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Title: W.Va. Senate OKs bill to allow concealed carry without permit
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The Charleston Gazette
URL Source: http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20150227/GZ01/150229285
Published: Mar 3, 2015
Author: Eric Eyre
Post Date: 2015-03-03 18:58:33 by Hondo68
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Keywords: inherent right, God given CCW, natural rights
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Senators approved a bill Friday that could make West Virginia the sixth state to allow residents to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. After reading aloud from the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, senators voted 32-2 for a bill (SB347) that allows people 18 and older to tote concealed guns. “The bill eliminates the crime of carrying a concealed weapon in West Virginia,” said Sen. Charles Trump, R-Morgan. The legislation next goes to the House of Delegates. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Vermont and Wyoming are the only states that allow residents to carry a hidden gun without a permit. West Virginia already allows open carry of a handgun without a permit. West Virginia law enforcement officials have expressed concern about the bill. They said the legislation could put officers more at risk. They also noted that the weapons-permit fees generate funds for sheriff’s departments across the state. Last year, the permits raised $3.4 million for the departments. However, senators who supported the bill kept coming back to the Second Amendment. “This is a United States constitutional right,” said Robert Karnes, R-Upshur. “The Second Amendment recognizes this inherent right.” Sens. Corey Palumbo, D-Kanawha, and Ron Miller, D-Greenbrier, voted against the bill. Sen. Mike Romano, D-Harrison, supported the concealed-carry permit repeal, but first offered what he called “common-sense” revisions that his colleagues ultimately rejected. Romano wanted to require that residents be at least 21 years old before they could carry a handgun without a permit. “To carry a .357 Magnum, we really should require them to be 21 years of age,” Romano said. But other senators said a 21-and-up age limit was “arbitrary.” “At the age of 18, we’re talking about parents of small children,” Karnes said. “And we’re going to say an 18-year-old who is able to enter into the contract of marriage, to have children, is not responsible enough to defend the family that he has?” Romano also wanted to require people to take a handgun safety course before they could carry a concealed weapon. Karnes argued that the training requirement was a “backdoor licensing scheme,” and senators voted down the amendment. Romano later voted for the bill that didn’t include any of his suggested changes. “I concluded long ago that the permitting process through the sheriff’s department is simply a hurdle for law-abiding citizens who carry a gun,” Romano said. “Criminals will carry a gun regardless of the process.”
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#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
In the county I worked for, all the pistol permit fees went to and were payable to the county clerk. The sheriff's department was only expected to do backgrounds on the applicants. It literally took money out of the budget by tying up officers time. After the UnSafeAct was passed, people flooded the clerk with so many applications, that background checks were handed out to even the road patrol officers. Pistol permits, licenses or any regulation is bullshit. Constitutional carry is the model every state should follow.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Isn't that something like a slave renting their freedom? But they're still in the slave catcher database (Utah data center/DHS).
Sounds a little like paying higher taxes (than almost anywhere else) for the honor of living in California. What state do you live in?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I got a permit to purchase a handgun handwritten by the sheriff. I chatted with him for half an hour or so, told him I wanted a handgun because the district had elected a pinko congresscritter that had no regard for gun rights and might agitate for a gungrab and that I also wanted one because I lived in a very isolated rural place. There was no charge. The permit requirement was just so a sheriff would be able to put the brakes on people with obvious mental problems. It was not a pistol permit as is common in some states. It was a permit to buy a handgun from a retail vendor. AFAIK, buying a gun via private sale was not covered by the law. It was a one-time permit to be able to buy the handgun and didn't need renewal.
You have it better than where I policed. After you pay 125.00 to the clerk for the application, then you pay 50.00 to the clerk for your fingerprints. After the pistol permit is approved by the county judge, you have to pay the county clerk 5.00 to get a signed coupon for each gun you want to buy. The only decent part of all that tyranny, was the pistol permits were lifetime unless revoked. The UnSafeAct changed all that. Cuomo can go F*** hinself
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Fingerprinted like some criminal? No thanks. Midwesterners get kinda uppity at even the suggestion.
The California Republic. No CCW fees here. Everything is illegal, which is the same thing as nothing being illegal or enforceable. It sucks, tell all of your friends. The good news is... most retired NY fags move somewhere else.
That's right... California has the highest populations of fruits and nuts... you don't need any NY fags. Hell, your nazi metropolis even has cornered the market on serial killers.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I agree.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I give up.. Which California "nazi metropolis --- has cornered the market on serial killers"?
The whole state ranks # one in serial killers. Come on, you knew that
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You gotta stop defending that shithole.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
"The USA has 76% of the worlds serial killers. Europe in second, has 17%. England has produced 28% of the European total; Germany produces 27%, and France produces 13%. * California leads in the US with the most Serial Homicide cases" Kookifornia is serial killer capital of the world. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
" --- California has the most known serial killers with 128. Washington state has 95. But per capita, based on 100,000 population, Washington finishes first at 1.61 killers per 100,000.// -- "
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Stati stics.pdf Check page 13
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Don't give me anymore of your SPIN. What does "per capita" do for the sheep of kookifornia? Make them feel better? You have the most... and almost TWICE as many serial killing victims. Kookifornian serial killers ARE OVER ACHIEVERS. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
The State itself is not a shithole. The people that are trying to run it are... Most of our politicians are majority rule authoritarian socialists, --- a lot like your buddies here on LF. I don't post spin. You just can't handle the truth.
Ranks top 5 in highest taxes High crime Huge huge huge state debt... lots of red Ranks among highest in gangs, illegals. High welfare, homeless and unemployment Worst statist gun laws and ammo bans. Shit, even Glock Gen 3's and 4's are outlawed. Thumbhole stocks... 50 calibers. Let's face it. It's a lost cause... it's like New York but with cold weather, earthquakes and smelly hippies.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You just can't handle the truth.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Thought you were in a deep red state. You need permits for handguns?
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
Your link doesn't work. The state itself is not a shithole. The people that are trying to run it are... Most of our California politicians are majority rule authoritarian socialists, --- a lot like your buddies here on LF.
Buy used ones from local places for barter or cash. I traded my old riding lawn mower for one years ago with a tavern friend.
Or get a bow and arrow.
The link works if you separate the wheat from the gibberish.
Now you're making sense for a change. I had one in my youthful days. I won't claim I was an expert, but I worked on it.
IMG]i.imgur.com/XTmyXIf.jpg[/IMG Whatta waste of time. Don't mail me crap like that, grandi, if you please.
Whatta waste of time. Don't mail me crap like that, grandi, if you please. Come on... you want the toof, you can't handle the toof. Where is your sense of humor? Do they tax that in Kookifornia, too?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Thanks Fred
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I aim to please. Would you please aim.
I laugh at you all the time, grandi... You're a funny guy, in every way..
Good, in every way. A sense of humor is important.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You were in the Navy,so your fingerprints are already on file. You have nothing to lose.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No, they aren't.
Yeah,they are. Everybody in the military that had a security clearance has their fingerprints on file. Maybe even those who didn't have security clearances,for all I know. I had a Secret clearance when I was a Private E-2 because I was trained to work with cryptographic machines and code pads,and everybody in SF has a Secret or Top Secret security clearance. It's a basic requirement. I may be wrong,but I THINK I have read that the military now even keeps DNA samples from all service members in order to make their remains identifiable if needed in the future. Or are you trying to tell us that you were a Naval officer without a security clearance? Or that security clearances weren't a requirement for Naval officers?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I have no idea of what you are talking about.
I have no idea of what you are talking about. Didn't you say you were a Naval officer that served aboard ships?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Never.
Not sure about military, but almost all cops are finger printed. I wasn't in 1994 but my department started fingerprinting just after I was hired.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
They started collecting DNA samples about 18-20 years ago.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
So what would you think of a mandatory one time class that would teach you how to carry and use a handgun responsibly? Especially the legal aspects of your actions if you have to use it. There are some people out there who have no clue whatsoever and would be more dangerous to innocents than to bad guys.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThey also noted that the weapons-permit fees generate funds for sheriff’s departments across the state. Last year, the permits raised $3.4 million for the departments.
#3. To: TooConservative, Department of Homieland inSecurity (#1)
the weapons-permit fees generate funds for sheriff’s departments across the state
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
Isn't that something like a slave renting their freedom?
#5. To: GrandIsland (#2)
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The sheriff's department was only expected to do backgrounds on the applicants.
#6. To: TooConservative (#5)
was not a pistol permit as is common in some states. It was a permit to buy a handgun from a retail vendor. AFAIK, buying a gun via private sale was not covered by the law. It was a one-time permit to be able to buy the handgun and didn't need renewal.
#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)
After you pay 125.00 to the clerk for the application, then you pay 50.00 to the clerk for your fingerprints.
#8. To: GrandIsland (#4)
What state do you live in?
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#9. To: hondo68 (#8)
most retired NY fags
#10. To: TooConservative (#7)
Fingerprinted like some criminal? No thanks.
#11. To: GrandIsland (#9)
Hell, your nazi metropolis even has cornered the market on serial killers.
#12. To: tpaine (#11)
I give up.. Which California "nazi metropolis --- has cornered the market on serial killers"?
#13. To: tpaine (#11)
#14. To: tpaine (#11)
#15. To: GrandIsland (#14)
#16. To: tpaine (#15)
#17. To: tpaine (#15)
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#18. To: GrandIsland (#13)
(Edited)
You gotta stop defending that shithole.
Don't give me anymore of your SPIN
#19. To: tpaine (#18)
The State itself is not a shithole.
#20. To: tpaine (#18)
(Edited)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XTmyXIf.jpg[/IMG]
#21. To: TooConservative (#5)
#22. To: GrandIsland (#20)
#23. To: TooConservative (#5)
I got a permit to purchase a handgun handwritten by the sheriff.
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)
Buy used ones from local places for barter or cash.
#25. To: tpaine (#22)
Your link doesn't work.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Or get a bow and arrow.
#27. To: Fred Mertz, GrandIsland, (#25)
#28. To: tpaine (#27)
You just can't handle the truth
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#30. To: GrandIsland (#29)
Thanks Fred
#31. To: GrandIsland (#28)
Where is your sense of humor?
#32. To: tpaine (#31)
I laugh at you all the time, grandi... You're a funny guy, in every way
#33. To: TooConservative (#7)
Fingerprinted like some criminal? No thanks.
#34. To: sneakypete (#33)
#35. To: TooConservative (#34)
No, they aren't.
#36. To: sneakypete (#35)
Or are you trying to tell us that you were a Naval officer without a security clearance? Or that security clearances weren't a requirement for Naval officers?
#37. To: TooConservative (#36)
Or are you trying to tell us that you were a Naval officer without a security clearance? Or that security clearances weren't a requirement for Naval officers?
#38. To: sneakypete (#37)
#39. To: sneakypete (#35)
Everybody in the military that had a security clearance has their fingerprints on file. Maybe even those who didn't have security clearances,for all I know.
#40. To: sneakypete (#35)
I may be wrong,but I THINK I have read that the military now even keeps DNA samples from all service members in order to make their remains identifiable if needed in the future.
#41. To: hondo68, GrandIsland, tpaine, redleghunter (#0)
Senators approved a bill Friday that could make West Virginia the sixth state to allow residents to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.
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