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Title: Temporary injunction bars man from lighting up inside his Washington home after neighbors sue
Source: FoxNews
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/1 ... ide-his-washington-home-after/
Published: Mar 10, 2015
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2015-03-10 17:42:54 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 11182
Comments: 68

A temporary order by a Superior Court judge is keeping a man from smoking inside his home in the District of Columbia.

WJLA-TV (http://bit.ly/1BrlPLl ) reports that Edwin Gray's next door neighbors in northeast Washington have filed a civil suit claiming they're being harmed by smoke that sneaks into their home through a hole in the basement. They are seeking an injunction and $500,000 in damages.

A judge issued a temporary injunction last week saying neither Gray nor any family or guests may smoke in the home the family has owned for 50 years. Gray's sister, Mozella Johnson, says they will fight.

In court filings and a statement, the neighbors say they tried to work with Johnson and Gray, and filed suit when mediation attempts failed.

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#4. To: cranky (#0)

Nuisance theory. You can do what you want on your property, but not if it creates a nuisance for your neighbors.

In this case, it sounds like a complete breakdown of communications between warring neighbors. If smoke is coming through a hole in the basement, then the hole needs to be plugged, obviously.

They went to mediation, but apparently could not agree on it. It's not hard to guess why: Gray and Johnson have been living there for 50 years, are older, and come from an era when cigarette smoke was not considered a nuisance.

Times have changed, and now it is, and they're not going to get "grandfathered in" on it, because it's a recognized health issue.

They almost certainly took the: "our home, we've been there, we don't have to do anything, too expensive to plug, unreasonable to ask us" approach. They would have certainly won the case 50 years ago, or 30, or 20. But today?

No. Today, cigarette smoke is considered a carcinogen, and those who are generating it will be found to have the abatement responsibility.

Gray and Johnson have already lost, and they'll keep on losing here.

My own personal opinion? The obvious answer: Johnson and Gray should remediate by plugging the holes, at their expense. An objective third party tester should conduct tests to ensure the remediation is effective, and then that's that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-10   18:15:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#4) (Edited)

In this case, it sounds like a complete breakdown of communications between warring neighbors. If smoke is coming through a hole in the basement, then the hole needs to be plugged, obviously.

I've dealt with this bullshit, often. Most people like this hate each other and any kind of communication or reason is fruitless.

This complaining neighbor must feel that his neighbors deed must dictate no smoking, for his benefit. How arrogant.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-10   18:56:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#8)

I've dealt with this bullshit, often. Most people like this hate each other and any kind of communication or reason is fruitless.

The court should be wise enough to force both parties to pay for plugging the holes.

My guess is the court will want to intervene to punish any smokers and to lay down precedents for further regulation of homes by courts.

BigGov wants inside your front door.

Where are all the libs screaming about the government in their bedrooms? Apparently, that doesn't count when they don't want it to.

Of course, it's a craphole Blue dominion so they'll go for intrusiveness. It would be a different story in most Red states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-10   19:34:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#17)

The court should be wise enough to force both parties to pay for plugging the holes.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong,but don't stacked boxes like that have Homeowners organizations that collect monthly dues to do repairs to common areas?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-11   0:28:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#26)

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong,but don't stacked boxes like that have Homeowners organizations that collect monthly dues to do repairs to common areas?

Not all of them. They look like post-war row houses to me.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-11   5:48:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TooConservative (#28)

Not all of them. They look like post-war row houses to me.

I'm guessing that the kind and loving yuppie that filed this complaint to strike a blow for communal living everywhere (once we get rid of the darkies,of course)will soon be organizing his fellow trust fund explorers who are moving in to create one.

I would live in a tent in the woods before I would have a Home Owners Committee of busy-body airhead lefties dictate to me how I have to live and think at home.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-11   9:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Willie Green (#29)

I would live in a tent in the woods before I would have a Home Owners Committee of busy-body airhead lefties dictate to me how I have to live and think at home.

Many of these homeowners only lack the swastikas to qualify as Nazis. Very heavyhanded.

Now and then, you see a few victories against these petty tyrants.

My favorite is the one with Rick Perry, a comedy goldmine when he struck back at these busybodies over the small Jewish mezuzahs on doorposts, a very ancient Jewish custom.

Houston Chronicle, June 2011

‘Rick Perry mezuzah’ proves Jewish objects are also bigger in Texas

A 26-inch-long stone box—about six times bigger than the kind Jewish families typically use to affix a tiny Torah scroll to their doorframe—is being marketed as a Texas-sized “Rick Perry mezuzah.”
Rick
Perry Mezuzah

The Rick Perry mezuzah and a regular one. (Mezuzah Store)

Earlier this summer, the Texas governor signed a law protecting religious displays outside homes, inspired by the case of a Jewish couple in Houston asked by their homeowners association to take down their small mezuzah.

MezuzahStore.com is honoring Perry by naming their largest mezuzah after him, designed to be just longer than the 24-inch allowance given by the new Texas law and costing $999.

The store clarifies they do not endorse Perry, now a presidential candidate, but support the law and want to poke fun at the bigger-in-Texas stereotype.

Mezuzot fulfill the Torah’s commandment to display God’s teachings on the doorpost of your homes.

Perry topped off this feat by hosting a little Hannukah party where he held hands and danced with other dudes around the governor's desk a month later to celebrate on 9/27/2011.

Gotta love how Texas increased the allowed mezuzah size to a whopping 24" and the Jewish mezuzah suppliers promptly introduced a 26" model named after Perry. Witty.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-11   9:46:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative (#30)

LOL, I remember you posting that vid back in 2012.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-11   9:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#31) (Edited)

C'mon, this also makes Rick Perry the GOP's most gay-friendly candidate since Giuliani (who did slow-dance with one of the two gay guys he shacked up with when he left his wife and family, recall the photo from my Photobucket stash).

None of the other 2016 GOP prospects are well-known for holding hands and dancing with other dudes. And on camera.

It's a twofer, if not more.

I dunno if Rick Perry would make a great president but he is a great guy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-11   10:26:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TooConservative (#32) (Edited)

C'mon, this also makes Rick Perry the GOP's most gay-friendly candidate since Giuliani

So what? Homosexuals aren't American citizens with the rights the rest of us are supposed to have?

Pretty soon NONE of us are going to have any rights other than the "right" to follow orders if we don't start sticking together to support each other's rights as free citizens.

Fragmented voting blocks that would rather see themselves harmed than see another group they don't like win a victory has always been the wet dream of potential dictators.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-11   14:00:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sneakypete (#41) (Edited)

I was going more for light political humor with the Perry stuff than trying to debate broader issues.

*Religious History and Issues*

BTW, Neil fixed the pinglist #0 problem. Let us know if/when it blows up again. Hopefully, we'll finally track it down.

So whatever you were trying to do with pinglists recently that didn't work, should now work again. If you make a change or add or delete a pinglist, watch to make sure that blank pinglist #0 doesn't reappear. If it does, make a note to Neil on exactly how it happened. That kind of info is valuable in tracking down software bugs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-11   14:02:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: TooConservative (#42)

I was going more for light political humor with the Perry stuff than trying to debate broader issues.

My apologies. Sometimes it is hard to tell when somebody isn't serious in print.

So whatever you were trying to do with pinglists recently that didn't work, should now work again.

Thanks for the reminder. Neil pm'ed me earlier to let me know this. Now all I have to do is remember what I was trying to do.

Don't hold your breath.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-11   14:39:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#47)

Thanks for the reminder. Neil pm'ed me earlier to let me know this. Now all I have to do is remember what I was trying to do.

Pinglist for those who "Are" mechanically inclined.

CZ82  posted on  2015-03-11   17:51:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: CZ82 (#57)

Thanks for the reminder. Neil pm'ed me earlier to let me know this. Now all I have to do is remember what I was trying to do.

Pinglist for those who "Are" mechanically inclined.

Error: There were errors in saving your information:

Ping List names cannot be blank.

No changes have been saved

ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! It got me again! The above message is what I get when I go to check on my ping lists,and despite what the message says the ping list WAS created but it has no name.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-11   18:12:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: sneakypete (#61)

Maybe you should let someone else try to create the pinglists you want?

BTW did you ping Neil to tell him you buggered up the pings again? :)

CZ82  posted on  2015-03-13   15:46:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: CZ82 (#62)

Maybe you should let someone else try to create the pinglists you want?

Works for me if it works for them as long as they make all subscribers co-owners.

Why don't you try to create a "Gear Heads" ping list and see if it works for you?

BTW did you ping Neil to tell him you buggered up the pings again? :)

Yeah,but I didn't bugger it up.I just walked into it.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-13   18:44:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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