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Title: Antonin Scalia: Wont Congress Fix Obamacare?
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URL Source: http://www.nationaljournal.com/heal ... ongress-fix-obamacare-20150304
Published: Mar 4, 2015
Author: Sam Baker
Post Date: 2015-03-04 19:33:10 by out damned spot
Keywords: Scalia, Obamacare
Views: 3463
Comments: 20

The conservative firebrand said Congress would probably act if the Supreme Court invalidates Obamacare’s subsidies.

March 4, 2015 Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia seems to have faith that Congress would fix Obamacare if the Court weakens it—but not so much faith in the Congress that wrote the law in the first place.

Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, arguing on behalf of the Obama administration, warned the Court during oral arguments in King v. Burwell on Wednesday that a ruling invalidating Obamacare's insurance subsidies in most of the country would have disastrous consequences. Premiums would skyrocket, millions of people would lose their coverage, and many states' individual insurance markets could descend into chaos, he said.

But Scalia wasn't sure it would be that bad.

"What about Congress? You really think Congress is just going to sit there while ­­all of these disastrous consequences ensue?" he asked Verrilli. "I mean, how often have we come out with a decision … [and] Congress adjusts—enacts a statute that ­­takes care of the problem? It happens all the time. Why is that not going to happen here?"

"This Congress, your honor?" Verrilli replied. "Of course, theoretically, they could."

Seated just a few feet away were many of the congressional committee chairmen who would have to come up with and pass such a fix, including Sens. Orrin Hatch and Lamar Alexander; and Reps. Paul Ryan and Fred Upton.

Republicans have worked hard lately to convince the public—and the Court—that they'll be ready with a fix if the justices do invalidate Obamacare's subsidies.

Policy experts largely agree that such a ruling would cause the kind of disruption Verrilli described, and some conservatives are afraid that the Court wouldn't be willing to take that risk unless it believed Congress would step in. Ryan and Hatch have both published op-eds recently saying they would propose a temporary patch allowing people to keep their coverage, perhaps even with a temporary extension of Obamacare's subsidies.

But the details of those plans are unclear—as is the political strategy for getting Republicans to agree on and pass an Obamacare "fix" that Obama could also swallow, potentially including an extension of its most expensive provision, in the middle of a presidential primary.

Still, Scalia seemed optimistic.

"I don't care what Congress you're talking about," he said in response to Verrilli. "If the consequences are as disastrous as you say, so many ... people without ­­insurance and whatnot, yes, I think this Congress would act."

But his confidence in the Congress that passed Obamacare isn't quite as strong.

Verrilli argued Wednesday that Congress could not have intended to limit the law's insurance subsidies to people in states that set up their own exchanges. Maybe Congress just wasn't very good at expressing its intent, Scalia replied.

"This is not the most elegantly drafted statute," he said. "It was ­pushed through on expedited procedures and didn't have the kind of consideration by a conference committee, for example, that ­­statutes usually do. What­­ would be so surprising if, among its other imperfections, there is the imperfection that what the states have to do is not ­obvious enough? It doesn't strike me as inconceivable."

The handful of congressional Democrats in attendance—House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Sens. Dick Durbin, Patty Murray, and Ron Wyden—had no visible reaction to the diss.

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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)

Won’t Congress Fix Obamacare?

When was the last time Congress Fixed anything?
Tell me...

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-03-04   19:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: out damned spot (#0)

Antonin Scalia: Won’t Congress Fix Obamacare?

You just keep that old, man hating, libtard, gun hating... tree hugging skank, Ginsberg, breathing until a president is elected that will nominate a conservative replacement. Even if you've gotta give the crusty Ol' hen mouth-to-mouth during lunch. Keep It alive.

Just let her snooze all day.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-04   19:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Chuck_Wagon (#1)

When was the last time Congress Fixed anything?

When they fixed the health care crisis? It depends on what the meaning of fixed is.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-04   20:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: out damned spot (#0)

Verrilli argued Wednesday that Congress could not have intended to limit the law's insurance subsidies to people in states that set up their own exchanges.

The question is what the law says, not what Verrilli thinks the congress meant for it to say. Nobody voted on Verrilli's imagined version.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-04   20:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GrandIsland (#2)

You just keep that old, man hating, libtard, gun hating... tree hugging skank, Ginsberg, breathing until a president is elected that will nominate a conservative replacement. Even if you've gotta give the crusty Ol' hen mouth-to-mouth during lunch. Keep It alive.

Just let her snooze all day.

That is the stuff of my prayers! LOL Please, Lord.

‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-04   21:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Chuck_Wagon (#1)

When was the last time Congress Fixed anything? Tell me...

I can't think of a thing. Sad, isn't it.

‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-04   21:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nolu chan (#3)

When they fixed the health care crisis? It depends on what the meaning of fixed is.

You are wise, nolu san.

‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-04   21:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: out damned spot (#0)

Why should Congress fix anything? The insane asylum is run by the blackman with the keys to the muslimhouse in DC. Proof is in Boner's & Peeloski's getting on his bandwagon.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-03-04   21:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: out damned spot (#0)

The conservative firebrand said ...

Ever notice how Ginsberg and Breyer never get called "Leftist radical" in a comparable way?

They labelled Scalia in the very first sentence, before they even describe his remarks. The first fact presented (and likely to stick with readers who often skim articles from the top with decreasing attention as the article grows longer) is that Scalia is a dangerous "firebrand" and it is never re-examined in the course of the article or even discussed why Scalia is such a firebrand merely because he suggests that Congress is capable of fixing its own legislative errors and that only the Court can act as the supreme legislative body whose job it is to slap bandages on any slop that Congress makes into a law.

The Supreme Court, for the sake of its own reputation as a court, should refuse to keep fixing the low grade of slop that Congress keeps trying to slip past them. In particular, they should not pretend that the law's requirement, stated dozens of times throughout this massive but rarely-read law, is meaningless because someone in Congress might be forced to cut some political deals to fix its obvious contradictions and poor worksmanship.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-05   3:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GrandIsland (#2)

You just keep that old, man hating, libtard, gun hating... tree hugging skank, Ginsberg, breathing

I have heard that the regime wants her to retire but she refuses, so I wonder if she will make it to 2016 or have an accident sometime in the next 9-12 months.

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CZ82  posted on  2015-03-05   7:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: out damned spot (#0)

"Verrilli argued Wednesday that Congress could not have intended to limit the law's insurance subsidies to people in states that set up their own exchanges."

"Congress" was very clear when drafting the law to distinguish between federal health insurance exchanges and state health insurance exchanges. Pages and pages.

If "Congress" intended every exchange to get subsidies, one sentence would suffice.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-05   9:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nolu chan (#4) (Edited)

The question is what the law says, not what Verrilli thinks the congress meant for it to say.

If only it were that easy. Truth is, the question is: what will 5 Justices say the law is. That is all. It's UTTERLY capricious and completely dependent on the rule of men.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-05   9:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

If only it were that easy. Truth is, the question is: what will 5 Justices say the law is. That is all.

As I commented elsewhere, "SCOTUS will invent a way to uphold the law."

What seems possible is for the Court to say that the way it is phrased would terminate subsidies and that would result in unconstitutional coercion of states. The Congress could not intend an unconstitutional result, so the court must seek an interpretation that results in a constitutional result. Subsidies for everyone! Any other interpretation would yield an unconstitutional result and must be rejected by the court.

Where there is a will, there is a way. Word salad, challenge denied.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-05   10:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#13)

"SCOTUS will invent a way to uphold the law."

I think the same thing.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-05   10:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: out damned spot (#0) (Edited)

The fix is in on socialized medicine (in the form of Zero-care). The elites have fought too long and too hard for it - so it ain't goin' anywhere.

So here's the deal:

1. It doesn't matter what the court does (in the eyes of our masters). If it upholds the exchanges, great. If not, go on to step two.

2. If the court strikes down the exchanges, Our Lord and Savior Emperor Zero (and his D and R disciples) is prepared to demogogue the issue. "See those cancer patients lined up at the hospitals?" he will say. "Evil Republican governors are denying their health coverage." The court jesters in the media will of course pick this up and run with it. Heck, they'll probably throw the race card in for good measure.

3. Anyone want to guess what the spineless republican governors will do?

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-03-05   11:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: out damned spot (#0)

"Antonin Scalia: Won’t Congress Fix Obamacare?"

With all due respect, that's none of the court's concern.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-05   12:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rufus T Firefly (#15)

"See those cancer patients lined up at the hospitals?" he will say. "Evil Republican governors are denying their health coverage."

Those cancer patients are lined up trying to get treatment under Obamacare -- a health care bill not one single Republican voted for.

What are the Democrats going to do about that? Why are the Republicans expected to step in and save the day?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-05   12:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#13)

"What seems possible is for the Court to say that the way it is phrased would terminate subsidies ..."

Subsidies which never should have been given. What's the difference -- terminating subsidies or never giving them to begin with?

"and that would result in unconstitutional coercion of states."

And what is, "Lower your state speed limits and raise the drinking age in your state or you get no federal highway funds"?

"so the court must seek an interpretation that results in a constitutional result. Subsidies for everyone!"

No subsidies for anyone is also constitutional.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-05   12:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#17)

a health care bill not one single Republican voted for.

Please do not fall into the false two-party paradigm. If the Ruling Class had needed any R's to vote for this, it would have happened. As it turned out, they had just enough dems.

Remember - the dems are the shock troops - they are the advancing army who takes territory (i.e. by growing government and taking away freedoms).

The 'pubes are merely the occupation army. They come in and hold the territory (i.e. "fix" it) once the dem shock troops have taken it.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-03-05   14:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rufus T Firefly (#19)

"If the Ruling Class had needed any R's to vote for this, it would have happened.'

But the D's would have paid a price. I'm sure changes would have been made to the legislation.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-05   17:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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