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Title: The Two Shall Become One Flesh
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First Things
URL Source: https://www.firstthings.com/article ... ne-flesh-reclaiming-marriage-2
Published: Feb 26, 2015
Author: Evangelicals & Catholics Together
Post Date: 2015-02-26 22:04:36 by redleghunter
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In the Gospel of St. Mark, the Lord Jesus teaches that “from the beginning of creation ‘God made them male and female.’” He then declares a great and beautiful truth inscribed in creation: “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh” (Mark 10:6–8). For centuries, Christians have proclaimed these words at weddings, for they express the gift of marriage long recognized by all humanity and acknowledged by men and women of faith: Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. This truth is being obscured, even denied, today. Because of that, the institution of marriage, which is essential to the well-being of society, is being undermined. As Christians, it is our responsibility to bear witness to the truth about marriage as taught by both revelation and reason—by the Holy Scriptures and by the truths inscribed on the human heart. These age-old truths explain why Christians celebrate marriage—the coming-together of a man and woman in a binding union of mutual support—as one of the glories of the human race. Marriage is the primordial human institution, a reality that existed long before the establishment of what we now know as the state. As the most venerable and reliable basis for domestic happiness, marriage is the foundation of a just and stable society. Yet in our times this institution has been gravely weakened by the sexual revolution and the damage it has done to marriage and the family: widespread divorce; the dramatic increase in out-of-wedlock births; the casual acceptance of premarital sex and cohabitation; and a contraceptive mentality which insists that sex has an arbitrary relation to procreation. In this environment, families fragment, the poor suffer, and children are especially vulnerable and at risk. The decline of marriage culture is evident throughout the world, and where it is evident, the common good is imperiled. Poster Comment: God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply.” (Gen. 1:27–28)
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#20. To: redleghunter, All (#0)
But as Americans we must also recognize that we live under a secular government by choice and design. And as with every society since the beginning of mankind what may be legal may not always be moral and what may be moral may not always be legal. Would you prefer to live on a Judeo-Christian version of Sharia law?
How'bout just living on biological, natural, fact?
What is the biological, natural facts about love? I do not support the gay lifestyle, especially in those cases in which it is persued by choice. That said I cannot in any good conscience as an Amercian, as a Catholic see how gays can be, should be denied the rights enjoyed by straight people under the U.S. Constitution and State laws without a compelling state (read secular) reason for doing so. I have yet to be even slightly persuaded that gay civil unions represent an existential threat to the family or the fabric of society. Gays exist in nature, they are of nature. If you are a Christian you must believe that they are of God as well. We are not fanatical Islamists that believe that they must be killed. We must find a way to coexist in an fully integrated society that among other things believes that all men are created equal, that all men are equal under the law, and, in freedom of religion, all religion (even none). Leave it to God to sought us out.
Multigenerational reproductive success is what determines socibiological fitness. What's love got to do with that?
What's love got to do with that? So infertile people are unsocibiologically fit, worthless junk?
That would depend upon their behavior, and whether they worship themselves more than they obey the laws of Nature.
So infertile people are unsocibiologically fit, worthless junk? That would depend upon their behavior, and whether they worship themselves more than they obey the laws of Nature. Then please define what you mean by socibiologically fit.
Multiple generations of viable offspring. Infertile individuals can still increase the fitness of their culture. Homosexual activists have never increased the fitness of the various cultures they've infested.
Tell that to the U.S. Figure Skating Association:)
Should the Winter Olympics committee be forced to accept same sex figure skating pairs? Based on your line of reasoning to prohibit such is discrimination. I mean if two talented gay men want to skate against hetero couples pairs who are the Olympics committee to deny such./sarc
Look at the pictures and tell me what do you think I think? Then tell me what you think.
Like bestiality not the same sport. Those are same gender teams.
Ram, you meds are off tonight and not serving you well. When you can't see that same gender sport is the same thing as same sex sport we best stop this dialogue.
Figure skating pairs have always been one man with one woman. Should the Olympic committee be impelled to allow same sex figure skating? It has been one man and one woman for skating pairs since the beginning. Is that not a good reason to sustain traditional pair skating? And no. I don't take meds but given the hour it may be time for your warm milk and beddie bye. :)
Probably so. But that is no reason that men or women pair skating cannot become an Olympic event. Olympic events come and go. Remember Olympic baseball? And Olympic wrestling may be on the block. Do I need to remind you that marriage was not always one man with just one woman and that it wasn't that way from the beginning? By you logic only those events that were in the Olympics from the beginning should be allowed and no others. Sleep tight.
Remind us which of the various historical cultures that normalized homosexual behavior survived doing so?
Remind us which of the various historical cultures that normalized homosexual behavior survived doing so? No. I have posted on this before. Do some research. The truth is out there if you can handle it. But FTR, yours is a totally BS request that has nothing to do with the U.S. Constitution. Perhaps you too wish to trash that document and have the U.S. become a theocracy? Or perhaps you believe that the U.S. should ban interracial marriages or ban marriages other than between white Christians?
No. Can't provide a single example, can you. I have - and Nature always has the last laugh over those who abominate it in the context of their Utopian state-establishing quest.
I provided many on this forum. I am tired of carrying dolts that have nothing to meaningful add to the conversation. Do some research on my posts. You will be made to look very foolish. But if you don't want to believe me, just do a Google search. You will readily find historical examples of cultures that have accommodated homosexual behavior that have survived. There has always been an ebb and flow to human cultures. But here's a brain buster for you. Name one historical culture that has banned gay sexuality that has survived. Ancient Greece? Or perhaps ancient Rome? Ancient Egypt?
That isn't an actual argument. Homosexuality received various treatment in all those cultures over time. The Romans were actually far worse than the Greeks for libertine behavior. The Greeks do not actually deserve their widespread reputation for buggery or even for pederasty which the "queer theorists" have attempted to impose. It is not a true historical view of ancient Greece which was very complex and not uniform between the various
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAs Christians, it is our responsibility to bear witness to the truth about marriage as taught by both revelation and reason—by the Holy Scriptures and by the truths inscribed on the human heart.
#21. To: SOSO (#20)
Would you prefer to live on a Judeo-Christian version of Sharia law?
#27. To: VxH (#21)
How'bout just living on biological, natural, fact?
#63. To: SOSO (#27)
What is the biological, natural facts about love?
#65. To: VxH (#63)
Multigenerational reproductive success is what determines socibiological fitness.
#75. To: SOSO (#65)
So infertile people are unsocibiologically fit, worthless junk?
#78. To: VxH (#75)
#88. To: SOSO (#78)
Then please define what you mean by socibiologically fit.
#92. To: VxH (#88)
Homosexual activists have never increased the fitness of the various cultures they've infested.
#97. To: SOSO, VxH, Vicomte13, TooConservative, rlk (#92)
Tell that to the U.S. Figure Skating Association:)
#99. To: redleghunter (#97)
Should the Winter Olympics committee be forced to accept same sex figure skating pairs?
#101. To: SOSO (#99)
#103. To: redleghunter (#101)
Like bestiality not the same sport. Those are same gender teams.
#108. To: SOSO (#103)
#110. To: redleghunter (#108)
It has been one man and one woman for skating pairs since the beginning. Is that not a good reason to sustain traditional pair skating?
#119. To: SOSO (#110)
Do I need to remind you that marriage was not always...
#122. To: VxH (#119)
Do I need to remind you that marriage was not always...
#123. To: SOSO (#122)
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>>>Remind us which of the various historical cultures that normalized homosexual behavior survived doing so?
Do some research.
#125. To: VxH (#123)
Can't provide a single example. Can you.
#128. To: SOSO (#125)
But here's a brain buster for you. Name one historical culture that has banned gay sexuality that has survived. Ancient Greece? Or perhaps ancient Rome? Ancient Egypt?
Greek Grecian city-states.
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