[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

"International court’s attack on Israel a sign of the free world’s moral collapse"

"Pete Hegseth Is Right for the DOD"

"Why Our Constitution Secures Liberty, Not Democracy"

Woodworking and Construction Hacks

"CNN: Reporters Were Crying and Hugging in the Hallways After Learning of Matt Gaetz's AG Nomination"

"NEW: Democrat Officials Move to Steal the Senate Race in Pennsylvania, Admit to Breaking the Law"

"Pete Hegseth Is a Disruptive Choice for Secretary of Defense. That’s a Good Thing"

Katie Britt will vote with the McConnell machine

Battle for Senate leader heats up — Hit pieces coming from Thune and Cornyn.

After Trump’s Victory, There Can Be No Unity Without A Reckoning

Vivek Ramaswamy, Dark-horse Secretary of State Candidate

Megyn Kelly has a message for Democrats. Wait for the ending.

Trump to choose Tom Homan as his “Border Czar”

"Trump Shows Demography Isn’t Destiny"

"Democrats Get a Wake-Up Call about How Unpopular Their Agenda Really Is"

Live Election Map with ticker shows every winner.

Megyn Kelly Joins Trump at His Final PA Rally of 2024 and Explains Why She's Supporting Him

South Carolina Lawmaker at Trump Rally Highlights Story of 3-Year-Old Maddie Hines, Killed by Illegal Alien

GOP Demands Biden, Harris Launch Probe into Twice-Deported Illegal Alien Accused of Killing Grayson Davis

Previously-Deported Illegal Charged With Killing Arkansas Children’s Hospital Nurse in Horror DUI Crash

New Data on Migrant Crime Rates Raises Eyebrows, Alarms

Thousands of 'potentially fraudulent voter registration applications' Uncovered, Stopped in Pennsylvania

Michigan Will Count Ballot of Chinese National Charged with Voting Illegally

"It Did Occur" - Kentucky County Clerk Confirms Voting Booth 'Glitch'' Shifted Trump Votes To Kamala

Legendary Astronaut Buzz Aldrin 'wholeheartedly' Endorses Donald Trump

Liberal Icon Naomi Wolf Endorses Trump: 'He's Being More Inclusive'

(Washed Up Has Been) Singer Joni Mitchell Screams 'F*** Trump' at Hollywood Bowl

"Analysis: The Final State of the Presidential Race"

He’ll, You Pieces of Garbage

The Future of Warfare -- No more martyrdom!

"Kamala’s Inane Talking Points"

"The Harris Campaign Is Testament to the Toxicity of Woke Politics"

Easy Drywall Patch

Israel Preparing NEW Iran Strike? Iran Vows “Unimaginable” Response | Watchman Newscast

In Logansport, Indiana, Kids are Being Pushed Out of Schools After Migrants Swelled County’s Population by 30%: "Everybody else is falling behind"

Exclusive — Bernie Moreno: We Spend $110,000 Per Illegal Migrant Per Year, More than Twice What ‘the Average American Makes’

Florida County: 41 of 45 People Arrested for Looting after Hurricanes Helene and Milton are Noncitizens

Presidential race: Is a Split Ticket the only Answer?

hurricanes and heat waves are Worse

'Backbone of Iran's missile industry' destroyed by IAF strikes on Islamic Republic

Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

IDF raids Hezbollah Radwan Forces underground bases, discovers massive cache of weapons

Gallant: ‘After we strike in Iran,’ the world will understand all of our training

The Atlantic Hit Piece On Trump Is A Psy-Op To Justify Post-Election Violence If Harris Loses

Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas, PIJ terrorists

Judge Aileen Cannon, who tossed Trump's classified docs case, on list of proposed candidates for attorney general

Iran's Assassination Program in Europe: Europe Goes Back to Sleep

Susan Olsen says Brady Bunch revival was cancelled because she’s MAGA.

Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report

Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence.


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Health/Medical
See other Health/Medical Articles

Title: Judge to jail West Boynton mom unless she signs consent for son's circumcision
Source: Sun Sentinel
URL Source: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/p ... e-in-court-20150306-story.html
Published: Mar 8, 2015
Author: Marc Freeman
Post Date: 2015-03-08 13:54:36 by Hondo68
Keywords: intactivists, received death threats, 2012 parenting plan
Views: 6230
Comments: 28

There was a hearing in Palm Beach County court Friday between parents fighting over their 4-year-old son's circumcision. The father wants the procedure done, but the mother does not.

  • Judge calls circumcision safe, orders mom to bring child to court by Tuesday
  • Boca Raton dad testifies boy's mother abducted child to avoid circumcision
  • West Boynton mother of 4-year-old boy held in contempt of court in circumcision battle

    A West Boynton mom is now under court orders to let her 4-year-old son be circumcised, or she will be jailed.

    Palm Beach County Circuit Judge Jeffrey Dana Gillen on Friday said Heather Hironimus is in contempt of court for violating a 2012 parenting plan with the boy's father that authorizes the circumcision, and for recently disappearing with the child.

    After dad, Dennis Nebus, of Boca Raton, testified he can't find his son, the judge told the mom's just-hired new attorney that she has until 2 p.m. Tuesday to appear in his courtroom with the child or the judge will sign a warrant for her arrest.


    Dennis Nebus, of Boca Raton, testifies in a Palm Beach County court hearing. Nebus and the mother of his son are in a court battle over whether the 4-year-old should be circumcised. Nebus wants the procedure done, while the mother, Heather Hironimus, does not. (Carline Jean, Sun Sentinel)

    Gillen said it was "reprehensible" that Hironimus — who violated an order to appear in court Friday with the child — has kept the boy's location hidden from the father since Feb. 20, as he was making arrangements with a Broward doctor to remove the child's foreskin.

    "I will allow her to avoid incarceration or get out of jail if she signs the consent to the procedure," Gillen told attorney Thomas Hunker, who said he doesn't know where his client is.

    The judge also ordered the media not to release the name of the child, and also asked reporters to be "sensitive" about identifying the parents, "Not in deference to me, but in deference to the protection of the individuals involved."

    Attorneys for the Sun Sentinel filed an emergency motion seeking to vacate the order as unconstitutional. A different circuit judge, Moses Baker Jr., denied the motion, ruling it did not fit the definition of an emergency because it didn't involve "matters of life and death or instances of irreparable harm."

    The high-profile court battle between the parents has attracted an army of special interest groups opposed to circumcision. These so-called "intactivists" have mounted a social media campaign and staged protests outside medical offices in Plantation and West Boynton, and on Friday, outside the county courthouse in Delray Beach.

    David Wilson, the Cocoa Beach-based founder of a group called Stop Infant Circumcision Society, has been following the case and was quick to blast the judge's ruling.

    "This child is healthy and happy and doesn't want his [penis] cut as his dad has told him he was going to do," Wilson said. "It is utter insanity for our courts to order the sexual mutilation of this child."

    Gillen Friday said Hironimus had willfully violated the parenting plan — which she initially agreed to — that made the father responsible for arranging the circumcision.

    The judge also said the mom had worked with the circumcision opposition groups to have her child's photos and name "plastered all over the Internet" in a "direct, contemptous violation of this court's orders."

    After a state appellate court in December held up Gillen's earlier ruling enforcing the parenting plan, the judge instructed Hironimus and Nebus to "protect the child from any exploitation" by making efforts to "hide and/or conceal from the public, the child's identity and his relation to the legal proceedings between the parties."

    The father said he decided to pursue the circumcision in December 2013 when the boy was 3, after noticing his son was urinating on his leg. The father on Friday said the boy's pediatrician had diagnosed a condition called phimosis, which prevents retraction of the foreskin.

    In May, Judge Gillen ordered the mother to comply with the signed plan and circumcision, and he warned her not to tell her son she was against the procedure.

    Nebus said the mother has frightened the boy.

    "My son has mentioned things to me that he's scared to have his penis cut off," he testified Friday.

    The mother has argued the circumcision is not medically necessary, and she challenged Gillen's May order in the 4th District Court of Appeal in West Palm Beach. The appellate court upheld Gillen's decision without comment.

    Attorneys for both the mother and father have since filing competing court pleadings requesting that the judge rule in their favor. The mother last month filed a request for an injunction to block the circumcision, which was immediately denied.

    "There is no reason this case has to have gone this far, under these circumstances, drawing this much attention to a little boy," Gillen said Friday. "There is just no reason."

    The most recent federal statistics indicate circumcision is waning in popularity across the country, but a national pediatricians' group says the health benefits of the procedure for newborn males are greater than the risks.

    During the hearing, Gillen also endorsed circumcision, saying males who have had it performed were virtually protected from getting penile cancer, and had less of a chance of getting sexually-transmitted diseases. The judge also noted the procedure is "very, very safe" for someone the boy's age.

    "I would like to facilitate the surgery for my son," Nebus told the judge, adding that he's received death threats over his intentions.

    The father testified that opponents have also threatened and staged protests against two doctors who had agreed to circumcize his son. The procedure has yet to be scheduled.

    Nebus said the boy's mother told him she's "going to do whatever she can to stop it."

    May L. Cain, the father's attorney, said it's clear "there is an ongoing crime being committed here by the mother, which is an interference to a custody order of this court."

    Hunker, the mom's attorney, said he was retained only on Thursday and was limited in his ability to argue on her behalf. The judge Friday excused her previous attorney, Taryn Sinatra, who had cited differences with Hironimus.

    "I'm at a loss here because I don't have my client," Hunker told the judge, promising to try to find her and get her back into court.

    After the hearing, he told a reporter, "We're just concerned with the child's physical, mental, and emotional well-being."


Poster Comment:

Attorneys for the Sun Sentinel filed an emergency motion seeking to vacate the order as unconstitutional
Apparently the Sun Sentinel is also anti-circumcision ("intactivists"). It's NOT sexual mutilation. (1 image)

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Apparently the Sun Sentinel is also anti-circumcision ("intactivists"). It's NOT sexual mutilation.

For girls it certainly is. For boys, it's a subjective call, and not one to impose on a parent.

There's nothing wrong with a rule that says that both parents must agree in order for the procedure to be done. Such a rule solves the vast majority of problems, including the whole issue about publicity being drawn to the child.

There is no reason for this to be forced. A circumcision can always be done later, but it can't be undone.

That the father would go to court over this issue demonstrates a lack of fatherly concern on his part, IMO.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-03-08   14:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

The Mother agreed to it, the parenting plan was submitted and signed as part of a legal divorce. She is legally required to abide by that plan. The Father had no recourse but to take it to a judge, case closed.

jeremiad  posted on  2015-03-08   14:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

That woman is a nutcase,and needs to lose custody. What she really cares about is the personal fame she will get from being a "crusander for a cause",and maybe even the career and money it might bring.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-08   17:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#1)

It should be up to the father.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-08   17:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68 (#0)

"There is no reason this case has to have gone this far, under these circumstances, drawing this much attention to a little boy," Gillen said Friday. "There is just no reason."

It sounds to me as if the father is trying to get even with his ex-wife by inflicting unnecessary pain on their son. The son is a pawn and the judge is not being helpful.

I am prejudiced--I am not circumcised and 80 plus years old. Seems an unnecessary procedure if not religiously required.

oldguy  posted on  2015-03-08   23:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jeremiad (#2)

The Mother agreed to it, the parenting plan was submitted and signed as part of a legal divorce. She is legally required to abide by that plan. The Father had no recourse but to take it to a judge, case closed.

I could/would ask: Did this parenting plan include circumcision?

But regardless, parenting is not about putting legal concerns above all else. Parenting is about putting the best interests of one's children first. The father did have other recourse, one of which is to not press the matter into a legal war, giving the public a chance to talk about his kid's wee-wee.

Pressing a legal case at the expense of the benefit of one's kids is not good parenting.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-03-09   1:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite, old guy, A K A Stone, jeremiad, sneakypete, hondo68 (#1) (Edited)

The father said he decided to pursue the circumcision in December 2013 when the boy was 3, after noticing his son was urinating on his leg. The father on Friday said the boy's pediatrician had diagnosed a condition called phimosis, which prevents retraction of the foreskin.

In May, Judge Gillen ordered the mother to comply with the signed plan and circumcision, and he warned her not to tell her son she was against the procedure.

It is bizarre that such a procedure should be involved in a divorce settlement. That child's penis is not some marital asset to be disposed of by some judge.

Wiki: Phimosis (NSFW: has a nasty dick pic)

At birth, the foreskin is fused to the glans and is not retractable. Huntley et al. state that "non-retractability can be considered normal for males up to and including adolescence."

Normal developmental non-retractability does not cause any problems. Phimosis is deemed pathological when it causes problems, such as difficulty urinating or performing common sexual functions. There are numerous causes of so-called pathological phimosis. Nonsurgical treatment involves the stretching of the foreskin, steroid creams and changing masturbation habits. Surgical treatments include preputioplasty and circumcision.

The article never tells us if the boy has ordinary phimosis or pathological phimosis.

So while extreme phimosis may be cause for circumcision, boys often grow out of it or non-surgical methods/treatments are available to alleviate or cure it.

One out-patient procedure under local anesthetic at a pediatrician's office is preputioplasty (NSFW: more ugly dick pics, showing an erection with a "waist").

This case seems as much about the judge protecting the absolute dictates of divorce settlements than the boy's welfare.

The judge should have empaneled three independent doctors with no bias on circumcision to examine the boy and make a recommendation to the court. It may be that he will grow out of it or would prefer the out-patient procedure instead. If he has the severe type of phimosis, he will likely need a procedure at puberty.

Both parents have a good chance of the boy later blaming them. He might blame Mom if he really does need the procedure later. Or he might blame Dad for taking his foreskin away against his expressed wishes, particularly if he suffers some sexual dysfunction after puberty or considers something about the circumcision to be undesirable.

This is just a judge saying "Obey me!". The case has little merit otherwise, it seems. The court should worry a lot more about the medical needs of the child than in whether some divorce settlement is being obeyed.

Other than very severe phimosis, there is no apparent immediate medical reason for the judge to order this. Given the boy's resistance and the public nature of this case, she should get some independent medical opinions and let the issue slide unless the boy really has a severe problem.

At this point, the judge also seems to be violating the boy's medical privacy for the sake of upholding a settlement.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-09   6:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative (#7)

This case seems as much about the judge protecting the absolute dictates of divorce settlements than the boy's welfare.

Chicks don't like ugly dicks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-09   7:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#7)

Or he might blame Dad for taking his foreskin away against his expressed wishes,

No he will thank his dad. Did you get mad at your dad?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-09   7:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

No he will thank his dad. Did you get mad at your dad?

No.

And there are people who blame their sex problems on being circumcised and also for not being circumcised.

Read more and you'll find this stuff. The intactivists really know how to stir the pot. Circumcision gets blamed for impotence, premature juicery, and all kinds of stuff. Lack of circumcision has blame handed out for penile cancers.

It's a pretty shrill take-no-prisoners debate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-09   9:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TooConservative (#7)

Or he might blame Dad for taking his foreskin away against his expressed wishes,

The boy has no "wishes" that his mother hasn't brain-washed him into believing. He is 4 years old,and has no judgement.

IMHO,this is just one method she is using to get her son to hate and fear his father.

This case seems as much about the judge protecting the absolute dictates of divorce settlements than the boy's welfare.

That's his job. The mother signed an agreement to allow this to happen during the divorce,and now she is trying to back out of the contract she signed. That is what this judge is being charged with deciding,not some medical procedure. That is a separate issue.

The woman doesn't want that to become the prime issue because she would lose and knows it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   9:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: oldguy (#5)

It sounds to me as if the father is trying to get even with his ex-wife by inflicting unnecessary pain on their son.

It sounds to me like you are drunk or senile.

The reality is it is most likely the wife trying to use this issue to drive a wedge between her son and her ex-husband as a way to punish HIM.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   9:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#6)

Pressing a legal case at the expense of the benefit of one's kids is not good parenting.

That's what the MOTHER is doing. This issue was agreed to and settled,and now she brings it out to make her son fear his father because he is now convinced,thanks to the mother,that his father wants to cut his penis off.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   9:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#10)

And there are people who blame their sex problems on being circumcised and also for not being circumcised.

There are people who blame their sex problems on Wednesday,the phases of the moon,or Roy Rogers movies.

The one thing they are certain of is there is it has nothing to do with them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   9:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#11)

He is 4 years old,and has no judgement.

He may not want skin cut off his body. And his peeing problem may have alleviated in the 2 years since the agreement was made.

As with many topics, we don't have every relevant fact in the case.

IMHO,this is just one method she is using to get her son to hate and fear his father.

A remark that probably characterizes the majority of child custody cases in America. I don't see that that changes the issue of a largely irremediable surgery when the problem may correct itself before puberty or might be dealt with less drastically.

If you're going to circumcise, infancy is best. This 4yo is old enough to already have a relationship with his penis in its natural state.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-09   9:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#9)

Circumcision is not entirely safe. It kills over 100 boys per year.

circumcision deaths

Also recall that famous case from the Sixties where a doctor accidentally burned a boy's bits off entirely using an electric circumcision device. The experts were called in and they gave him a baby-sex-change operation so he could be raised as an (infertile) female. Turns out, he was a totally hopeless tomboy and somehow knew he was supposed to be a boy. When he finally found out, resentment on steroids, not just some PMS. He transitioned to a fake-male through surgery and is much happier now.

Another horror story is that of a mohel who did circumcisions in New York on infants. The tradition for the mohel is to cut the foreskin and then suck the penis for a while to stop the bleeding. Which would land anyone else in prison. This particular mohel had a bad case of herpes and continued his job even when he had a herpes outbreak and was contagious, exposing dozens of babies to herpes (and God knows what else). They finally put a stop to that guy even though mohels continue to do this surgery without any medical training at all.

men who resent circumcision, includes a letter from a phimosis sufferer who begged his parents to take him to the urologist at 14yo because he had trouble peeing and he resented the urologist for not offering other options and had a bad result from it.

And, since I'm not sure everyone is on the same page with these things, here is a list of galleries of weird dicks and bad circumcisions. I'm offering these because most of us, including me, only know one dick well. Our own. Even a promiscuous homo could go a lifetime and not encounter anyone with these issues. Not that men with dick problems are usually eager to discuss it with anyone.

Totally NFSW! 8 webpages full of dozens of really ugly dick pix:

Skin-bridges, Skin-tags, Scarring, Unevenness, Galloping Gangrene, Excessive skin removed, Galloping Gangrene, Varicose Veins, Malapposition, Wound dehiscence

Just because 99% of us are happy with what we have doesn't mean happy outcomes are universal.

In personal anecdotes, I knew a guy at work that embarrassed the living hell out of me when he started telling me about his penile cancer and how unhappy he was with his penectomy that left him with a half-inch stub. This was on the way to pick up a vehicle being serviced at the local gas station. While there, he started hounding them about when they were going to get his rubber sex doll patched! And he was not pulling my leg either (thankfully he didn't prove it to me).

I knew a guy in high school that had the Peyronic syndrome (crooked dick) that he complained about. His glans when erect was almost a 90° angle to his shaft and was painful and hard to insert in a woman. (Again, never saw it but he had no reason to lie.)

And just a few years ago, an old buddy of mine was hobbling around and, when I asked if his other surgery (he'd had both knee and hip done), he told me it was a lymphodema thing and that one of his testicles had swelled up a little bigger than a baseball but not as large as a softball. Really painful, he said. The docs installed some drainage tube in it and got it under control after a few months but that can turn into a very serious and even lethal condition.

There are pictures of the kinds of things that can happen when trying to correct a phimosis, like the one the 4yo in Florida has. Unfortunately, we don't know how severe his problem is or if he might grow out of it.

A medical practice focusing on male genital problems: Center For Reconstructive Urology

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-09   11:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#15)

I don't see that that changes the issue of a largely irremediable surgery when the problem may correct itself before puberty or might be dealt with less drastically.

There are many reasons to get the surgery,and not a single valid one for not getting it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   17:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#16)

Totally NFSW! 8 webpages full of dozens of really ugly dick pix:

Thanks much,but I think I will pass on that kind offer.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   17:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#18)

Thanks much,but I think I will pass on that kind offer.

If you won't look at some of the horrific results, you're just refusing to look at the issue.

While some intactivists are simply contrarian types, many do claim and have good cause to condemn the results of their own circumcision.

It is an odd issue in physiology because it seems that our naughty bits are where Darwin plays so many of his cruelest tricks. A lot of people have rather odd genitals/tissue. The intersexual types are the most prominent examples. A lot of people are unaware that it is entirely possible to have opposite-sex DNA in the pubic region. Apparently, sex selection genes can cause a lot of mischief. Hormones cover up a lot of these abnormalities but they are still there and affect people's sex lives. Or whether they even have a sex life.

Just because you and I are happy enough and won the sexual lottery along with the other 99% doesn't mean it's someone else's fault if they didn't.

The med center photos are interesting. I had seen bulls with broken penises when I was a kid but hadn't ever seen one on a man. Nasty business but it is a very real thing and requires surgery. Outcomes aren't always so happy despite the brilliance of modern urological surgeons.

Anyway, I suppose I now hold the title of Champion Ugly Dick Pic Linker of all time here at LF. LOL.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-09   18:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#19)

While some intactivists are simply contrarian types, many do claim and have good cause to condemn the results of their own circumcision.

I personally know of two people who had to get circumcised in their 30's or 40's,and neither one had any problems and were glad they did once they healed up.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   19:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

I personally know of two people who had to get circumcised in their 30's or 40's,and neither one had any problems and were glad they did once they healed up.

Had to? At that age?

Phimosis or converting to Judaism or something else?

I'm not suggesting that their happy result is something that anyone should denigrate or pooh-pooh. It should be their choice.

A baby or a 4yo is a different matter.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-09   20:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TooConservative (#21) (Edited)

Do you know how much those circumciser doctors make?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-03-09   22:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TooConservative (#21)

500 dollars a week plus tips.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-03-09   23:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#16)

To: A K A Stone, sneakypete Circumcision is not entirely safe. It kills over 100 boys per year.

More people die crossing the street. Ban School.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-09   23:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TooConservative (#21)

Had to? At that age?

Had to/needed to. I can't remember the details at this late date,but I am positive it had nothing to do with religion.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   23:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)

Ban School.

circumcision aside,that seems to make more sense every day.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-09   23:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#26)

Ban School. circumcision aside,that seems to make more sense every day.

I just meant because people die going to school. But getting rid of government school and replacing it with a system of vouchers and school choice would be better.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-09   23:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)

But getting rid of government school and replacing it with a system of vouchers and school choice would be better.

You better keep quiet or you'll have the regime come down on your head for saying that their agenda sux. :)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-03-10   7:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com