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Title: Booting from flash drive (Win 7 - XP)
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://ChuckW
Published: Mar 2, 2015
Author: Chuck_Wagon
Post Date: 2015-03-02 15:53:26 by Chuck_Wagon
Keywords: None
Views: 32739
Comments: 123

Just suppose that I wanted to create a machine that would
boot from a USB flash drive - a relatively big flash drive -
32gb to 64gb - or whatever is required.
And I wanted this thing to boot either Win7 or XP.
Anybody here have any experience with such an experience?

FYI - I am planning to create this thing on a new Zotac
'ZBox' with a Celeron processor and 4GB of memory (which I
have - the memory - not the Zbox).

So what I'm basically trying to do is create a 'disk-less'
computer. Shouldn't be fraught with problems - Eh?

Thanks for any help / insight!

ZBOX 1320-U:

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#1. To: Chuck_Wagon (#0) (Edited)

You likely be better off with smaller notebook 2.5" flash drive that is designed for use as a system drive. Typically these have RAM for caching data and eliminating a lot of disk rewrites (that would shorten a USB flash drive's lifetime). And they have a true disk interface. USB just isn't as good.

USB is also potentially a source for unstoppable computer viruses to hide out.

Look at Amazon and you'll find 32GB Crucial solid-state drives with 3Gbps SATA interface for $38 or instead choose a 128GB Seagate drive with 6Gbps SATA3 interface for under $60 (I'd urge you to consider this one as it is a reputable drive with a good record, very fast, and will work quite well with these Zotac units you're considering and it is four times bigger with a better interface for only twice the price).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-02   17:54:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative, Chuck_Wagon (#1)

You likely be better off with smaller notebook 2.5" flash drive that is designed for use as a system drive

I agree. USB thumbdrives are great for portability, and using "your computer" on different actual machines (like a repair technician might do.) But USB drives are also very slow compared to an internal drive.

I just received a ZBOX 1320-U with 4Gb of RAM on Saturday and put a Western Digital 320 Gb SATA II drive in it that I bought last year for $45. Today it's only $30 + shipping, and the newer/faster SATA III is $39 & FREE SHIPPING.

Working great with mint linux installed. But running off the USB (thumb drive and external dvd) is noticeablly slower than the internal hard drive.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-03-02   19:00:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Willie Green, TooConservative, Pridie.Nones, cranky (#4)

...noticeablly slower...

...forget it..

The only reason I am considering this bootable USB
option is the problem of installing a 2.5 inch
drive in a little bookshelf case.

I have a little problem - my right hand and arm are
mostly paralyzed - which makes working on itsy bitsy,
teeny, tiny things like SATA connectors difficult
for me to do. So I was thinking: "If I can..." -
I'm sure y'all get the general idea I was getting at.
'Ease of assembly' was what I was aiming for.

See, last time I had to do something like this, Staples
charged me $40 bucks. Which isn't really that much,
but it annoys me to pay that to do something as simple
as install a hard drive. I have a friend who is competent
enough to do it, but I don't want to keep annoying him
with my problems. I have another friend who used to run
his own computer/electronics repair shop - but he and
wife and kids moved to West Virginia.

So if I'm going to pack all of the parts into a box and ship
it to WV with a note and cash for return shipping, and
annoy HIM, I might as well grab my wallet and drive 2 miles
to Staples...

Thanks for your help folks!

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-03-03   12:37:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Chuck_Wagon (#7)

See, last time I had to do something like this, Staples charged me $40 bucks.

A five minute job.

Surely you could hire a neighborhood kid to do this for you. If you can handle opening and closing the case yourself, it's a two-minute job.

Watch Willie's vids. A lot of laptops and tiny PCs with 2.5" drives are built so that the drive is almost self-guiding into a groove and onto the SATA data/power connectors. It is much much easier than messing around with IDE cables and power cords.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-03   15:33:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#11)

Try doing it with one hand.
A pain in the zorch - trust me.
Many things are.
Try changing a tire one-handed. Ehhh.....

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-03-03   16:11:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Chuck_Wagon, TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#14)

Try doing it with one hand.
A pain in the zorch - trust me.

Don't do it yourself, you g**damned retard.

Well they lopped-off my left leg above-the-knee a-year-ago-Christmas, so I'm not as unsympathetic to your plight as Fred. But seeing as I actually have a Z-Box, I decided to conduct an experiment and accept your challenge.

And I am quite pleased to report: Success!!!

Using ONLY my left hand (and I'm right-handed):

  • I opened the case of my Z-Box.
  • I removed the hard drive
  • I reinstalled the hard drive
  • I removed 1 stick of RAM
  • I decided removing the 2nd stick of RAM was unnecessary and wouldn't prove anything
  • I replaced the 1st stick of RAM
  • I closed the cover on my Z-Box and plugged everything back together.

Yeah, it is a bit more awkward than using two hands (especially since my left hand is all thumbs.) Nevertheless, the whole experiment didn't take me much more than 10~15 minutes, if that much.

But in the end, you'll have to judge for yourself whether you think you're up to it or not... Just don't go spending $40 for somebody to do it for you... it's waaaaaaay too easy... I'd say $5 max... or just buy him a beer...

Willie Green  posted on  2015-03-03   18:32:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#18. To: Willie Green (#16)

Nice post.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-03 18:50:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Willie Green (#16)

Okay.

Sorry about your leg.

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-03-03 19:50:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Willie Green (#16) (Edited)

And I am quite pleased to report: Success!!!

Good job. Thanks for the inspiration in your experiment.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-03-03 21:18:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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