you can familiarize yourself with the guy in link above. What studies/books have you read that have formed your opinions on this subject?
I never said they could. But please let me rephrase what I said so it is more clear: So speaking statistically, everybody as a group is equal ON AVERAGE, but everybody as individuals is different. And skin color doesn't indicate who is higher and who is lower.
Ok... now we are getting closer in opinion. However, I still tend to disagree. I'd be willing to suggest that if you randomly picked 100 Asians from all over the USA and 100 black panthers from all over the USA, and tested them out, you'd be very disappointed in your "generally equal" results. And why just pick IQ? What about DRIVE? What about AMBITION? What about strength? agility?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Lol, why would it? If what you mean to say is 'people with darker skin tones ar just as smart as those with less', I would like to see any study you have to support that.
My undergraduate degree in Industrial Engineering is based upon the pioneering work of Frederick W Taylor and Frank & Lillian Gilbreath. Work Measurement / Time Study / "piece work" incentive pay plans are fundamentally based on use of the Bell Curve. For instance, the "base" pay rate is established as 100% for the "average" worker. (analagous to having a 100 IQ)... But with an incentive pay plan, an "average" worker should be able to exert extra manual effort and achieve a 2-sigma (25%) increase in output, thus earning 25% more pay over the base rate. But since everybody is different, some people might earn only 15% over base while others might earn 30% more, depending on their individual effort and capabilities. It's pretty basic stuff. But when conducting a motion-time study on a worker, you have to train yourself to ignore any preconceptions you might have if the worker is black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, old, fat, skinny, tall, short, or whatever... All you're really doing is judging the rythm of the motion, whether it's "fast" or "slow" so you can "normalize" the data that you are observing. It's an acquired skill... kinda like a quarterback rolling out of the pocket and trying to hit a wide receiver running a slant in the opposite direction. LOL! Practice it enough, it becomes second nature.
Umm, maybe you might wish to answer the question?
Well I try to avoid basing my opinion on stereotypes, so I'd wager that YOU would be the one who would be surprised at how equal everybody would be on the normal curve. And not just IQ, but all the other attributes you mention.
Which question?
The question is, where did you get the information used to have the opinion, that I think you do. Because I'm not real sure what your opinion is TBH. You sorta keep dancing. Do you believe, that blacks and whites over the entirety of the population, are equally intelligent? If so, what studies lead you to this?
Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans. Thank God that Common Core is just around the corner.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
One good thing about the millennials. Is that they have no loyalty to D's or R's.
Not such a good thing as they have no loyalty to anyone or anything other than themselves.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
People are as smart as they want to be. But in todays world most people don't care cause Mom and Dad or Uncle Sam will help them out, instead of letting them learn from their own stupidity.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Picking at old scabs again? You know how many posters this chased away because they didn't like what they saw in the mirror?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I am unaware of any credible study that proves there are IQ differences due to racial/ethnic biology. Any differences that exist are attibutable to socio-economic and cultural influences during formative years. In the absence of such studies, I revert to the self-evident truth that "all men are created equal" that Thomas Jefferson so wisely included in our Constitution.
I guess I am one, yes. I believe that people are equal before God, and that they ought to be equal before the law. Further, I acknowledge that all people have an equal need for basic things: air, water, food, light, clothing, shelter, because without them, they die. So, at those levels, I do very firmly believe that people are equal. I recognize that people have different interests, different talents, different abilities and different experiences, but I do not believe that any of things overrides the equal needs for survival of people, or their equality before God, or their right to equality before the law. Equality in the sphere's where it is true is important, and it has to be enforced, because people will use their superior whatever to make themselves legally superior to other people who don't have their skills or intelligence or connections. They will also use their superiority in some areas to squeeze other people on their fundamental needs (as in: submit to my unequal treatment under the law or you don't get food). And using the particular things on which we are all equal and all have equal basic needs as pressure points to command and control people is specifically what has to be focused on and stopped. There's nothing wrong with people who are technically savvy controlling the tech industry and making it such that those without a certain degree of resources and smarts cannot get access to high tech toys. There is everything wrong with people who are smarter using the need to eat and be sheltered from the cold as a means to beat less intelligent people into submission. One must be able to distinguish between the two.
You meant Declaration of Independence.
I recognize that people have different interests, different talents, different abilities and different experiences Then we agree. Because of that, we shouldn't treat people equally.... but FAIRLY
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Yeah... it's just early signs of old age setting in...
That's more difficult to do when the technocracy operates in an occult (hidden from sight) and deceptive manner -- whether its the ancient Sun-princes bamboozling the sheeple by pretending to make the sun go dark after having mastered the ability to predict a solar eclipse, or High Frequency Trading on today's Wall Street, the attitude and moral defects are the same. Observe how the subprime industry operated to game a systemically corrupted financial infrastructure. Who will bear the weight of the trillions of dollars in derivative a$$paper manufactured as a result of that FRAUD? The Merchant uses dishonest scales, he loves to defraud... The sheeple assist in the process when they allow themselves to be shocked and awed into worshiping the latest techno wizardry - whether it be state-established or not. Same ol'
Observe how the subprime industry operated to game a systemically corrupted financial infrastructure. Who will bear the weight of the trillions of dollars in derivative a$$paper manufactured as a result of that FRAUD? The Merchant uses dishonest scales, he loves to defraud... The sheeple assist in the process when they allow themselves to be shocked and awed into worshiping the latest techno wizardry - whether it be state-established or not. Same ol' You know what? I agree with you.
Name any issue with the exhaustive study on this issue in the book 'The Bell Curve'. Merely frothing at the mouth wont work here.
Like I said, I'm unaware of any such credible study...
Lol... What I thought, your an empty suit.
No, I'm simply not obsessed with irrelevant ethnic/racial distinctions.
You forgot basket weaving, race baiting and progressive ideology.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
To: Dead Culture Watch No, I'm simply not obsessed with irrelevant ethnic/racial distinctions. Huh? It has just about everything to do with article YOU posted. Tard.
The article I posted has to do with the cultural differences of the nations being compared... not the ethnic/racial heritage of individuals. For instance the education system in China is different than the one in Norway... and both of those are different than what we have in the US.
Just because YOU dont want to see it, does not mean its not relevant. If you take out minorities out of the mix, the US does very well. An issue missing in China and Norway.
I don't believe that's true.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestthat Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.”
#2. To: GrandIsland (#1)
It has everything to do with the libtard "equality" mindset. There is no reason for children to excell, for they are instantly regarded as good as their peer and excuses are made for their ineptness.
#3. To: Willie Green (#2)
(Edited)
By "libtard" I assume that you're referring to the underachieving libertarians who belittle the need for a quality higher education.
#4. To: GrandIsland (#1)
libtard "equality" mindset.
#5. To: Willie Green (#0)
#6. To: CZ82, Grandisland (#4)
#7. To: GrandIsland (#3)
Meaning, any liberal minded person that feels people are equal. They aren't. Are you one?
I believe that human capabilities (physical and/or intellectual) are disbursed in the general population along the "normal distribution"
#8. To: Willie Green (#7)
No, I'm an engineer. I believe that human capabilities (physical and/or intellectual) are disbursed in the general population along the "normal distribution"
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Generally speaking. Are blacks smarter then whites?
All people ARE created intellectually equal in that respect. They are all dispersed equally along the same normal distribution regardless whether their skin pigment is black, white, brown, yellow, red, olive or whatever other shade of human pigmentation there is.
#10. To: Willie Green (#9)
Generally speaking, I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability. All people ARE created intellectually equal in that respect. They are all dispersed equally along the same normal distribution regardless whether their skin pigment is black, white, brown, yellow, red, olive or whatever other shade of human pigmentation there is.
#11. To: Willie Green (#0)
#12. To: Willie Green (#9)
#13. To: GrandIsland (#10)
I don't agree. Not everyone is capable of obtaining the same IQ given the same environmental circumstances.
We are not equal... we should not be treated as equals. Generally speaking, I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability. All
people races ARE created intellectually equal in that respect. They are all dispersed equally along the same normal distribution regardless whether their skin pigment is black, white, brown, yellow, red, olive or whatever other shade of human pigmentation there is.
#14. To: Willie Green (#13)
So speaking statistically, everybody as a group is equal ON AVERAGE, but everybody as individuals is different. And skin color doesn't indicate who is higher and who is lower.
#15. To: Willie Green (#13)
I don't believe skin pigment affects intellectual capability.
#16. To: Dead Culture Watch (#12)
What studies/books have you read that have formed your opinions on this subject?
#17. To: Willie Green (#16)
#18. To: GrandIsland (#14)
However, I still tend to disagree. I'd be willing to suggest that if you randomly picked 100 Asians from all over the USA and 100 black panthers from all over the USA, and tested them out, you'd be very disappointed in your "generally equal" results.
And why just pick IQ? What about DRIVE? What about AMBITION?
What about strength? agility?
#19. To: Dead Culture Watch (#17)
Umm, maybe you might wish to answer the question?
#20. To: Willie Green (#19)
#21. To: Willie Green, All (#0)
It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.”
#22. To: SOSO (#21)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
One good thing about the millennials. Is that they have no loyalty to D's or R's.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#8)
(Edited)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#26. To: Dead Culture Watch (#20)
Do you believe, that blacks and whites over the entirety of the population, are equally intelligent?
If so, what studies lead you to this?
#27. To: GrandIsland (#3)
Meaning, any liberal minded person that feels people are equal. They aren't. Are you one?
#28. To: Willie Green (#26)
Thomas Jefferson so wisely included in our Constitution.
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#28)
But I ain't ready to start pushing up daisys just yet...
#31. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
One must be able to distinguish between the two.
#32. To: VxH (#31)
That's more difficult to do when the technocracy operates in an occult (hidden from sight) and deceptive manner -- whether its the ancient Sun-princes bamboozling the sheeple by pretending to make the sun go dark after having mastered the ability to predict a solar eclipse, or High Frequency Trading on today's Wall Street, the attitude and moral defects are the same.
#33. To: Willie Green (#26)
m unaware of any credible study that proves there are IQ differences due to racial/ethnic biology.
#34. To: Dead Culture Watch (#33)
So if you believe they exist, why don't YOU go ahead and list them?
#35. To: Willie Green (#34)
#36. To: Dead Culture Watch (#35)
#37. To: rlk (#11)
From there they can take bullshit courses in chicano or black history and graduate.
#38. To: Willie Green (#36)
#39. To: Dead Culture Watch (#38)
It has just about everything to do with article YOU posted.
That has nothing to do with any absurd assertion that achievement is attributable to skin pigmentation.
#40. To: Willie Green (#39)
#41. To: Dead Culture Watch (#40)
During my lifetime, affirmative action has provided a noticeable improvement in minority achievement levels.
At the same time, there hasn't been much noticeable improvement in lower class whites, who seem to increasingly turn to drugs and blame their own lack of ambition on the government.
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