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Title: W.Va. Senate OKs bill to allow concealed carry without permit
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The Charleston Gazette
URL Source: http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20150227/GZ01/150229285
Published: Mar 3, 2015
Author: Eric Eyre
Post Date: 2015-03-03 18:58:33 by Hondo68
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Keywords: inherent right, God given CCW, natural rights
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Senators approved a bill Friday that could make West Virginia the sixth state to allow residents to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. After reading aloud from the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, senators voted 32-2 for a bill (SB347) that allows people 18 and older to tote concealed guns. “The bill eliminates the crime of carrying a concealed weapon in West Virginia,” said Sen. Charles Trump, R-Morgan. The legislation next goes to the House of Delegates. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Vermont and Wyoming are the only states that allow residents to carry a hidden gun without a permit. West Virginia already allows open carry of a handgun without a permit. West Virginia law enforcement officials have expressed concern about the bill. They said the legislation could put officers more at risk. They also noted that the weapons-permit fees generate funds for sheriff’s departments across the state. Last year, the permits raised $3.4 million for the departments. However, senators who supported the bill kept coming back to the Second Amendment. “This is a United States constitutional right,” said Robert Karnes, R-Upshur. “The Second Amendment recognizes this inherent right.” Sens. Corey Palumbo, D-Kanawha, and Ron Miller, D-Greenbrier, voted against the bill. Sen. Mike Romano, D-Harrison, supported the concealed-carry permit repeal, but first offered what he called “common-sense” revisions that his colleagues ultimately rejected. Romano wanted to require that residents be at least 21 years old before they could carry a handgun without a permit. “To carry a .357 Magnum, we really should require them to be 21 years of age,” Romano said. But other senators said a 21-and-up age limit was “arbitrary.” “At the age of 18, we’re talking about parents of small children,” Karnes said. “And we’re going to say an 18-year-old who is able to enter into the contract of marriage, to have children, is not responsible enough to defend the family that he has?” Romano also wanted to require people to take a handgun safety course before they could carry a concealed weapon. Karnes argued that the training requirement was a “backdoor licensing scheme,” and senators voted down the amendment. Romano later voted for the bill that didn’t include any of his suggested changes. “I concluded long ago that the permitting process through the sheriff’s department is simply a hurdle for law-abiding citizens who carry a gun,” Romano said. “Criminals will carry a gun regardless of the process.”
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#13. To: tpaine (#11)
You gotta stop defending that shithole.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
"The USA has 76% of the worlds serial killers. Europe in second, has 17%. England has produced 28% of the European total; Germany produces 27%, and France produces 13%. * California leads in the US with the most Serial Homicide cases" Kookifornia is serial killer capital of the world. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
" --- California has the most known serial killers with 128. Washington state has 95. But per capita, based on 100,000 population, Washington finishes first at 1.61 killers per 100,000.// -- "
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Stati stics.pdf Check page 13
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Don't give me anymore of your SPIN. What does "per capita" do for the sheep of kookifornia? Make them feel better? You have the most... and almost TWICE as many serial killing victims. Kookifornian serial killers ARE OVER ACHIEVERS. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
The State itself is not a shithole. The people that are trying to run it are... Most of our politicians are majority rule authoritarian socialists, --- a lot like your buddies here on LF. I don't post spin. You just can't handle the truth.
Ranks top 5 in highest taxes High crime Huge huge huge state debt... lots of red Ranks among highest in gangs, illegals. High welfare, homeless and unemployment Worst statist gun laws and ammo bans. Shit, even Glock Gen 3's and 4's are outlawed. Thumbhole stocks... 50 calibers. Let's face it. It's a lost cause... it's like New York but with cold weather, earthquakes and smelly hippies.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You just can't handle the truth.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Thought you were in a deep red state. You need permits for handguns?
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
Your link doesn't work. The state itself is not a shithole. The people that are trying to run it are... Most of our California politicians are majority rule authoritarian socialists, --- a lot like your buddies here on LF.
Buy used ones from local places for barter or cash. I traded my old riding lawn mower for one years ago with a tavern friend.
Or get a bow and arrow.
The link works if you separate the wheat from the gibberish.
Now you're making sense for a change. I had one in my youthful days. I won't claim I was an expert, but I worked on it.
IMG]i.imgur.com/XTmyXIf.jpg[/IMG Whatta waste of time. Don't mail me crap like that, grandi, if you please.
Whatta waste of time. Don't mail me crap like that, grandi, if you please. Come on... you want the toof, you can't handle the toof. Where is your sense of humor? Do they tax that in Kookifornia, too?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Thanks Fred
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I aim to please. Would you please aim.
I laugh at you all the time, grandi... You're a funny guy, in every way..
Good, in every way. A sense of humor is important.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You were in the Navy,so your fingerprints are already on file. You have nothing to lose.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No, they aren't.
Yeah,they are. Everybody in the military that had a security clearance has their fingerprints on file. Maybe even those who didn't have security clearances,for all I know. I had a Secret clearance when I was a Private E-2 because I was trained to work with cryptographic machines and code pads,and everybody in SF has a Secret or Top Secret security clearance. It's a basic requirement. I may be wrong,but I THINK I have read that the military now even keeps DNA samples from all service members in order to make their remains identifiable if needed in the future. Or are you trying to tell us that you were a Naval officer without a security clearance? Or that security clearances weren't a requirement for Naval officers?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I have no idea of what you are talking about.
I have no idea of what you are talking about. Didn't you say you were a Naval officer that served aboard ships?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Never.
Not sure about military, but almost all cops are finger printed. I wasn't in 1994 but my department started fingerprinting just after I was hired.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
They started collecting DNA samples about 18-20 years ago.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
So what would you think of a mandatory one time class that would teach you how to carry and use a handgun responsibly? Especially the legal aspects of your actions if you have to use it. There are some people out there who have no clue whatsoever and would be more dangerous to innocents than to bad guys.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I don't mind the idea... I'm concerned in two areas over the idea. 1) Can we trust any government, Fed, State or local, that hosts such a training, to not track or compile personal info from class applicants, for the purpose of knowing who is armed with handguns? 2) Who pays for the training, and I don't want another government agency responsible for the task or an existing growing bigger to handle the task. If those can be solved, great idea. I've seen some pretty poor firearm handling skills in my time.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
There are some people out there who have no clue whatsoever and would be more dangerous to innocents than to bad guys. I think everyone if they have one brain cell, should take a certified NRA safety and shooting class. It's just responsible gun ownership and citizenship. Did I say mandatory? No! Just responsible. Especially for those who have not handled guns in their civilian, military or law enforcement lives. Nothing worse than some idiot who just got a 'new toy' going around like John Wayne.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
would be more dangerous to innocents than to bad guys Registration leads to confiscation. History has proven that governments are the most dangerous.
A classic. LOL.
Many states have training for all young people getting hunting licenses. Like between ages 10 to 30. Above 30, they don't have to take the class. To actually hunt, a 10yo has to be accompanied by a trained hunter who is certified and is at least 18yo and he can only take out one apprentice hunter at a time. I find this a little restrictive but most states that go in this direction have very few complaints. Often, these classes are conducted by local sheriffs or deputies for free or for a modest fee. Some states have the same kind of system for bow certification and apprentice hunting for young bow hunters. I recall a friend of mine and how he bragged that his daughter out-scored and out-shot the dozen 10yo boys that she took the class with. But then, I also recalled her at age seven walking around in her little purple eyeglasses with her favorite dolly in one hand and her .22 rifle in the other, out to hunt with her dad. Couldn't have been any cuter.
We need more young ladies like!
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
Sorry about that. I thought you were a veteran.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Wouldn't they pretty much have to have your fingerprints on file so they could eliminate them at crime scenes? I honestly don't have a clue why anybody would worry about the government having their fingerprints on file unless they are or plan on being career criminals. It ain't like cops stop you on the street at random and take your fingerprints to see if you are who you say you are.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I remember that one from years ago. Got to give the foot shot guy credit for maintaining his composure. LOL
LOL! Why don't you just go ahead and show up at my door with a wheelchair and attendants to take me to the "home"? Geeze! Some people really know how to rub it in.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It has been MY experience that these people are afraid of guns,realize they know nothing about how to handle these dangerous instruments,and look up people like me who are more experienced with them for training and advise. Sadly,they usually don't listen to my advise about what to buy and carry because they always want to have what the cops and action star tv and movie guys carry. Had one woman in her late 50's who had never shot or even held a handgun before insist on buying a 1911A1 because that is what I was carrying,and there wasn't a thing in the world I could say to her to convince her that wasn't a "beginner's gun". Other than that they do listen about safe handling.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No. They are governments,and governments are bureaucracies that love paperwork and records like the Pope loves God. They just can't help themselves. Why not let gun shops offer firearms training,and insist any records they keep be kept private without individual warrants? Even if they aren't interested themselves,they definitely have a customer base they can tap into that would be willing to take on part-time jobs teaching firearms safety and shooting.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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#14. To: tpaine (#11)
#15. To: GrandIsland (#14)
#16. To: tpaine (#15)
#17. To: tpaine (#15)
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#18. To: GrandIsland (#13)
(Edited)
You gotta stop defending that shithole.
Don't give me anymore of your SPIN
#19. To: tpaine (#18)
The State itself is not a shithole.
#20. To: tpaine (#18)
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XTmyXIf.jpg[/IMG]
#21. To: TooConservative (#5)
#22. To: GrandIsland (#20)
#23. To: TooConservative (#5)
I got a permit to purchase a handgun handwritten by the sheriff.
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)
Buy used ones from local places for barter or cash.
#25. To: tpaine (#22)
Your link doesn't work.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Or get a bow and arrow.
#27. To: Fred Mertz, GrandIsland, (#25)
#28. To: tpaine (#27)
You just can't handle the truth
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#30. To: GrandIsland (#29)
Thanks Fred
#31. To: GrandIsland (#28)
Where is your sense of humor?
#32. To: tpaine (#31)
I laugh at you all the time, grandi... You're a funny guy, in every way
#33. To: TooConservative (#7)
Fingerprinted like some criminal? No thanks.
#34. To: sneakypete (#33)
#35. To: TooConservative (#34)
No, they aren't.
#36. To: sneakypete (#35)
Or are you trying to tell us that you were a Naval officer without a security clearance? Or that security clearances weren't a requirement for Naval officers?
#37. To: TooConservative (#36)
Or are you trying to tell us that you were a Naval officer without a security clearance? Or that security clearances weren't a requirement for Naval officers?
#38. To: sneakypete (#37)
#39. To: sneakypete (#35)
Everybody in the military that had a security clearance has their fingerprints on file. Maybe even those who didn't have security clearances,for all I know.
#40. To: sneakypete (#35)
I may be wrong,but I THINK I have read that the military now even keeps DNA samples from all service members in order to make their remains identifiable if needed in the future.
#41. To: hondo68, GrandIsland, tpaine, redleghunter (#0)
Senators approved a bill Friday that could make West Virginia the sixth state to allow residents to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.
#42. To: CZ82 (#41)
So what would you think of a mandatory one time class that would teach you how to carry and use a handgun responsibly? Especially the legal aspects of your actions if you have to use it.
#43. To: CZ82, hondo68, GrandIsland, tpaine (#41)
So what would you think of a mandatory one time class that would teach you how to carry and use a handgun responsibly? Especially the legal aspects of your actions if you have to use it.
#44. To: CZ82 (#41)
what would you think of a mandatory one time class
Highly trained government LEO explains.... The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#45. To: hondo68 (#44)
#46. To: redleghunter, GrandIsland (#43)
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I think everyone if they have one brain cell, should take a certified NRA safety and shooting class. It's just responsible gun ownership and citizenship. Did I say mandatory? No! Just responsible. Especially for those who have not handled guns in their civilian, military or law enforcement lives.
#47. To: TooConservative (#46)
But then, I also recalled her at age seven walking around in her little purple eyeglasses with her favorite dolly in one hand and her .22 rifle in the other, out to hunt with her dad. Couldn't have been any cuter.
#48. To: TooConservative (#38)
Never.
#49. To: GrandIsland (#39)
Not sure about military, but almost all cops are finger printed.
#50. To: hondo68 (#44)
#51. To: CZ82 (#40)
They started collecting DNA samples about 18-20 years ago.
#52. To: CZ82 (#41)
There are some people out there who have no clue whatsoever and would be more dangerous to innocents than to bad guys.
#53. To: GrandIsland (#42)
1) Can we trust any government, Fed, State or local, that hosts such a training, to not track or compile personal info from class applicants, for the purpose of knowing who is armed with handguns?
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