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Title: Court Allows Jewish Prayer on Temple Mount
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URL Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/192060#.VPaAlmjF_3Q
Published: Mar 3, 2015
Author: Gil Ronen
Post Date: 2015-03-03 22:51:01 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 3940
Comments: 29

Temple activists were euphoric Monday after a precedent-setting ruling by Magistrates' Court Judge Malka Aviv in the case of Yehuda Glick vs. the Israeli Police, a day earlier. The judge ruled that the police “must make sure that Jews are able to pray on the Temple Mount” – in a ruling replete with harsh criticism of the police's policies on the Temple Mount.

Activists were quoted on a Temple activists blog as saying: “This day will be remembered for generations in the annals of the struggle for the return of Jews to the Temple Mount.”

The police are legally bound “to ensure that Jews are able to pray on the Temple Mount, and not to act sweepingly to prevent Jews from praying on the Temple Mount,” the judge determined.

Attorney Aviad Visoly, who represented Glick said Tuesday that the verdict “has made prayer on the Temple Mount 'kosher'. In essence, the court took the Supreme Court's rulings about the Jews' right to pray on the Temple Mount, and implemented them.”

"This is almost the first ruling – and certainly the most sweeping – in which the court implements the right of Jews to pray on the Temple Mount. From today, every Jew is allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. The prayer itself is not an offense.”

Judge Aviv said that the police ban on Glick's visiting the Mount was issued “without appropriate consideration” and was “arbitrary.”

“There is nothing in the deeds of the plaintiff [Glick] that justified in any way the punishment that he received, not in the ban itself and not in the extended period [of the ban],” she said.

Glick was awarded NIS 500,000 in damages and NIS 150,000 in legal costs.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Interesting. Waiting for Jihadi response.

First step for Israelis to have regular worship on the Temple Mount.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-03   23:27:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone (#1)

It is actually against Jewish religious law to pray on the Temple Mount.

Here's why:

Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2)

Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.)

The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.

Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices.

Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.

Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel. (7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutions Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing.

There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers.

And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption.

When these things have taken place, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple.

We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin. And he will bring peace to the world.

Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..."

Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying:

And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out.

http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-04   0:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pericles (#2)

It is actually against Jewish religious law to pray on the Temple Mount.

Jews don't have a pope.

Just because some group of Jewish authorities, even the Sanhedrin, rules that it is illegal is not necessarily binding on all Jews.

It can be as easily argued that the Temple is not characterized by its mere GPS coordinates but that the entire idea of the Temple is inextricably linked to its prescribed construction and its contents, all ritually purified by Jewish priest as described in scripture.

Until you have that Temple rebuilt to spec and purified, Temple Mount is just another piece of dirt, however sentimental to some people.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-04   2:14:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#3)

Moreover, although Jews will never admit this until Christ returns, the truth is that it was God himself, through Christ, who pronounced the final doom of the Temple and ordained its destruction and the trampling of the vineyard - the condemnation warned of in Deuteronomy.

The only way that God has provided to him now is through the new covenant in Christ. God removed the ability to perform the rites of the Jewish covenant. What the rabbi wrote above is true: the Temple CANNOT be rebuilt according to halakah. God intended it that way. A bunch of Jews could get together and do it by main force, but it would not be legitimate. God gave the new covenant to the world, and that's the way and the truth and the light. The covenant of the Hebrews has been fulfilled, insofar that the penalty clauses that God included in it were imposed.

There is a desire to resurrect the legitimacy of Judaism, but that desire is contrary to the express and manifest will of God. Jesus is now the ONLY legitimate way. You could slap back up a Temple and start killing animals, but it would be no more real than the high places erected by Jeroboam were, and it would be offensive to God, because it would be, once again, overtly and pointedly rejecting his Son. The Temple was destroyed in the first place, and forever, as punishment for that the first time. To re-erect the Temple would be to attempt to defy the final judgment of God.

If the Jews want to erect something on the Temple mount, it ought to be a Jewish Christian Church.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-04   8:16:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Jesus is now the ONLY legitimate way. You could slap back up a Temple and start killing animals, but it would be no more real than the high places erected by Jeroboam were, and it would be offensive to God, because it would be, once again, overtly and pointedly rejecting his Son.

Indeed.

And no matter what one's views of eschatology are, some who desire to build a new temple on the Mount will be obliged by someone claiming to be Messiah but won't be.

The world is ripe for false teachers and the spirit of anti-christ to take away the focus from the Risen Son of God Yeshua Messiah.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-04   9:57:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: redleghunter (#10)

some who desire to build a new temple on the Mount will be obliged by someone claiming to be Messiah but won't be.

Let me get this straight. You think they will rebuild the temple. But it will be for the Beast? Unwittingly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-04   10:42:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13, Coral Snake, GarySpFc (#16)

Let me get this straight. You think they will rebuild the temple. But it will be for the Beast? Unwittingly.

Not certain as it is not clear. What we do know is from Paul:

2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (KJV)

A few points to consider on the various eschatological views of the above;

1. The literal and some parts allegorical preterist view which concludes the above was partially fulfilled in 70 AD but yet to come is the literal second coming of Jesus Christ

2. The allegory/spiritual interpretation which applies the above through the ages until the literal second coming of Jesus Christ.

3. The literal premillennial view that the above passage is yet to come before the literal second coming of Jesus Christ.

4. There are several views in Catholic circles as well. Some adhere to one or more of the above. However, a uniquely Catholic view I did not know of until a few months ago (seeing it on TOS) is that the "sitteth in the temple of God" refers to the Vatican and the anti-christ posing as the real Pope. This is not an official Catholic position but most likely of the SSPX variant of Catholicism. I pinged Vic to see if he has ever heard of this.

Gary recommended a book a few years back on LP which explains the various eschatological views. Forget the name of the tome, perhaps he can refresh my memory:)

There are other views as you know, but since Coral Snake no longer posts here I did not mention his views, yet pinged him if he is lurking.

I listed the above given I think at least #1-#3 is what most here are familiar with.

So to answer your question...If we are to take 2 Thessalonians 2 as yet future, there is going to be another Temple of some sort. If one does not take it literally then it means something else. Enough internet 'ink' has been spilled on this site and LP on the subject to no avail. We should just be good Bereans as Luke puts it in Acts 17:11--"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."(KJV)

Bottom line: Jesus Christ is Coming Again. Preach the Gospel. Love your brethren as Christ loves us. Be alert. Be ready. Be found worthy of His coming.

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