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Title: Black Privilege: Students Get SAT Bonus Points for Being Black or Hispanic – Asians Are Penalized
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201 ... hispanic-asians-are-penalized/
Published: Feb 28, 2015
Author: Jim Hoft
Post Date: 2015-02-28 04:55:57 by out damned spot
Keywords: students, black privilege, SAT
Views: 14596
Comments: 80

A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

The LA Times reported, via DownTrend:

Lee’s next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant’s race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

“Zenme keyi,” one mother hisses in Chinese. How can this be possible?

Downtrend also noted that college athletes also receive bonus points during the application process.

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#8. To: out damned spot (#0)

A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

Sounds about right.

Asians do okay in baseball but the real money in Title IX is football and basketball.

Without the bonus points, most negroes and mexicans could never get in a school let alone make a varsity team.

cranky  posted on  2015-02-28   8:33:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: cranky (#8)

Sounds about right.

Asians do okay in baseball but the real money in Title IX is football and basketball.

Without the bonus points, most negroes and mexicans could never get in a school let alone make a varsity team.

Athletics is a different skill set from what is tested on the SAT.

College is to prepare men and women for successful entry into adult life at a level far above the menial labor available to the uneducated, but education takes many forms, and university graduates serve many industries.

Sports in America is an $80 billion industry directly, and through the entertainment and construction aspects (broadcasts, commercialism, stadium construction, sports medicine, sports law, etc, there's another couple of hundred billion of added economic value, and growing.

Sports is a primary nexus of leisure, health and entertainment, and the athletes at the center of it, whatever the field, are the equivalent of Hollywood stars in bringing in interest and keeping people focused on their sport.

When the various pro-sports have their strikes and the leagues have brought in non-pro players to try to keep the season going, the difference between top-tier athletes and the very good second tier is visible… and the fan base drops off considerably.

Sports is a large industry that needs lots of well-trained people in it. Entertainment arts, particularly music, which takes years to master at a professional level, do not rely on the same skill sets as the office job skills for which the traditional SAT tests.

The bulk of people who go to college will graduate to office jobs, and therefore its entirely appropriate that the bulk of college entry be based on office-job related skills: sitting down to read and write and do math. Some variation of that is how the bulk of people make their living, and so the bulk of college admissions is based on that.

But there is no good reason for colleges to be limited exclusively to being finishing schools for office drones. The sports industry nexus is also massive and growing, and it needs trained talent too, at all levels. Within sports, there's always the need for office workers, but athletes respect athletes, and men and women who aspire to leadership in that industry need to be trained athletes at the top of their sports.

The training time it takes to be a top athlete cuts into study time on office-worker skills, and generally those who have a lot of athletic talent have the same desire to use their time expressing it as bookworms who get perfect SAT scores spend expressing theirs. Either type has the ability to rise to a very productive and lucrative role in society, with training.

Also, sports programs in university are the primary source of outside funding. Some industry or interested employer may fund some chair or other in an academic department - and government study money drives a lot of the size of university academic departments, but the sports programs - particularly the flagship mass entertainment sports - are profit centers. Sports are how the general public supports universities, happily, and the money that comes into universities through sports not only pays for the sports programs themselves, and the athletic scholarships, but also generates excess revenue that benefits the university as a whole, and in a capitalistic way. Government grants to academic departments fund the schools, but these are government tax dollars at work, transfer payments, and vaguely socialistic. The profits from sports programs come from the public paying to see things - average people WANT to give money to those things, and do.

So yes, it is true, any college that has a sports program is going to have a system that looks at athletes differently. Many athletes do not have the same SAT scores as the general office-bound college population…and they don't NEED to.

We could adopt a specialization mentality, and have institutions JUST for athletes, that have no sports programs at all, and then institutions for future office drones.

If we did that, the athletics nexus schools would be well funded and more athletes would get educations, but the regular office-drone schools - the standard university model of today, would be poorer for it in many ways. All students at colleges have access to athletic facilities, and most make use of them. Strip that away, and the general health of the office-drone track will suffer. Certainly the finances of the universities will suffer greatly, as sports is usually the main profit center after tuition.

Also, many students who brings great credit and glory to the universities would not go, preferring instead to go to the sports institutions.

This model already exists in much of Europe, and everywhere it does, the athletes benefit from it as there are clearly defined educational and career paths for them.

So yes, the sports could be taken out of the colleges, and the slots filled by high-athletic ability, lower-SAT students could be filled in instead with just more office-drone bound students. The sports could be concentrated at sports institutions. The result would be a considerable improvement in the lives of athletes, and a substantial diminution in the quality of most of the colleges and universities. Even the Ivies would suffer, because they have the same contingent of athletes as the other schools, often in other sports - the Ivies have realized what all schools have: athletes add some academic challenges, because some athletes are not as academically prepared, but athletes are for the most part more disciplined people who tend to do well in life, and they tend to understand teamwork and tend to be loyal their schools, and to work at getting the recruits.

The schools that disgrace themselves are the ones that admit great athletes who need remedial academic work and then don't give them the academic remediation. That's a mistake.

Strip the sports out of the schools, and you'll end up with poorer schools, less after-graduation support for the schools, much greater reliance on public funding, less healthy graduates overall…and you will remove the colleges as the source of the talent that fills up a several hundred-billion dollar niche of the economy.

Athletes, with their lower average SAT scores, generally IMPROVE the schools at which they attend, and the sports programs are net POSITIVES for the institutions that have them. If the colleges want to get out of the business of preparing people for athletic careers, certainly that can happen: there can be specialization, like in France and Russia and Germany, where the sports track breaks out and has its own institutions. This is much better, economically and educationally, for the athletes. But the rest of the drones who attend universities to become office workers do not benefit from the separation.

Harvard and Annapolis don't maintain a full sports program in all areas, and have different rules for athletics admissions out of the goodness of their hearts. And they don't do it out of blindness. They do it because as a whole athletes prove to be more successful people in life than non-athletes with higher SAT scores at age 18. The discipline it took in high school and junior high to be able to be admitted as a college athlete is harder and more demanding than the discipline it takes to get good math and English grades.

With musicians it is similar. Many of them have good grades, but once they go into music programs, the lion's share of their time is spent studying music. They're not being prepared for office jobs either. Exclude fine arts from the universities as well, and you'll end up with universities being nothing but training grounds for office drones, and that can be done with a lot less funding…and will be, because sports and the arts bring IN money. Tuition alone doesn't pay for the quality of colleges, and office drones don't give back to universities for years after they graduate the way that athletes and performers do.

Truth is, athletes and performers may have lower SAT scores, but they tend to form the most noticeable cream of most college's crop. Magic Johnson did more for Michigan State University than the Asian or White kid with the higher SAT score who would have taken his place did. And Magic Johnson's career path has employed a whole lot more people - office drones included - than the office drone Asian who might have taken his place.

There are physiological reasons that lead to a higher concentration of blacks in certain sports, and whites in others. There are sociological reasons why blacks tend to have lower grades. It is true that athletes will tend to have lower SAT scores, black athletes in particular, because of the sociological reasons. It is also true that over time, pound for pound, the admission of the black athlete with the lower score will almost certainly be of greater benefit to the university, and to the general economy, than admitting some other kid with a higher SAT score but without the athlete's discipline.

Of course there are only so many slots on teams, and the NCAA rules limit scholarships and impose standards to prevent colleges from simply exploiting the athletes (some do anyway). The answer to that is to make the colleges step up, not to get the sports out of the schools.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-28   9:31:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

You make a lot of assertions you can't prove to defend your premise.

You're suggesting that Harvard and MIT really need major sports teams to be a success. Yet their results over decades don't hold up to your argument.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   10:04:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#44. To: TooConservative (#11)

You should take a look at Harvard athletics - at Harvard they understand the utility of athletes as well, and athletes do not have to meet exactly the same academic standard for admission as others.

Of course Harvard is the best endowed school in the universe, and doesn't even need to charge tuition. Nevertheless, they have the same sports programs that other universities have.

MIT? Sure.

Apply what I wrote to every other school in America EXCEPT MIT and Cal Poly. People don't go to MIT to become athletes. They don't go there to become lawyers or financiers either.

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