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Title: Why Iran Believes ISIS is a U.S. Creation
Source: Time (yeah, it still exists in dental offices)
URL Source: http://time.com/3720081/isis-iran-us-creation/
Published: Feb 26, 2015
Author: Kay Armin Serjoie
Post Date: 2015-03-01 08:09:05 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 19233
Comments: 91

"We believe that the West has been influential in the creation of ISIS"

Iran has taken a lead role in defending the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad and strengthening the Baghdad government in the war against the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS). But that doesn’t mean Iran views the United States as an ally in that war, even if they share a common enemy in ISIS.

Abdullah Ganji, the managing-director of Javan newspaper, which is believed to closely reflect the views of the government and the powerful Iranian Revolutionary Guards, says that U.S. support for ISIS is in fact a way of ensuring Israel’s security and disrupting the Muslim world in the cause of advancing Western interests.

“We believe that the West has been influential in the creation of ISIS for a number of reasons. First to engage Muslims against each other, to waste their energy and in this way Israel’s security would be guaranteed or at least enhanced,” says Ganji. “Secondly, an ugly, violent and homicidal face of Islam is presented to the world. And third, to create an inconvenience for Iran.”

Iran’s relations with the U.S. have been strained since the 1979 Islamic Revolution ousted the U.S.-backed Shah of Iran and negotiations are currently underway between Iran and Western nations, including the U.S., to ensure the Islamic Republic does not produce nuclear weapons.

Ganji went on to say that much of ISIS — its propaganda, structure and weapons — were all the work of the West. “A group that claims to be an Islamic one and has no sensitivity towards occupied Muslim lands in Palestine but is bent on killing Muslims as its first priority, it’s not a movement with roots in Islamic history. Not only many of its weapons but its methods of operation, its propaganda methods and many of its internal structures are Western, that’s why we are distrustful of the roots of ISIS,” he says.

“As the Supreme Leader [Ayatollah Khamenei] also said, [the coalition forces] have on a number of times even made weapon drops for ISIS. How is it that they have laser-guided precision munitions and bombs but drop weapons for the wrong people? And not only once but at least a number of times,” he says, referring to incidents when weapons dropped from U.S. aircraft landed in ISIS-controlled areas rather than the intended Kurdish-controlled areas.

“Iran cannot cooperate with the United States against ISIS because it doesn’t trust America, it doesn’t believe in their honesty in combatting ISIS. Iran can’t trust the U.S. to begin something and to continue to the end. It acts patronizingly and will change its path whenever it feels it is justified. We are also worried that the U.S. is using ISIS as a pretext to return its troops into Iraq,” Ganji says. “I believe that the U.S. prefers a weak ISIS that cannot be a major threat but will still cause inconvenience for Iran, Iraq and Syria and generally what they themselves called the Shiite crescent.”


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I've read other reports that, across the Mideast, it is the majority view that ISIS is an American creation. Here, the Iranians make those accusations their official position.

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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)

The USA stirs up trouble, everywhere. There is no good reason for the USA to be militariy or politically involved half-way around the world meddling in the affairs of others.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-03-01   8:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pridie.Nones (#1)

There is no good reason for the USA to be militariy or politically involved half-way around the world meddling in the affairs of others.

I wouldn't go that far. We have always had foreign interests to protect going back to the early decades of the Republic.

But that is no excuse to turn the Mideast in a shootout at the OK Corral. The neocons often talk about it in terms of being like the Wild West, like they can just go in and shoot things up and it will all turn out so well ("greeted as liberators", Arab Spring, etc.). They actually discuss it among themselves in these terms. Appalling. And it is an obvious subtext in the warmongering rhetoric we hear from a number of these GOP candidates as they try to win favor (and hundreds of millions) in the Sheldon Adelson Primary.

I posted this in response to another poster who was discussing why Shi'a Iran hadn't gotten involved in driving Sunni ISIS from Shi'a Iraq, despite Iran's proximity to Iraq.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   9:56:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#3. To: TooConservative, Pridie.Nones (#2)

I've read other reports that, across the Mideast, it is the majority view that ISIS is an American creation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1670089.stm

Al-Qaeda's origins and links

BBC News
Last Updated: Tuesday, 20 July, 2004, 18:34 GMT 19:34 UK

Al-Qaeda, meaning "the base", was created in 1989 as Soviet forces withdrew from Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden and his colleagues began looking for new jihads.

The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/02/isis-al-qaida-obama-administration-argument-same-strikes-break

Obama maintains Al-Qaida and Isis are 'one and the same' despite evidence of schism

Counter-terrorism veterans question Obama administration rationale for strikes based on argument that rupture between groups is irrelevant

Spencer Ackerman in New York
The Guardian
Thursday 2 October 2014 15.57 EDT

The Obama administration is publicly conflating the Islamic State (Isis) and al-Qaida, taking a legally convenient position for its new war that dismisses a major public split between the two jihadist organizations.

While several US officials contend the rupture between Isis and al-Qaida is irrelevant – Secretary of State John Kerry has mocked it as a “publicity stunt” – the administration line undercuts its previous distinctions between al-Qaida’s core leadership, various affiliates and unrelated terrorist groups.

Amongst counter-terrorism veterans, the conflation is considered tendentious – and, to some, reminiscent of the Bush administration’s exaggerated linkages between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, part of the language that tried to sell the 2003 Iraq invasion.

While Isis began life as al-Qaida in Iraq, al-Qaida’s leadership ultimately renounced all ties and condemned the group in February 2014. It is believed to be the first time al-Qaida has declared itself “not responsible” for a former affiliate.

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#7. To: TooConservative (#2)

We have always had foreign interests to protect going back to the early decades of the Republic.

There is no republic.

Since WW2 (actually since the creation of the CIA) America has been entrenched in foreign intrigue on a massive scale. We shall never know the true measure of performance or the value thereof but we can guestimate it; the world is as dangerous as ever, indicating not just a waste of US tax dollars but complete failure of operations.

The American People deserve better than this military/political voyeurism and yet they vote for the same ol' shit, year after year.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-03-01 12:40:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative, tomder55 (#2)

I posted this in response to another poster who was discussing why Shi'a Iran hadn't gotten involved in driving Sunni ISIS from Shi'a Iraq, despite Iran's proximity to Iraq.

I explained it on the other thread.

1. The Persians know how far they can push their Arab Shia allies.

2. Persians wait for Arabs to finish killing each other. No matter Islamic affiliations.

Iran also had (probably still has) dealings with Sunni terror and insurgent groups. 2007-2009 when Maliki showed some independence from Tehran we started seeing EFP IED attacks on Iraqi security forces in Sunni areas. Interesting that the devices used were Iranian made.

It's a lot more untidy over there than many want to admit.

Iran wants uninterrupted rat lines to Hezbollah. The rise of ISIL challenges their freedom of maneuver and interior lines. Of course they will blame the US.

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