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Title: Temporary injunction bars man from lighting up inside his Washington home after neighbors sue
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/1 ... ide-his-washington-home-after/
Published: Mar 10, 2015
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2015-03-10 17:42:54 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 11377
Comments: 68
A temporary order by a Superior Court judge is keeping a man from smoking inside his home in the District of Columbia. WJLA-TV (http://bit.ly/1BrlPLl ) reports that Edwin Gray's next door neighbors in northeast Washington have filed a civil suit claiming they're being harmed by smoke that sneaks into their home through a hole in the basement. They are seeking an injunction and $500,000 in damages. A judge issued a temporary injunction last week saying neither Gray nor any family or guests may smoke in the home the family has owned for 50 years. Gray's sister, Mozella Johnson, says they will fight. In court filings and a statement, the neighbors say they tried to work with Johnson and Gray, and filed suit when mediation attempts failed.
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#29. To: TooConservative (#28)
I'm guessing that the kind and loving yuppie that filed this complaint to strike a blow for communal living everywhere (once we get rid of the darkies,of course)will soon be organizing his fellow trust fund explorers who are moving in to create one. I would live in a tent in the woods before I would have a Home Owners Committee of busy-body airhead lefties dictate to me how I have to live and think at home.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Many of these homeowners only lack the swastikas to qualify as Nazis. Very heavyhanded. Now and then, you see a few victories against these petty tyrants. My favorite is the one with Rick Perry, a comedy goldmine when he struck back at these busybodies over the small Jewish mezuzahs on doorposts, a very ancient Jewish custom. A 26-inch-long stone box—about six times bigger than the kind Jewish families typically use to affix a tiny Torah scroll to their doorframe—is being marketed as a Texas-sized “Rick Perry mezuzah.” The Rick Perry mezuzah and a regular one. (Mezuzah Store) Earlier this summer, the Texas governor signed a law protecting religious displays outside homes, inspired by the case of a Jewish couple in Houston asked by their homeowners association to take down their small mezuzah. MezuzahStore.com is honoring Perry by naming their largest mezuzah after him, designed to be just longer than the 24-inch allowance given by the new Texas law and costing $999. The store clarifies they do not endorse Perry, now a presidential candidate, but support the law and want to poke fun at the bigger-in-Texas stereotype. Mezuzot fulfill the Torah’s commandment to display God’s teachings on the doorpost of your homes. Perry topped off this feat by hosting a little Hannukah party where he held hands and danced with other dudes around the governor's desk a month later to celebrate on 9/27/2011. Gotta love how Texas increased the allowed mezuzah size to a whopping 24" and the Jewish mezuzah suppliers promptly introduced a 26" model named after Perry. Witty.
LOL, I remember you posting that vid back in 2012.
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1 Peter 1:23)
C'mon, this also makes Rick Perry the GOP's most gay-friendly candidate since Giuliani (who did slow-dance with one of the two gay guys he shacked up with when he left his wife and family, recall the photo from my Photobucket stash). None of the other 2016 GOP prospects are well-known for holding hands and dancing with other dudes. And on camera. It's a twofer, if not more. I dunno if Rick Perry would make a great president but he is a great guy.
Perry was good for Texas. Don't really think he wants to be POTUS. National campaigning would not be his strong suit as he is really a Texan and will say what he's thinking. That's radioactive for outside Texas politics.
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1 Peter 1:23)
Don't kid yourself. He's a born politician, just like Xlinton. Yes, he does want to be prez if he can only find a way to thread the needle.
I agree that Texas Home Owners Associations often behave like a bunch of jack-booted Nazis, but I don't know if I can honestly describe them as being politically "left wing" or "right wing." Seems to me like their more like sockpuppet employees of whatever real estate developer who built the community. Instead of having any truely elected local government, these petty tyrants settle neighborhood disputes involving loose dogs, junk cars in the driveway, unraked leaves, uncut grass, etc. etc. etc. So a lot depends on how pissy your neigbors are with the lawn ornaments. Some ornamentation is tasteful and blends with the style of the neighborhood, other ornamentation is tacky & tasteless and detracts from property values. And it's up to the unelected, real estate developers hired mignons to settle the disputes.
As with many things, you only hear about the really bad ones 'cause bad news sells.
When you purchase a home there, don't you have to sign an agreement promising to abide by the association rules? Certainly if you think you're moving in with a bunch of jack-booted Nazis you wouldn't buy the house to begin with. Then again, there's a least one poster on this forum who will buy the house then do whatever he wants. F**k the association and their unconstitutional, nanny-state rules. You don't tell him what to do!
Good for Perry!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It is a fun and funny anecdote. What a ham!
Ping!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
So what? Homosexuals aren't American citizens with the rights the rest of us are supposed to have? Pretty soon NONE of us are going to have any rights other than the "right" to follow orders if we don't start sticking together to support each other's rights as free citizens. Fragmented voting blocks that would rather see themselves harmed than see another group they don't like win a victory has always been the wet dream of potential dictators.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I was going more for light political humor with the Perry stuff than trying to debate broader issues. BTW, Neil fixed the pinglist #0 problem. Let us know if/when it blows up again. Hopefully, we'll finally track it down. So whatever you were trying to do with pinglists recently that didn't work, should now work again. If you make a change or add or delete a pinglist, watch to make sure that blank pinglist #0 doesn't reappear. If it does, make a note to Neil on exactly how it happened. That kind of info is valuable in tracking down software bugs.
*I* am NOT responsible for anyone else's property values and future potential profits. If you don't like the way I live,you shouldn't have bought a house close to me. If you did and I offends you,you have a perfect right to buy me out by making it worth my while to move. If that doesn't appeal to you,pack YOUR ass up and move. Please note that I have zero sympathy for people who knowingly bought property controlled by a homeowners organization. They knew what they were getting when they signed on the dotted line,and have no one to blame but themselves. I had a good friend that sold his paid off house in the early 80's,and used the entire amount as a downpayment on a quarter million dollar house in an exclusive neighborhood. I was visiting him one day and we got to talking about tv programs and he started talking about how unhappy he was with the local cable supplier,so I asked him why he didn't just get a sat dish. He told me the homeowners committee had banned sat dishes as well as antennas for esthetic reasons. It was thought they hurt property values. I then told him to just put the damn thing up in his back yard and nobody would know about it because it was fenced off by a tall wood fence in front,and in the back it was facing a lake over a half-mile wide. That's when he told me about his next door neighbor that had put up a clothes line in her back yard because she didn't like clothes driers and liked the way clothes smelled that dried in the sun. One of the alleged people that live in that development spotted her clothesline though the telescope he was using to view and take photos of the backyards of people across the lake from them not only ratted her out,but gave the board photos of the line with clothes on it. Instead of having this yahoo looked up as a peeping tom,they fined that woman and told her the fine would be repeated for every day the line was up starting on a certain date,and that if push came to shove they would force her to sell and move. To be honest I have zero sympathy for her because in MY mind she just encouraged this sort of shit when she signed the agreement so she would have the "privilege" of paying too much for upscale tract housing. I AM outraged that the goober across the lake wasn't arrested for being a peeping tom,though. You KNOW this guy was looking into fenced back yards to look at women and girls sunbathing with no clothes on,no matter how much he claimed he was working as a zoning Nazi in the public interest. IMHO,people whose back yards face a half-mile of open water and whose front and side yards are fenced off have a reasonable expectation of privacy,and that SOB was trespassing and peeping. I kinda pissed my friend off too,when I told him he knew about that crap when he bought the place,so he needed to live with that cable company and quit whining because he was getting what he had paid for.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
BTW,here is my back yard. My side yards have the same view. All you can see in the front yard is trees. To give you some perspective,my house is probably 100 feet away from the tall grass,that is between 5 and 6 feet tall. I was out in the yard cutting the tall grass down when I decided to take the photo with my smart phone. I get very few complaints from the neighbors.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
There is no such critter as a good one. You are empowering petty tyrants.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You just hate the idea that there is somebody who refuses to wear red,march in a straight line,and bow before the King,don't you? All those damn people out there,just running around and managing their own lives,with nobody in charge!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
My apologies. Sometimes it is hard to tell when somebody isn't serious in print. So whatever you were trying to do with pinglists recently that didn't work, should now work again. Thanks for the reminder. Neil pm'ed me earlier to let me know this. Now all I have to do is remember what I was trying to do. Don't hold your breath.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Hey... maybe I bought my house FIRST and YOU moved next door to ME. The homeowner's association gets pretty pissy about stuff like that... They'll come down on you a LOT harder than just nagging you about getting your lawn manicured properly.
Nothing changes. You are still free to sell out and move.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
LOL, good one!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
That's what happens when you live in a neighborhood that doesn't have zoning laws or a homeowners association to protect your propety value: some yayhoo ding-dong can move in next door and depreciate everybody's property by turning his own home into a rat-infested scrap yard, and there's nothing you can do about it lest he go waving his copy of the Constitution around in the air and barricade himself behind a pile of old rubber tires and start plinking at you with a surplus AK47 or AR15 assault rifle. There goes the neighborhood... damned if you do, damned if you don't... The homeowner's association is a minor nuisance... but overall, it's best to let them deal with the kooks instead of trying to reason with them yourself.
Years back, maybe even in the late Nineties, the courts ruled that apartment buildings could not prohibit individual satellite dishes in their rentals. I'm almost certain they applied the ruling to HMAs. So this was true at one time but no longer, I think. Even HMAs can't mess with Big Dish.
I would not live in a locale where I had to belong to a Homeowners Association.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I lived in one back when I was a working stiff and didn't have time for petty stuff and had no inkling to change my compliant townhome. It worked out fine for me back then, although I've read many horror stories where it didn't for some. I agree with you, now I wouldn't move into one of those HOA communities. But I understand why some people seek them out. One story I remember from a friend who lived in one of those HOA places. One of the neighbors had a classic type pickup truck...1950s model, fully restored and candy apple red...really nice looking vehicle. The problem was his HOA didn't allow pickup trucks in its parking lot with the exception of day workers (not residents). I'm not sure how that worked out for him.
Oh,yeah. DAMN those people who choose to be individuals and choose to live free without acknowledging any debt to others bank accounts! Why,I bet deys Birchers!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
That's good news. People should be free to pick and choose who they do business with.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Pinglist for those who "Are" mechanically inclined.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I would not live in a locale where I had to belong to a Homeowners Association. Homeowners associations only have power "IF" the county is willing to back their play, if not then they are only "trying" to blow smoke up your ass.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
There is a woody residential neighborhood near where I used to live that had a total of ZERO houses on it when I was growing up. The "road" was two tire tracks through the woods and dunes. Then it was developed as an exclusive "golf club neighborhood" for retired yankees,and things went all to hell. They even took over the local volunteer fire department when enough of them were members to vote to change the meetings to 1 PM on a weekday afternoon instead of at 7 PM at night,because it was more convenient for the retired people that didn't have to work. They incorporated and got state funds to pave the road and to their houses,and the next thing you know they passed a HOA order that banned pickup trucks. You could own one,but it had to stay parked inside your garage and out of sight or you could be fined 50 bucks for each violation. In the late 70's,early 80,s this was big money. They did make an exception for "contractor trucks" as long as it had commercial tags,signs on the doors,and they left immediately after delivering or repairing what they were there to deliver or repair. They even wrote a regulation against "contractor dogs" being allowed in the community,and the home or property owner would be fined is any were spotted. Lots of construction workers back then took their dogs to work with them,and the dogs mostly stayed in the trucks to guard their tools from other contractors. I went back to visit relatives in the late 80's,and decided to drive through that community instead of the more direct route,just to see the changes. Sure enough,I was stopped by a deputy that wanted to know where I was going and to tell me I was violating the law by driving my new Dodge pu down the paved road. I told him to kiss my big red ass because I was a taxpayer and the taxpayers paid to get that road paved,and I would drive down it any damn time I wanted,and just drove away and left him standing in the road. He KNEW he had no legal authority to prevent anyone from driving down a public road just because of the type of vehicle they were operating,and he knew he had no legal authority to issue a ticket that would result in a fine. He had no choice because the HOA basically paid his paycheck,and they were his bosses. It really is shocking some of the crap that people allow others to pull on them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
THANK YOU! Gear Heads ping list coming up!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Pinglist for those who "Are" mechanically inclined. Error: There were errors in saving your information: Ping List names cannot be blank. No changes have been saved ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! It got me again! The above message is what I get when I go to check on my ping lists,and despite what the message says the ping list WAS created but it has no name.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Maybe you should let someone else try to create the pinglists you want? BTW did you ping Neil to tell him you buggered up the pings again? :)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Works for me if it works for them as long as they make all subscribers co-owners. Why don't you try to create a "Gear Heads" ping list and see if it works for you? BTW did you ping Neil to tell him you buggered up the pings again? :) Yeah,but I didn't bugger it up.I just walked into it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Have you tried deleting the pinglist yourself? I've tried in the control panel and it won't let me do anything with that "Blank" pinglist but will let me modify any other one I want? Go figure. If you can't delete it we'll have to get Pinguinite to get rid of it. And then I'll try or have Pinguinite try making it and see what happens.
Yes,I have. I can't because it doesn't have a name,and apparently you have to name a ping list before you can delete it. Of course the software says you can't create a ping list that doesn't have a name,but that flat-out isn't true because it was the software itself both times that created the ping lists and deleted the names while doing so.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
TC said he found a glitch in the program when he was looking at it a few months ago but I thought Neil had fixed it. Or maybe there are a couple of glitches, who knows I'm not a computer programmer. I tried creating one too and got the same error message you got.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I tried creating one too and got the same error message you got. Thanks for the update. Now we know it's not a glitch on my computer.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
"Gear Heads" should be operational now. Let me know. The tech explanation: Apparently, from the earlier/preexisting glitch, "Gear Heads" was partially but not completely created, which caused the zero ping list number problem to recur. My removing it last time wasn't complete, and trying to recreate the exact same name coincidentally caused the zero ping list number issue to come back. I've some time this afternoon and am going to try to fix the root problem for this bugger....
Not all of them. They look like post-war row houses to me.
#30. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Willie Green (#29)
I would live in a tent in the woods before I would have a Home Owners Committee of busy-body airhead lefties dictate to me how I have to live and think at home.
‘Rick Perry mezuzah’ proves Jewish objects are also bigger in Texas
#31. To: TooConservative (#30)
#32. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#31)
(Edited)
#33. To: TooConservative (#32)
#34. To: redleghunter (#33)
Perry was good for Texas. Don't really think he wants to be POTUS.
#35. To: TooConservative (#30)
I would live in a tent in the woods before I would have a Home Owners Committee of busy-body airhead lefties dictate to me how I have to live and think at home.
Many of these homeowners only lack the swastikas to qualify as Nazis. Very heavyhanded.
Now and then, you see a few victories against these petty tyrants.
#36. To: Willie Green (#35)
I agree that Texas Home Owners Associations often behave like a bunch of jack-booted Nazis, but I don't know if I can honestly describe them as being politically "left wing" or "right wing."
#37. To: Willie Green (#35)
"these petty tyrants settle neighborhood disputes involving loose dogs, junk cars in the driveway, unraked leaves, uncut grass, etc. etc. etc."
#38. To: TooConservative (#30)
#39. To: sneakypete (#38)
#40. To: TooConservative, *Religious History and Issues* (#30)
My favorite is the one with Rick Perry, a comedy goldmine when he struck back at these busybodies over the small Jewish mezuzahs on doorposts, a very ancient Jewish custom.
#41. To: TooConservative (#32)
(Edited)
C'mon, this also makes Rick Perry the GOP's most gay-friendly candidate since Giuliani
#42. To: sneakypete (#41)
(Edited)
*Religious History and Issues*
#43. To: Willie Green (#35)
Some ornamentation is tasteful and blends with the style of the neighborhood, other ornamentation is tacky & tasteless and detracts from property values.
#44. To: Willie Green (#35)
(Edited)
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/679/aTYol4.jpg
#45. To: TooConservative (#36)
As with many things, you only hear about the really bad ones 'cause bad news sells.
#46. To: misterwhite (#37)
Then again, there's a least one poster on this forum who will buy the house then do whatever he wants. F**k the association and their unconstitutional, nanny-state rules. You don't tell him what to do!
#47. To: TooConservative (#42)
I was going more for light political humor with the Perry stuff than trying to debate broader issues.
#48. To: sneakypete (#43)
*I* am NOT responsible for anyone else's property values and future potential profits.
If you don't like the way I live,you shouldn't have bought a house close to me.
And maybe YOU'RE the one devaluing the neighborhood's property values because YOU'RE the one operating a auto repair shop out of your garage and it's strictly a residential neighborhood.
#49. To: Willie Green (#48)
Hey... maybe I bought my house FIRST and YOU moved next door to ME.
#50. To: GrandIsland (#15)
" If my neighbor came over and ordered that... his wife would be reporting him missing by morning. "
#51. To: sneakypete (#49)
Nothing changes. You are still free to sell out and move.
#52. To: sneakypete (#43)
(Edited)
I was visiting him one day and we got to talking about tv programs and he started talking about how unhappy he was with the local cable supplier,so I asked him why he didn't just get a sat dish. He told me the homeowners committee had banned sat dishes as well as antennas for esthetic reasons.
#53. To: Willie Green, sneakypete (#48)
" The homeowner's association gets pretty pissy about stuff like that
#54. To: Stoner (#53)
#55. To: Willie Green (#51)
there's nothing you can do about it lest he go waving his copy of the Constitution around in the air and barricade himself behind a pile of old rubber tires and start plinking at you with a surplus AK47 or AR15 assault rifle.
#56. To: TooConservative (#52)
Years back, maybe even in the late Nineties, the courts ruled that apartment buildings could not prohibit individual satellite dishes in their rentals. I'm almost certain they applied the ruling to HMAs. So this was true at one time but no longer, I think.
#57. To: sneakypete (#47)
Thanks for the reminder. Neil pm'ed me earlier to let me know this. Now all I have to do is remember what I was trying to do.
#58. To: Stoner, Willie Green, sneakypete (#53)
The homeowner's association gets pretty pissy about stuff like that
#59. To: Fred Mertz (#54)
One story I remember from a friend who lived in one of those HOA places. One of the neighbors had a classic type pickup truck...1950s model, fully restored and candy apple red...really nice looking vehicle. The problem was his HOA didn't allow pickup trucks in its parking lot with the exception of day workers (not residents). I'm not sure how that worked out for him.
#60. To: CZ82 (#57)
Pinglist for those who "Are" mechanically inclined.
#61. To: CZ82 (#57)
Thanks for the reminder. Neil pm'ed me earlier to let me know this. Now all I have to do is remember what I was trying to do.
#62. To: sneakypete (#61)
#63. To: CZ82 (#62)
Maybe you should let someone else try to create the pinglists you want?
#64. To: sneakypete, Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#61)
#65. To: Devil Anse, Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#64)
Have you tried deleting the pinglist yourself?
#66. To: sneakypete (#65)
(Edited)
#67. To: CZ82, Pinguinite, A K A Stone, too conservative (#66)
TC said he found a glitch in the program when he was looking at it a few months ago but I thought Neil had fixed it. Or maybe there are a couple of glitches, who knows I'm not a computer programmer.
#68. To: sneakypete, TooConservative (#67)
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