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Title: Japanese Hydrogen Expo Previews the Future
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motoring.com.au
URL Source: http://www.motoring.com.au/news/201 ... expo-previews-the-future-49570
Published: Mar 3, 2015
Author: Peter Lyon
Post Date: 2015-03-08 01:51:36 by Operation 40
Keywords: Hydrogen, Renewable, Energy
Views: 3622
Comments: 22
A big week for the greenies in Japan sees renewable energy technology get equal billing The launch this year of the world's first production fuel-cell car, the Toyota Mirai, has driven the accelerated growth of hydrogen refuelling station infrastructure development across Japan. And the introduction of Toyota's fuel-cell passenger vehicle to the Japanese market has also served to focus unprecedented attention on this year's International Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Expo at the Big Site complex on Tokyo Bay.. ...Regarded as the planet's biggest expo of its type, the fuel cell expo drew some 1580 companies from around the world, participating in five days of lectures, demonstrations of future and existing technologies and test drives of fuel cell cars including the Mirai and Honda Clarity. Senior engineers from Daimler, Volkswagen, General Motors, Toyota, Iwatani Corporation (energy co) and JX Nippon Oil and Energy updated the gathered industry types and media on the latest developments in fuel cells, hydrogen production and delivery systems and battery technology... ...The question begs. Why is Japan so aggressive in its adoption and development of hydrogen-powered fuel cell cars and the infrastructure to support it? Japanese car companies including Toyota, Nissan and Honda have been developing fuel cell cars for well over 10 years. But it was the earthquake, tsunami wave and resulting nuclear disaster in March 2011 that forced the government to shut down its 54 nuclear reactors and look for alternative forms of energy that stimulated car and energy companies to accelerate hydrogen-based technologies. ...Up until early 2011, Japan's energy needs were split up into 20 per cent nuclear, 30 per cent coal and the remainder in oil and natural gas. To fill the gap created by the loss of nuclear energy, Japan started importing more oil which has led to higher energy (electricity) prices and higher C02 levels. So the car industry, energy companies and government came to a collective realisation in late 2011 that diversifying its energy needs, and steering towards hydrogen, gives the country a way out of the higher energy costs and environmental issues. The recent launch of the world's first hydrogen-powered fuel cell car in Japan, the Toyota Mirai has given added impetus and urgency to hydrogen infrastructure development. That is why the country is pushing ahead with plans to build at least 100 hydrogen refueling stations nationwide by the end of 2016... Complete article: http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015/japanese-hydrogen-expo-previews-the-future-49570 A Hydrogen Station can be built anywhere there is water and electricity. With mass production, the cost will nosedive The only exhaust from a Hydrogen Electric Vehicle is water. Thanks to Toyota, Honda and Hyundai, gasoline is no longer required to get from point a to points b, c and d. It's too bad that Obama cut R&D fuel cell funding when he took office. The US could have led this revolution.
Gas company Taiyo Nippon Sanso Ltd revealed a world-first with its compact portable hydrogen station mounted onto the back of a 10-ton truck. H2 to go- anywhere. 
The Honda Smart Hydrogen Station- Home fueling of Hydrogen Vehicles 
Tech always gets better and cheaper-that's a 5 megabyte hard drive from 1956
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#1. To: Operation 40 (#0)
Hydrogen fuel cells don't really reduce fossil fuel consumption. They merely shift direct consumption from the automobile to the power plant needed to produce the electricity that generates the hydrogen. Hydrogen is NOT an alternative energy source... it is merely a method to store energy, similar to a rechargeable battery... Now if Japan was increasing it's solar, hydro, geothermal or wind generating capacity to generate hydrogen, THEN there would potentially be a reduction in fossil fuel dependency. Too bad the GOP/Tea Party enabled the Chicoms to illegally dump solar cells on the US Market below cost... Solyndra could've provided the solar cells needed to generate hydrogen.
Are American readers so stupid they find this convincing? By this comparison, we should be asking why our cars can't fly to other planets and why our airlines don't fly to other stars. You can't compare advances in digital tech to any other sciences.
Two points. First of all do you really think that fuel comes from dead dinosaurs? I mean really? Secondly who gives a shit if they don't reduce fuel consumption.
You don't know what alternative means.
alternative- offering a choice between two or more things:
I prefer associating with adults, so take your adolescent insults and join boris on my bozo filter.
Instead take a few days off.
Adults know the meaning of words they use. Adults don't vote for mass murder pieces of shit. You can post tomorrow. Limited.
Bingo.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You don't know what alternative means. His comment is much, much more correct than yours.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
His comment is much, much more correct than yours. When you travel there are many alternatives. You can have a gas powered car. alternatively you could have a hydrogen fuel cell to help power your car. There are other alternatives too. You could have a natural gas car. There are other alternatives such as riding a bicycle.
Are American readers so stupid they find this convincing? Oh look- it's the Liberty'sflame post whore Too Conservative- who can't let a thread go by without a "contribution". Thanks! The decrease in cost of PV modules isn't quite as dramatic as the decrease in computer chip cost but it's close. Furthermore, electrolyzer efficiency has exceeded 90% in some of the newer models. And some R&D will no doubt find ways to make water easier to crack. Researchers at the French agency for nuclear energy and alternative energy CEA (Commissariat à l’énergie atomique et aux énergies alternatives), has developed a new much efficient method of producing hydrogen gas. Compared to other methods used, this method significantly reduce the investment and operating costs. And it does so at a very high efficiency indeed, at 90 percent... http://www.ourprg.com/?p=20047 Why do Hydrogen threads bring out the most idiotic comments on the net? It's as if Hydrogen Gas virtually invades some brains and causes mental pollution. While you sat around thinking you were brilliant, Japan and Germany have actually done things to contribute to the future and make themselves energy independent. Here's a rare American with 10+ years experience in Solar/Hydrogen/Fuel Cells that can explain it much better than I can. I just talked to him last week. He was featured in a Scientific American article in 2008 Inside the Solar-Hydrogen House: No More Power Bills--Ever June 19, 2008 -EAST AMWELL, N.J.—Mike Strizki has not paid an electric, oil or gas bill—nor has he spent a nickel to fill up his Mercury Sable—in nearly two years. Instead, the 51-year-old civil engineer makes all the fuel he needs using a system he built in the capacious garage of his home, which employs photovoltaic (PV) panels to turn sunlight into electricity that is harnessed in turn to extract hydrogen from tap water... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hydrogen-house/ Here's his website: http://hydrogenhouseproject.org/ I hope you continue to think that you're the definition of brilliant- it's somewhat amusing. Now watch what happens in Japan and Germany over the next few years...
Now if Japan was increasing it's solar, hydro, geothermal or wind generating capacity to generate hydrogen, THEN there would potentially be a reduction in fossil fuel dependency. Perhaps you fancy yourself to be smarter than the top engineers in Japan and Germany. Honda Introduces Solar Hydrogen Station on Saitama Prefectural Office Grounds TOKYO, Japan, March 27, 2012 - Honda Motor Co., Ltd. unveiled a Solar Hydrogen Station on the grounds of the Saitama Prefectural Office. The initiative is part of the Electric Vehicle Testing Program for Honda’s next-generation personal mobility products with Saitama Prefecture, in which Honda, Iwatani and Saitama Prefecture collaborate to build. In a further initiative, Honda has equipped the FCX Clarity fuel cell electric vehicle with an outlet to function as a 9kW power source. Since the FCX Clarity uses a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen to produce power with zero CO2 emissions, with its new outlet, the vehicle will be able to serve as a zero-emission mobile electric generator. This is the first installation in Japan of a total system to produce, store and dispense hydrogen with ZERO CO2 emissions. A high pressure water electrolysis system, uniquely developed by Honda, produces hydrogen. With no mechanical compressor, the system is nearly silent and highly energy efficient. Using Solar and grid power, the system is capable of producing 1.5kg of hydrogen within 24 hours which enables an FCX Clarity to run approximately 150km or 90 miles. Honda aims to further develop the system to offer clean energy sources for the home in the future. ************ Honda begins experimental operation of next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station for household use. With the goal of replacing fossil fuels, reducing emissions and combating climate change, Honda has worked proactively to development of fuel cell electric vehicles, which it views as the ultimate clean mobility of the future. Also believing it crucial to eliminate C02 emissions that result from the production, storage and supply of hydrogen fuel, Honda is engaged in the research and development of advanced H2 infrastructure technologies. Since 2001, Honda has operated an experimental solar-powered water electrolyzing hydrogen station in Los Angeles, California. In January 2010 in the same location, Honda began experimental operation of a next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station that is small enough to fit in a typical household garage... ******************** Honda opens 'self-sufficient' hydrogen refuelling station Honda's "self-sufficient" hydrogen refuelling station has officially opened at the company's Swindon plant. The company said it was the UK's first commercial-scale solar-powered hydrogen production and refuelling facility. ^ That's England- which is north of Washington State. If it can work there it can work in all 50 states. This is Germany, known for sunshine Green hydrogen facility opens at Berlin airport, with first refueling of fuel cell vehicle 29 May 2014 Here's a solar hydrogen station in Emeryville, CA I could keep posting examples but maybe you get the point. I hope so. And by the way, this concept is not new. If Americans would have stopped bombing and invading here and there and propping up the PetroDollar we'd have been energy independent by now. But instead, that task has been shuffled off to the next generation.
I am not embarrassed that I post on a lot of threads. Many of them would never get so much as a single comment if I didn't post one. And often a single comment, particularly an opinionated one, will "prime the pump" and other posters will read and contribute, perhaps marshal other resources to debate a topic or elucidate the debate. I am also not embarrassed that I make considerable effort to make sure that I actually post directly to the article's topic and read at least half of its text content before I comment. Some posters will take any thread and post wildly off-topic in the very first comment. Others rarely post to the article at all and instead get chatty and just drag the thread off into Chitchatland. These are news articles, not some daft Rorschach test where the purpose is to glance at a title or picture and then free-associate any blasted thing that floats into your head. Your link does nothing at all to support your claim. The assertion is ridiculous on its face. First, a lot of young people have only a dim idea of mechanical hard drives. You may have heard about this thing called solid-state drives. Hard drives are increasingly for grannies running Windows XP or for data centers. As for the advances in digital, there is no rational comparison at all. The Apple Watch going on sale today has more processing power than all the computers around the world in the 1950's (or 1960's) combined. And it has more storage. And is thousands of times faster. And contains a hi-res color display unknown in the Fifties. And has wireless Bluetooth and a touchscreen. And a plethora of other internal sensors. If anything, I greatly understated how ridiculous it is to compare hydrogen development to digital tech development. You're very insecure, aren't you? LOL. Before you brag too much on Germany and Japan, keep in mind that the fuel cell was, like so many other things, developed by America for NASA although some pet projects date back to the 19th century. You need to read up on the actual technology and the many problems it still has. Wiki: Fuel cell Wiki is replete with choice quotes you can't dismiss with fanboi quotes and some YouBoobery from some guy in NJ who is operating on donations and grants. Hydrogen powered vehicles do date back to the 1950's, you know. This is nothing new. Due to Germany's vast (failed) investments in solar, they are building coal generation plants at breakneck speeds. And both Germany and Britain have spent heavily with hospitals and high-tech industries buying diesel generators because the hospitals and industry leaders complain that precise regulation of utility electricity needed for manufacturing and delicate instruments is forcing them to deal with unreliability issues and expensive devices wearing out more quickly than they should or that sensitive devices in medicine and industry operate out of spec and unreliably unless power is very strictly regulated to international standards. So this great march to a hydrogen paradise you picture is far from reality. What these countries are doing to meet their expanding energy needs simply does not match your claims. FWIW, I think the Japs are most likely to make this technology a success. We should keep in mind that hydrogen fuel cell technology gets touted as the energy of the future each and every year for the last 20 years. It may finally become economically viable but, in an era of plentiful natural gas and a world that is full of oil, its victory in the short term is anything but guaranteed. Complete with the inevitable photo of the ever-optimistic-no-matter-how-many-failures Ed Begley Junior. He's endorsed every turkey alt-energy project for the past 30 years or so. Even if his electric cars most often lack the power to climb up and down hills in San Francisco, leaving him stranded after a few miles. LOL. I notice this is not presented as comparable in cost to traditional electrical power generation. The website mentions that "With grants from the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities, as well as his own personal funds, Strizki was able to complete the Hydrogen House, the first solar-hydrogen residence in North America." Nowhere are we presented with a list of the expenses in building this house or his car's fuel cell. And if it really is cheaper (for people who don't get their costs paid by government or by using laws to force others to subsidize hydrogen), then why doesn't his website just post how much this NJ guy has actually spent on the house/car? Also from the site: "Our organization accepts both cash and equipment donations, all of which are directed toward furthering the Hydrogen House Project's mission." So, if we only get others to pay our fuel/electricity costs, our own energy consumption would look pretty sweet too. Hint: it's wildly expensive, at least for now. My goodness, what a delusional fanboi you are. My experience of such angry missionaries as yourself is that they make no converts at all and merely preach to those who share their own bias. I really did enjoy your bitter tirade to try to blame me for the failures of hydrogen and its current lack of appeal, all because I merely observed that a 5MB 1950s hard drive does not prove that the Golden Age Of Hydrogen is upon us.
Actually a very good point. I was a little jealous that you managed to make Op40 even angrier than I did. Strangely enough, the rest of us would say that you are much more alt-energy friendly than the rest of LF on these issues. It is obvious, as you indicate, that hydrogen generation is one of the best solutions for storing energy from other alt-energy sources like solar/wind and for replacing oil as a vehicle fuel. You need a way to run your civilization when it's dark or when the wind is calm or when you need the portable power of an internal combustion engine. There's so much error in this one statement (and I think you know it) that it isn't worth discussing. The Tea Party did not take any stands on hydrogen. But how long until the fabled Hydrogenmobile dominates car sales? In January 2015 it was announced that production of the Mirai fuel cell vehicle would increase from 700 units in 2015 to approximately 2,000 in 2016 and 3,000 in 2017. Sales in Japan began on December 15, 2014. Pricing starts at ¥6.7 million (~US$57,400) before taxes and a government incentive of ¥2 million (~US$19,600). Initially sales are limited to government and corporate customers. As of December 2014, domestic orders had already reached over 400 Mirais, surpassing Japan's first-year sales target, and as a result, there is a waiting list of more than a year. The Japanese government also provides a subsidy of 50% of the installation costs, with ¥7.2 billion (~US$61.7 million) allocated for fiscal year 2014.[44] A hydrogen station in Japan costs ¥280 million (~US$2.4 million) which is about ¥150 million (~US$1.29 million) more than in Europe which allows more generic materials. Toyota delivered the first market placed Mirai to Prime Minister's Official Residence and announced it got 1,500 orders in Japan in one month after sales began on December 15, 2014 against a sales target of 400 for 12 months. Sales are scheduled to begin in California by mid-2015, followed by five Northeastern States in the first half of 2016 as hydrogen fueling infrastructure is built in the Boston and New York region. Toyota will provide free hydrogen fueling for the first three years to initial buyers of the Mirai, just as Hyundai does for lessees of its Hyundai Tucson-ix35 Fuel Cell in California. Toyota expects cumulative sales of 3,000 Mirais in the U.S. by the end of 2017. In the American market the 2016 Toyota Mirai will start at US$57,500 before any government incentives, and a leasing option for 36 months will be available with a US$3,649 down payment and a lease rate of US$499 per month. Several states have established incentives and tax exemptions for fuel cell vehicles. As a zero-emission vehicle (ZEV), the Mirai will be eligible for a purchase rebate in California of US$5,000 through the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project. The existing federal tax credit for fuel cell vehicles expired on 31 December 2014. The market launch in Europe is slated for September 2015. The UK, Germany and Denmark are the first European countries where the Mirai will be released, followed by additional markets in 2017. In Germany, pricing starts at €60,000 (~US$75,140) plus VAT. Former European Parliament President Pat Cox estimates that Toyota will initially lose between €50,000 to €100,000 (US$60,000 to US$133,000) on each Mirai sold in 2015. So Toyota, the big leader in hydrogen, may build 10,000 Hydrogenmobiles worldwide in 2020. Maybe. Hell, GM and the others might as well lay off their workers and close their factories right now. : ) I'm still trying to figure out how you, of all people, came to be known as hydrogen's Public Enemy #1 here at LF. LOL.
No, it's merely my sad observation that virtually ANY engineer (or 1st year student) from ANY nation is better informed than you are. I have nothing against fuel cells. They're actually a very interesting way of generating electricity, regardless whether the fuel is hydrogen, methane, ethanol or methanol. However, free hydrogen (H2) is not an energy source (like wind or solar or hydro or fossil fuel) because it must be produced using some other form of energy. Fortunately, there are many ways of doing this, the most familiar method being the electrolysis of H2O. But unfortunately, the most dominant method for industrial production of hydrogen is currently steam reforming of hydrocarbons like natural gas. So using hydrogen fuel cells for automobiles really doesn't reduce Japan's dependence on fossil fuel if they're using fossil fuel to produce the hydrogen, does it? Duh! THAT's why I said they need to be using either solar or wind or hydro or nuclear to produce the hydrogen. Hydrogen is simply a way to store & transfer the original energy source for end consumer use running the car.
Solar/wind can never be viable until you have reliable energy storage. The only real prospect is fuel cells. Besides, you gotta love a technology where a car weighs less when its tanks are full than when they are empty!
You shouldn't be embarrassed. You should be proud. You missed the point. Please list some Tech items that get more expensive with mass production. Thanks. Which part of that do you not understand? Developed by Americans that could actually do things besides bomb and invade other countries. And fuel cells were invented in the UK, not by Americans. From fracking. The gas doesn't just appear in your pipes. It's easier to use free solar energy to make gas than drill, compress, transport and distribute. That was the point of linking that book, written by people that know more than you do about solar hydrogen. See above. Whom to believe- you or someone that has over 10 years of experience with fuel cells, solar and hydrogen? It's a complete waste of time trying to discuss Hydrogen with most Americans. They're arrogant, ignorant and useless. The future of energy lies with countries like Japan and Germany.
Do the various youtubes showing solar hydrogen not appear in your browser? Here's a repost: The title has a clue: Hydrogen fuel is produced from sunlight in Swindon (which is at 51.56°North Latitude - 2 degrees north of Washington State) Whom to believe, someone with over 10 years of experience with solar/hydrogen/fuel cells or you?
Didn't I read that one of the huge new CSP plants got shut down due to major problems in its design? Beyond that, to make a real dent in American needs for electrical power, you effectively need to convert New Mexico, Arizona, and southern California and southern Nevada to being giant solar arrays. And you still need to store energy for those rare periods of darkness (known as night) and for days with marginal sunlight. Strizki is not producing anything commercially viable. He could never afford it without getting millions in grants and free fuel cell equipment. And his $3 million Mercury Sable isn't on sale at our local dealerships. He's kind of a scammer with a fanboi following. People like you and Ed Begley who always think everyone is an idiot because we don't agree with your screeds. The tone you take tends to offend more people than you can ever convince. And hydrogen vehicles have been demoed for many decades. The first one that I can find was one that toured state fairs across the country starting in 1959. So stop pretending that Strizki "invented" anything. Or that his $3M Sable is an actual product.
Of course they do.
Heh-heh. Very gracious of you.
It's too bad that Obama cut R&D fuel cell funding when he took office. The US could have led this revolution.
#2. To: Operation 40 (#0)
Tech always gets better and cheaper-that's a 5 megabyte hard drive from 1956
#3. To: Willie Green (#1)
Hydrogen fuel cells don't really reduce fossil fuel consumption.
#4. To: Willie Green (#1)
Hydrogen is NOT an alternative energy source... it is merely a method to store energy, similar to a rechargeable battery...
#5. To: Willie Green (#1)
#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)
#7. To: Willie Green (#6)
#8. To: Willie Green (#6)
I prefer associating with adults,
#9. To: Willie Green, All (#1)
Hydrogen fuel cells don't really reduce fossil fuel consumption. They merely shift direct consumption from the automobile to the power plant needed to produce the electricity that generates the hydrogen
#10. To: A K A Stone, Willie Green (#4)
Hydrogen is NOT an alternative energy source... it is merely a method to store energy, similar to a rechargeable battery...
#11. To: SOSO (#10)
Hydrogen is NOT an alternative energy source... it is merely a method to store energy, similar to a rechargeable battery... You don't know what alternative means.
#12. To: TooConservative (#2)
Tech always gets better and cheaper-that's a 5 megabyte hard drive from 1956
you can't compare advances in digital tech to any other sciences.
CEA presents a new efficient way of producing hydrogen from water vapor
A New Jersey resident generates and stores all the power he needs with solar panels and hydrogen
#13. To: Willie Green, All (#1)
Hydrogen is NOT an alternative energy source... it is merely a method to store energy, similar to a rechargeable battery...
http://world.honda.com/news/2012/4120327Solar-Hydrogen-Station/index.html
http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/SolarHydrogenStation/index.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-29830687 
ITV Presenter Rebecca Broxton at Honda Solar Park in Swindon UK 
The Parliamentary Secretary of State to the Federal Transport Minister, Katherina Reiche, refuels a fuel cell electric vehicle for the first time at the ‘Green Hydrogen Hub’ (H2BER) of the Total multi-energy fueling station at Berlin Brandenburg Airport.
The first fuel cell electric vehicle has been refueled at the ‘Green Hydrogen Hub’ (H2BER) of the Total multi-energy fueling station at the new Berlin Brandenburg Airport (BER) under construction in Germany, using hydrogen produced onsite via electrolysis using wind and solar energy.
http://www.renewableenergyfocus.com/view/38624/green-hydrogen-facility-opens-at-berlin-airport-with-first-refueling-of-fuel-cell-vehicle/
#14. To: Operation 40, Willie Green (#12)
Oh look- it's the Liberty'sflame post whore Too Conservative- who can't let a thread go by without a "contribution". Thanks!
The decrease in cost of PV modules isn't quite as dramatic as the decrease in computer chip cost but it's close.
Why do Hydrogen threads bring out the most idiotic comments on the net? It's as if Hydrogen Gas virtually invades some brains and causes mental pollution. While you sat around thinking you were brilliant, Japan and Germany have actually done things to contribute to the future and make themselves energy independent.
Here's his website: http://hydrogenhouseproject.org/
I hope you continue to think that you're the definition of brilliant- it's somewhat amusing.
#15. To: Willie Green, Operation 40 (#1)
(Edited)
Now if Japan was increasing it's solar, hydro, geothermal or wind generating capacity to generate hydrogen, THEN there would potentially be a reduction in fossil fuel dependency.
Too bad the GOP/Tea Party enabled the Chicoms to illegally dump solar cells on the US Market below cost... Solyndra could've provided the solar cells needed to generate hydrogen.
Markets and sales
Japan
United States
Europe
#16. To: Operation 40, Too Conservative (#13)
Perhaps you fancy yourself to be smarter than the top engineers in Japan and Germany.
#17. To: Willie Green (#16)
#18. To: TooConservative (#14)
I am not embarrassed that I post on a lot of threads.
Your link does nothing at all to support your claim. The assertion is ridiculous on its face.
Accelerated innovation in both major domains of solar energy (photovoltaics and concentrated solar power) has resulted in the rapid fall of the solar electricity price, opening the route to a number of practical applications using solar H2. New thermochemical water splitting using concentrated solar power (CSP) as well as CSP coupled to electrolysis has the potential to convert and store solar energy into clean hydrogen using a tiny fraction of the world's desert area to meet our present and future global energy needs.
Before you brag too much on Germany and Japan, keep in mind that the fuel cell was, like so many other things, developed by America for NASA although some pet projects date back to the 19th century.
plentiful natural gas
Hint: it's wildly expensive, at least for now.
#19. To: Willie Green (#16)
So using hydrogen fuel cells for automobiles really doesn't reduce Japan's dependence on fossil fuel if they're using fossil fuel to produce the hydrogen, does it?
#20. To: Operation 40, Willie Green (#18)
Accelerated innovation in both major domains of solar energy (photovoltaics and concentrated solar power) has resulted in the rapid fall of the solar electricity price, opening the route to a number of practical applications using solar H2. New thermochemical water splitting using concentrated solar power (CSP) as well as CSP coupled to electrolysis has the potential to convert and store solar energy into clean hydrogen using a tiny fraction of the world's desert area to meet our present and future global energy needs.
Whom to believe- you or someone that has over 10 years of experience with fuel cells, solar and hydrogen?
#21. To: Operation 40, Too Conservative (#19)
Do the various youtubes showing solar hydrogen not appear in your browser?
You posted them AFTER I originally informed you that hydrogen was not an energy source and had to be generated using some other kind of energy. They do not appear in the original article that I was commenting on. So thank-you for doing additional research and verifying what I told you to begin with.
#22. To: Willie Green (#21)
So thank-you for doing additional research and verifying what I told you to begin with.
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