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Title: No, a public university may not expel students for racist speech
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URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ ... el-students-for-racist-speech/
Published: Mar 10, 2015
Author: Eugene Volokh
Post Date: 2015-03-10 12:28:51 by A K A Stone
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Views: 6812
Comments: 43

Some Oklahoma University students in the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity were videorecorded singing (as best I and others can tell),

There will never be a nigger at SAE There will never be a nigger at SAE You can hang him from a tree But he’ll never sign with me There will never be a nigger at SAE

Oklahoma University president David Boren said, “If I’m allowed to, these students will face suspension or expulsion.” But he is not, I think, allowed to do that.

1. First, racist speech is constitutionally protected, just as is expression of other contemptible ideas; and universities may not discipline students based on their speech. That has been the unanimous view of courts that have considered campus speech codes and other campus speech restrictions — see here for some citations. The same, of course, is true for fraternity speech, racist or otherwise; see Iota Xi Chapter of Sigma Chi Fraternity v. George Mason University (4th Cir. 1993). (I set aside the separate question of student speech that is evaluated as part of coursework or class participation, which necessary must be evaluated based on its content; this speech clearly doesn’t qualify.)

2. Likewise, speech doesn’t lose its constitutionally protection just because it refers to violence — “You can hang him from a tree,” “the capitalists will be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes,” “by any means necessary” with pictures of guns, “apostates from Islam should be killed.”

3. To be sure, in specific situations, such speech might fall within a First Amendment exception. One example is if it is likely to be perceived as a “true threat” of violence (e.g., saying “apostates from Islam will be killed” or “we’ll hang you from a tree” to a particular person who will likely perceive it as expressing the speaker’s intention to kill him); but that’s not the situation here, where the speech wouldn’t have been taken by any listener as a threat against him or her. Another is if it intended to solicit a criminal act, or to create a conspiracy to commit a criminal act, but, vile as the “hang him from a tree” is, neither of these exceptions are applicable here, either.

4. Some people have suggested that the speech may be evidence of discriminatory decisionmaking by the fraternity in admitting members. A university may demand that groups to which it provides various benefits not discriminate in admissions. See Christian Legal Society v. Martinez (2010). Indeed, nondiscrimination rules are applicable to groups generally, even apart from any benefits they get; much depends on whether the groups are seen as small and selective enough to be covered by a right to “intimate association,” and on whether apply antidiscrimination law to the groups would interfere with the groups’ expression of their ideas, and thus burden their right to “expressive associations.” See Roberts v. U.S. Jaycees (1983); Boy Scouts of America v. Dale (2000). The university might thus be able to discipline students who (a) are involved in a fraternity’s admissions decisions, and (b) can be shown to have denied membership to people based on race, or intentionally tried to communicate to potential members that they would deny them membership that way. I don’t think that a discussion saying that discrimination ought to take place, or even that at some unspecified time it will take place, would suffice to constitute a violation of the antidiscrimination rules, though it might be used as evidence in a future case where discrimination against a particular applicant might be alleged.

But even if the group is found to have discriminated against black applicants, and some particular members were found to have participated in that decision, the penalty for that has to be based on the penalties that are actually meted out to people who violate this rule. If discrimination by a group generally leads to a fine against the group, or a reprimand of the participants, or even derecognition of the group, the university can’t then expel students who engage in the same action but who also engage in constitutionally protected speech — that sort of disparate treatment shows that the school is really punishing people for their speech, not for their conduct.

This is a familiar principle from antidiscrimination law: if a black student is expelled based on conduct for which white students are generally just mildly reprimanded, the law recognizes that the expulsion was based on the student’s race, not just the student’s punishable conduct. The conduct in that situation is being used in large part as a pretext for race discrimination. Likewise, if SAE members are expelled based on conduct for which people who didn’t engage in SAE’s speech would generally just be mildly reprimanded, the expulsion would be based on the speech, not the members’ punishable conduct, which would just be pretext for punishing students for the ideas they were expressing to each other.

5. Of course, this just applies to the university. It certainly makes sense that the national fraternity may suspend the student chapter, and that other fraternity or sorority organizations refuse to deal with the chapter (or even its students). Fraternities, at least in principle, aim to promote certain principles of morality and behavior, such as the national SAE’s True Gentleman creed:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

SAE may quite rightly insist that people who so sharply depart from such principles no longer use SAE’s name. (I don’t think a university may suspend a fraternity just based on its speech, but that question is likely rendered moot by national SAE’s actions here.) Likewise, I imagine that the fraternity members’ speech will more generally affect their social lives and their professional lives, as some people choose not to do business with them in the future. (In some states, even private employers are limited in their ability to discriminate against employees or job applicants based on their speech, but that’s true only in some states and generally only as to employment; and, rightly or wrongly, such discrimination often happens without the applicant’s even knowing that it’s happening.) How long this sort of misbehavior should dog a person is an interesting ethical question, but in any event it’s pretty clear that the offending students are going to pay a substantial social and likely economic price for their actions.

Under the First Amendment, though, the government — including Oklahoma University — generally cannot add to this price, whether the offensive speech is racist, religiously bigoted, pro-revolutionary, or expressive of any other viewpoint, however repugnant it might be.

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The university did just expel those students.

So, as an act of power, they certainly can do it.

Now, the question is whether they can make it stick. And the answer is: probably. For what can the students do to force their way back in, other than sue?

And when they do, that will be the center of attention on them for the next 5 years. If they take the expulsion and disappear, they will be able to rehabilitate themselves somewhere, eventually. But if they sue, then this event will be the center of their lives for the next several years, and their chances of ever overcoming it will be vastly diminished.

So, they've been expelled, and they won't sue, and that will be that.

There will be no civil rights organization ready to take on THIS tar-baby of a case.

Constitutional? Unconstitutional? It will never be tested in court. Fait accompli: the students are expelled, and that is that.

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I'm sure the school has a code of conduct which addresses this. Based on that, the expulsions will stick.

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I'm sure the school has a code of conduct which addresses this. Based on that, the expulsions will stick.

I would be more precise and say "Based on that, the expulsions will cite to a written code." I would say "Based on the students' lack of challenge, the expulsions will stick".

IF the students stood up full-throated, hired lawyers and fought to the death, they could probably overturn the convictions. They sang a song at a private function. It was an expression of free speech. The University is public. It can write rules saying that it can retaliate against disfavored speech, but the students could challenge that in federal court, and win on the First Amendment before the Supremes (assuming that there were judges willing to take the case).

The price of their "victory" would be lifetime name recognition, lifetime unemployment. The price to their families would be massive legal bills: no organization will take this case pro-bono: the students are students. So their parents would have to bear the full legal cost of fighting to "make a point"...and that point is? That people can't be outright expelled for singing nasty racist doggerel.

To fight this would probably eventually mean winning it, and that would probably be the ultimate Pyrrhic victory. You get to go back to a second-rate school to pay for a diploma you'll never be able to use, because nobody is ever going to hire you.

Far better to capitulate and disappear, than you blazon your name in lights and be all over the news, by name and face, for the next five years.

Worse, you'll have to keep apologizing for what you sang over and over again. The students probably didn't mean it, not to the depths their mere words would indicate. So they would have to crawl through the gutter of self-accusation for years and years to argue that they shouldn't be expelled from a second-rate school for a stupid mistake.

Or they would have to light themselves on fire and become radical racists, trying to get the sympathy of the Stormfront crowd. There are a couple of folks here on LF who would enthusiastically root for them...but not so much that they'd send actually MONEY to their legal defense fund.

In 2015, if you're going to exult in old-style racism, you should expect to be destroyed if you get heard, because you will be, and nobody is going to rally to your defense in any meaningful way.

If we had not killed a million people in a civil war over slavery, and if we had not sicced dogs and turned firehoses on peaceful black marchers and had Senate filibusters against black voting rights, in our lifetimes, this would not be the toxic plutonium waste of an issue that it is.

But we did. A lot of blood was shed, a lot of lives were damaged, and the victors of this fight in America are no more going to let the losers of that fight get back up and express themselves publicly than the Jews are going to let the Nazis do it. Nazis and American Black-haters fall into the same category: the designated Scum of the Earth, never, ever, EVER to be allowed so much as a shred of dignity, or even humorous regard, in the lands they devastated again. Americans poke fun at Nazis, because we beat them. But Nazis don't get to be anything other than invisible in Germany. Same thing with Black haters in America. They still exist, and there is no sense of humor about that in this society, particularly not when it's whites (and particularly Southern or rural whites) doing it.

And most especially when the "humor" is a white inside joke that is actually meant to, subtly, make the point that something is still a whites-only preserve. That flag doesn't get to be flown in America any more. Germans are prohibited from having Nazi paraphernalia of any kind. Their are not prohibited to let their minds go THERE. Americans are no PROHIBITED from letting little glimpses of that past shown, but anybody who is damnfool enough to do it who gets caught is publicly beaten with a tire iron, and NOBODY will come to his defense.

History has consequences. Slavery and segregation killed a lot of people and destroyed a lot of lives. One side lost, and the winners have no sense of humor about it whatsoever. This will not change until the generation that actually LIVED THROUGH SEGREGATION, which is still very much alive (and middle aged) has passed on, and their children have passed on. In the third or fourth generation hence, humor will return. Today, the wounds are too fresh to too many living people. It was a real blood and guns war, with lots of death and suffering, the winners are still alive, so are the losers, and the winners are never, ever, ever going to let the losers get back up.

There are still living Nazis in Germany. And those people will submerge that aspect of themselves for the rest of their lives. They shall not express it. They shall, in fact, SUBMIT their personal political views, utterly, to the force of the winners, just exactly as THEY made the people THEY dominated submit. The difference is that the Nazis lost for good, and will NEVER be allowed back up off of their supine, living-at-suffrance position of subordinated, silenced inferior scum until their last breath.

Same thing with American racists. The country went through too much on account of those scum. Whenever they or their kids ever show their heads, they will be beaten down, and to death if necessary, to make the point that there is, in FACT, NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH for THAT position. There was no freedom for slaves, despite the Constitution, and there is not, IN FACT, freedom of speech for people who hate and denigrate Blacks. And there never will be again. Once upon a time, they ruled, like Nazis. Now, like Nazis, they are defeated, and they will be held down, in submission, and beaten into silence ever single time they ever open their mouths.

War has consequences. The US Constitution itself, the Constitution of 1787, did not survive the Civil War that ended slavery. And the post-Civil War settlement of States Rights that allowed oppression that stopped short of slavery, only held for one more centuries.

After all of that struggle, and all of that bitterness, the victors are as bitter as the losers, and are every bit as determined to enforce THEIR will on the defeated as Bull Connor or any overseer ever was at enforcing his on the people whom they viewed as their inferiors. The two sides hate each other, one side won a two century struggle, many survivors of the fight are still alive.

There is no humor on matters of white racism towards blacks, and there isn't going to be, ever again, as long as we live. Some white fools need to periodically be legally lynched to remind the whites who think that way they they will stay in line or die.

That's the way it is. I cannot look at it and truly say that it is unjustified. It's revenge. Not Christian. But then again, boasting about keeping blacks out of a university club isn't Christian either.

I do feel sorry for the kids. They made a dumb mistake, and now their lives will not rise to the potential they had before. But that's true of anybody who plays with fire. If some German just loves swastikas because he finds them "artistic", he had damned well better learn to suppress his artistic proclivities, because his society will destroy him for it.

America used to destroy uppity blacks - with nooses, fire and dogs. Today, American destroys racist whites. The blacks were held down for 350 years. The racist whites have only been held down for about 30. Nobody alive will ever live in a time when white racists have freedom of speech again. It will be over a century. The First Amendment does not apply to white racist speech. Anybody who thinks differently is welcome to step up and be lynched: uppity white racists get legally lynched, as an example to the rest to SHUT UP.

That's the way it is. It is unconstitutional - technically. The Constitution did not save the blacks from the whites. The Constitution if fact offers no real protection to white racists, and it never will again. Ever.

The white racists lost, like the Nazis, and their nose will be ground back into the shit of their own defeat every single time they ever are stupid enough to stick it up again.

This is so. And it will not change. Those kids must not fight. They must be contrite. And they must build their lives anew, never going down that stupid path again - just like any other convict of a serious crime. Make no mistake: being an overtly racist white is as serious a social crime in America as being an uppity black was in the days of segregation. Racist whites are legally lynched, and they have no sanctuary. The wheel has turned, and it will not turn back - because the Mexicans don't care.

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