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Title: Dad hits back after ... 'false arrest' at school meeting --- over daughter's X-rated reading assignment
Source: wnd.com
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/dad-hits ... ol-meeting/?cat_orig=education
Published: Feb 26, 2015
Author: Leo Hohmann
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Dad hits back after 'false arrest' at school meeting

Spoke out against daughter's X-rated reading assignment

Leo Hohmann

Leo Hohmann is a news editor for WND. He has been a reporter and editor at several suburban newspapers in the Atlanta and Charlotte, North Carolina, areas and also served as managing editor of Triangle Business Journal in Raleigh, North Carolina.

A New Hampshire man who was handcuffed and arrested for speaking his mind at a local school board meeting last year has filed a lawsuit against the police, alleging violations of his civil rights.

The criminal charges against William Baer of Gilford, New Hampshire, were tossed out of court by Belknap County Judge James Carroll in December, as WND previously reported.

Then-Acting Police Chief James Leach, who made the arrest, could have dropped the charges but elected not to, said Baer, who was arrested while addressing the board about a reading assignment given to his daughter’s ninth-grade class that included sexually explicit material.

“Lieutenant Leach, and Police Chief (Anthony) Bean Burpee, both took an oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” Baer told WND. “Lieutenant Leach violated my rights when he silenced and arrested me, and Chief Bean Burpee continued to violate my rights by prosecuting me for nearly seven months.

“These men abused their authority and their positions under color of law. The ‘law enforcers’ became lawbreakers and must be held to account.”

Citizens exercising their First Amendment rights have been roughed up by police not just in New Hampshire in recent years.

WND reported last year on the case of Eddie Overholt, a 76-year-old military veteran who was arrested at a Greene County, Tennessee, board of commissioners meeting because he stood up and requested that the board members speak louder so the audience could hear.

Just last week another man, Jeffrey Clay, was arrested at an Alton, New Hampshire, city council meeting for asking his elected leaders to resign due to “poor actions” and “poor decisions,” the Manchester Union Leader reported.

Press reports abound of other parents who attempted to address their local school boards about the controversial Common Core national education standards and ended up being ushered out, sometimes in handcuffs.

In one such case, in Baltimore County, Maryland, a parent was approached by a burly security guard, pushed, shoved, threatened and eventually handcuffed and forced to leave the meeting, reported Examiner.com, which also published a video of the incident.

Baer said his lawsuit is as much about stopping the national trend as it is seeking justice for himself.

He said it’s time for elected leaders to stop trampling the First Amendment rights of citizens. The video of his arrest went viral on YouTube, attracting more than 1 million views.

Baer spoke in opposition to a reading assignment given to his daughter, Marina. The book, “Nineteen Minutes,” by Jody Picoult, contained graphic descriptions of a violent sexual assault that, in Baer’s opinion, was not age-appropriate for a 14-year-old.

The school officials said the book had “important themes” to be studied about a school shooting.

Parents were not properly notified ahead of time about the assignment’s explicit content. Many concerned parents on both sides of the issue showed up at a tense May 5, 2014, school board meeting.

Several news reporters and at least one videographer were also present, according to the local newspaper, the Laconia Daily Sun.

Chairwoman Sue Allen opened public comment and limited each speaker to two minutes. The officer, Leach, was at the meeting, in uniform and initially standing off to one side, according to the Sun.

Watch video of William Baer’s arrest below:

Baer spoke for two minutes and was told by resident Joe Wernig that his time was up. Baer finished his thought and sat down. Wernig lives in Gilford and is a professional educator in a neighboring school district.

Two others spoke and were followed by Wernig, who accused Baer and other parents of trying to “dictate” what his kids could and could not read. Baer interjected, without being recognized, that Wernig’s statement was false and he was told by Allen to respect other speakers.

“Like you’re respectful of my daughter, right, and my children?” Baer told the chairwoman.

Baer said the school’s actions were “ridiculous” and that those present were getting a “civics lesson” on the First Amendment.

After a nod from Allen and Superintendent Kent Hemingway, Leach approached Baer and told him he was being asked to leave. He gave him no prior warning and Baer said, “I guess you’re gonna have to arrest me.”

Leach removed Baer by grabbing his wrist and leading him from the meeting room, all of which was captured on video. He was taken outside, handcuffed and arrested.

Leach did not respond to WND’s request for comment Wednesday. His boss, Gilford Police Chief Anthony Bean-Burpee, also did not return WND’s phone call.

Baer said he may include others on the lawsuit, but for now it’s just Leach being sued. At the time of the incident, Leach was the acting police chief, Baer said, and answered to no one.

“My inclination would have been to name everyone, and sort it out later. The attorneys representing me thought the action was primarily stemming from the false arrest,” he said. “If through discovery we find evidence that the school board/administration basically conspired to have me shut up at the meeting, we will add them as defendants.”

Baer has retained former Rep. Charles Douglas III as his attorney.

“Chuck Douglas was a U.S. congressman and served on the New Hampshire Supreme Court for 12 years,” Baer said. “This guy is a heavy hitter in New Hampshire. I picked him for very specific reasons so he could not just be looked at as some sort of ambulance chaser. When people see his name on the suit, they will know this thing is for real.”

Baer said he is also being advised by Charlottesville, Virginia-based The Rutherford Institute, which defends Americans against government abuse and overreach.

Marina Baer addressed the board after her father was arrested.

“I just watched my father get arrested because he broke the two-minute rule at a board of education meeting,” she said. “This just shows you resort to force at the first turn of conflict and I’m appalled.

“I don’t trust you. I haven’t. I honestly don’t feel safe around you people,” she said, before turning away to leave.

Baer said in December that his life and the lives of his family had been thrown into disarray by the arrest.

“After seven-and-a-half months of being pursued by the State of New Hampshire, through the Gilford Police Department and School Board, I am obviously pleased that all charges have been dismissed. Belknap County Judge James Carroll showed me there still is some justice in our system,” he said.

He had been charged with three counts of disorderly conduct.

“Make no mistake, these three criminal charges against me were not ‘dropped’ by Gilford Police Chief Bean Burpee and his prosecutor Sgt. Eric Bredbury; they were dismissed by a New Hampshire circuit court judge after a full hearing,” Baer said. “In spite of having months to review the law and the facts, the prosecutor refused to drop the charges or even propose a plea, but rather continued to seek a conviction to justify the state’s violation of my First Amendment right of free speech, and my unlawful arrest.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/dad-hits-back-after-false-arrest-at-school-meeting/#uQIde1MqrrL2Y2Lr.99


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#1. To: willie watermellon green (#0)

common rotten core

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The left is beating us for several reasons. First, they are aggressive as well as committed to their foolish ideas. They use constant propaganda and they know how to put lipstick on a pig. Right-wingers are slow to realize that the the Constitution is being constantly ignored or watered-down. They have also been slow to recognize that the police and the courts as well as the government agencies that manage the country have been corrupted. And right-wingers are slow to realize that the the balance of power between the 3 branches of government no longer exists.

The Regressives didn't fundamentally change America, they sabotaged it.

And now they are ... just destroying the Judeo- Christian culture --- that has kept us united.

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   12:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tea Party Reveler (#0)

I have the feeling this article might be your cup of tea.

I must be psychic or something.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   12:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GrandIsland (#0)

At the time of the incident, Leach was the acting police chief, Baer said, and answered to no one.

That is probably the whole story in a nutshell. Lack of training and experience and arrogant to boot.

A lesson for any municipality or county here.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   12:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BorisY (#0)

Watch video of William Baer’s arrest below:

Hey, dillrod, why don't you include the proper video?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   12:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative, yukon (#4) (Edited)

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   13:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BorisY (#0)

"I just watched my father get arrested because he broke the two-minute rule at a board of education meeting,” she said."

Yeah, he broke the two-minute rule, but he was given a pass. Later he spoke out of order and was asked to be quiet. He refused. Then he was asked to leave. He refused. Then he told the officer to arrest him. Which the officer did.

Now your father -- a lawyer -- is upset because the officer did what your father asked? Well, I hope you learned a lesson from this.

The book has been on the school reading list since 2007. Normally, the school sends out a notification to the parents which allows them to opt out of certain books. This year they screwed up and didn't. They admitted their mistake and, furthermore, will now switch to an "opt-in" policy.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   13:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6) (Edited)

the officer did what your father asked?

Still ... the police officer - dept --- should know better !

For the next two years the ... obomba crazies are going to go hyper crazy --- to perpetuate their change !

There's a ... head - on - massacre --- coming !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   14:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#6)

Normally, the school sends out a notification to the parents which allows them to opt out of certain books. This year they screwed up and didn't. They admitted their mistake and, furthermore, will now switch to an "opt-in" policy.

A virtual signed confession in the hands of a top attorney and state-wide legal eagle type. The dad certainly picked the right shylock to represent him. It must be costing him a fortune to put that guy on retainer.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   14:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BorisY (#0)

Everyone: You need to avoid driving through the City of Rio Ranchio, NM at all cost, they have Red Light Cameras and white SUV’s parked on the side of the road that take pictures and issue tickets, and because these tickets, they start at one hundred dollars, are not criminal, like those issued by the real police, but are civil, you do not have the right to demand to see the calibration dates, who calibrated them or ask for any other evidence that they don’t want to give you.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-02-26   14:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#6) (Edited)

The book has been on the school reading list since 2007. Normally, the school sends out a notification to the parents which allows them to opt out of certain books.

This year they screwed up and didn't. They admitted their mistake and, furthermore, will now switch to an "opt-in" policy.

Can't see the forest for the tree, eh? You are apparently missing several the overriding issues:

Baer spoke in opposition to a reading assignment given to his daughter, Marina. The book, “Nineteen Minutes,” by Jody Picoult, contained graphic descriptions of a violent sexual assault that, in Baer’s opinion, was not age-appropriate for a 14-year-old.

Q: Since Baer's daughter was assaulted against her will by perverse subject matter and agenda, what kind of psychological damage has been incurred? Moreover, the school officials said the book had “important themes” to be studied about a school shooting.

Do YOU believe this subject matter is "age-appropriate"? Does it really teach “important themes”? Or is it just a gratuitous learner-course in S&M 101? And since when should the 1A opinion of parents in a Kangaroo Court proceedings be superseded by the Brownshirt bouncers, who overreact when quelling "dissidents"?

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#6)

Yeah, he broke the two-minute rule, but he was given a pass.

Mighty WHITE of you and the Kangaroo Court.

Later he spoke out of order and was asked to be quiet. He refused.

I guess the opinion and truth of the matter is considered "out of order"??

The lesson: The State is Fascist; does NOT represent We The People; Certain Boards of Educations are run by subversives with a dark agenda, ignoring ALL standards of decency and REAL education in lieu of a social engineering and brainwashing. And there YOU are -- as well as the Neanderthals with badges backing this crap up.

Hey...anything for a paycheck. Whores.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BorisY (#7)

Still ... the police officer - dept --- should know better !

Their ONLY bottom line is in cashing in their paycheck, "just following orders," and getting off on bullying those who are defenseless. The sentries at these board meetings are feckless, unprincipled cowards.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#3)

I doubt this was a 1st amendment issue. It appears this disgruntled subject already used up his allotted time to speak. The public meeting must have rules and limitations or this subject will then remove the liberties and freedoms of the other parents that are there to speak. Even though he's most likely the most important person he knows, he isn't more important than any other person in there complying with the rules so everyone gets to speak.

He probably was given multiple chances to be fair to his peers... and he decided to act like a nazi jackbooted thug towards them and decided he was going to use their time to speak whether everyone in the room liked it or not.

Now, if he was never allowed to speak and was silenced because they knew they weren't going to like what he said... then YES, poor policing, heavy handed and quick to use LE. Somehow I doubt it... and somehow I think you know he acted a fool too.

He was probably removed for trespass... he doesn't have a constitutional right to enter and remain in that building if he was asked to leave.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GrandIsland (#13)

Now, if he was never allowed to speak and was silenced because they knew they weren't going to like what he said... then YES, poor policing, heavy handed and quick to use LE. Somehow I doubt it... and somehow I think you know he acted a fool too.

In other jurisdictions, they just get escorted out, possibly threatened with charges.

The board has a right to order. But arresting citizens for speech is most often a mistake even if it seems expedient.

The policy change means the board knows it has already lost to this guy.

Hopefully, we'll get a followup on the case after they get to court. That is, if they don't settle in advance. The fact they've flipped from an opt-out to an opt-in policy (which they had had since 2008) indicates just how much legal jeopardy the board and their attorney think they're in right now. Not to mention the inevitable public repercussions for each of them personally in their community.

The board is already running scared. And the state's top attorney is working for the dad. I'll wait to hear how it comes out.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   16:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#11)

"I guess the opinion and truth of the matter is considered "out of order"??"

You guess wrong.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   16:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GrandIsland (#13)

I doubt this was a 1st amendment issue.

It appears this disgruntled subject already used up his allotted time to speak. The public meeting must have rules and limitations or this subject...

This school board did NOT want this serf to speak his piece on a subversive subject that obviously takes longer than than the "normal" time allotment. Ergo, the Brownshirt treatment.

I doubt very much that Abdul or LaChantix would have been cuffed and treated like a Nazi prisoner under the same circumstances had they spoken over the affixed time limit.

This is...a Kangaroo Court. The Brownshirts and their unjustified over-aggressiveness are there to serve as discourage further objection.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#13) (Edited)

He was probably removed for trespass... he doesn't have a constitutional right to enter and remain in that building if he was asked to leave.

Let's not invoke the constitution, when the entire school board and agenda, and circus proceedings are fascist bulls***. That school is paid for with this guy's TAXES -- which are confiscated, regardless of school board agenda and subject matter consent.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#8)

It must be costing him a fortune

Baer said he is also being advised by Charlottesville, Virginia-based The Rutherford Institute, which defends Americans against government abuse and overreach.

Doesn't the lawyer get 1/2 the awards - settlement !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   16:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#14)

"The fact they've flipped from an opt-out to an opt-in policy (which they had had since 2008) indicates just how much legal jeopardy the board and their attorney think they're in right now."

Which demonstrates just how f**ked up our legal system is.

If the school board admits they screwed up and vows to make changes ... WHOA! Sue them! They admit they were wrong! Go get 'em! They confessed!

If, on the other hand, the school board denies any intentional wrongdoing and maintains the status quo, well, never mind.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   17:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#14)

"But arresting citizens for speech ..."

He was arrested for disorderly conduct only after all other options were exhausted.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   17:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#16)

This is...a Kangaroo Court. The Brownshirts and their unjustified over-aggressiveness are there to serve as discourage

That's the problem. That meeting isn't a court.... there are no state criminal procedural laws that govern school board fairness. Had this been a court he wouldn't have been allowed to act like he did... and he is a shinning example why we have so many rules in society. For the people that are the most important people they know.

He violated the liberties and freedoms of every one of his peers in that room.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Liberator (#17)

To: GrandIsland He was probably removed for trespass... he doesn't have a constitutional right to enter and remain in that building if he was asked to leave. Let's not invoke the constitution, when the entire school board and agenda, and circus proceedings are fascist bulls***. That school is paid for with this guy's TAXES -- which are confiscated, regardless of school board agenda and subject matter consent.

I agree with your school board agenda opinion. But it still doesn't give this person an unlimited timed, no rules speech... or the unfettered right to remain in that public building after the building personnel that's responsible for that building asks him to leave.

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#15)

Is the Almighty State EVER "out of order" in your opinion??

Uh, yes. ANY objection to a perverse agenda and mandatory inappropriateness of minors is "Out of order," only because the school board acts like a dictatorship, and it's LEO, like Brownshirts.

This school board is waaay out of order, as are those who endorse this entire charade -- between the censorship (not enough time to voice objection), as well as the Brownshirt treatment of a concerned parent and taxpayer.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#14)

He board has a right to order. But arresting citizens for speech is most often a mistake even if it seems expedient.

They do have a right to keep order, and he wasn't arrested for his speech, he was arrested for creating a disorderly condition with his speech.

He's lucky they didn't trespass him.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GrandIsland (#22) (Edited)

It still doesn't give this person an unlimited timed, no rules speech... or the unfettered right to remain in that public building after the building personnel that's responsible for that building asks him to leave.

I don't believe the concerned, justifiably irate parent was asking for "unlimited time" -- just enough to give opinions, and have legit questions address and answered. Instead he was treated like a piece of crap and criminal. The LEO treated him with ZILCH respect -- unlike the manner in which they would have treated a black, an Arab, a homo.

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

That's a cop out resolution.

Just because certain members of school board have been elected doesn't mean they have carte blanche to hijack and warp the education process, then treat the parents like children when they object. The subject matter is highly inappropriate, yet the school board in their arrogance dismiss and snicker at serf-parents whose minimal time to voice objection is met with derision and Brownshirt-type ejection. 14 year-olds who are being are being fed Sex & Violence 101 is NOT "educational." It's indoctrination.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GrandIsland (#22)

"Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on."

Your tagline makes no sense.

Is your "society" Detroit? Camden? Hollywood? Or Langley?

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#19)

If, on the other hand, the school board denies any intentional wrongdoing and maintains the status quo, well, never mind.

Must your wool be clipped on a daily basis?

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Liberator (#26)

Your tagline makes no sense.

My tag line makes a lot of sense.

EVERYONE should reap what they sow... including an unlawful and tumultuous civilian populace.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GrandIsland (#28) (Edited)

unlawful and tumultuous civilian populace

Isn't that what we have in the govt - wh !

1/3 rd impeachment proof - protection in the senate !

Who decides !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   17:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#25)

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

That's a cop out resolution.

Negative. It's what a civil society does.

He is the tyrant that removes the freedoms and liberties of his peers with his Brownshirt actions. The other people in that room have just as much rights to speech as he does. He wanted them to lick his boots while he spoke FOR THEM, DURING THEIR TIME... whether they liked it or not.

The right to speak is for EVERYONE, not just the nazi thug who is the most important person he knows.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: BorisY (#29)

Isn't that what we have in the govt - wh !

Who decides !

O'bunghole, IMHO, has been unlawful... but not necessarily tumultuous.

I have been waiting for our military to arrest and remove him... but they lack the balls.

So "who decides" will have to be the voting populace. Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#31)

destiny

' Little ' too fatalist for me !

I'm making waves ... piddle - paddle for now --- the terminal tsunami izz ccchhommmming !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   17:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: BorisY (#32)

' Little ' too fatalist for me !

More power to ya.

I hope you make that difference you feel can be made.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   18:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GrandIsland (#33)

To: illiac; All

I keep thinking that if it wasn’t for the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (( from appt to election )) ... that Congress would have impeached - removed lawless Obama * --- from office by now.

40 posted on ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2015‎ ‎11‎:‎17‎:‎54‎ ‎AM by Amendment10

* clington too !

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3261970/posts#40

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   18:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BorisY (#34)

I'm pretty sure we're stuck with that socialist pile of shit for another 2 years.

I'm more worried about KILLary. She truly is a gun and man hating socialist whore. O'bunghole is like a KILLary-lite

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   18:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland (#35)

I'm more worried about KILLary.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   18:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: BorisY (#36)

I'm more worried about KILLary.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Yup... we are fucked

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   19:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#28) (Edited)

My tag line makes a lot of sense.

It still doesn't.

To repeat: "Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves."

Your adjusted revisionism was altered to address the individual, which changes the entire context: "EVERYONE should reap what they sow..." This is totally different than the above tagline. Are you changing your mind?

Constitutional Civics, 101: The US Constitution is based on individual, rights, NOT the collective. The law does not indict and convict criminality according to groups or "society." Unless it is a government of tyrants and a dictatorship.

Do YOU deserve what Sharpton deserves? Does YOUR neighborhood deserve what Detroit deserves? Since when must I pay for your sin, or the sins of mutants, freaks, thugs, scofflaws, and anarchists?? That's patently communistic and collectivist.

Here's the second part of your tagline from Robert Kennedy: "What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. ~ Robert Kennedy"

This corollary is NOT "equally true." What is the difference between "community" and "society"??

A "community" is local, a sub-group. Is a "community your demographic? Is it defined as your immediate geographical neighborhood? Your religious brethren? The Neanderthals?

Again, you and Kennedy don't get it. It's intellectually sloppy, overlooking and ignoring INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS ~ the very foundation of the Bill of Rights. A "society" is a common sense of values, laws, and more often, a nation.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   0:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GrandIsland (#30) (Edited)

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

THIS above quote is all YOURS. You've italicized it, which is wrongly attributed it to ME.

Here's my previous simple response to that opinion of yours:

"That's a cop out resolution."

Negative. It's what a civil society does.

Affirmative. It's a local community's school board, which indeed HAD recourse if they found the elected school betraying the trust of the parents, and acted like Czars and arrogant mafia godfathers who give the middle finger to parents.

He is the tyrant that removes the freedoms and liberties of his peers with his Brownshirt actions. The other people in that room have just as much rights to speech as he does. He wanted them to lick his boots while he spoke FOR THEM, DURING THEIR TIME... whether they liked it or not.

You've reverse the truth of the matter, joined the politiburo bullies of the board, along with the their thug-bouncers in censoring, and short-circuiting legit concerns that required further debate. Thugs of feather can't stand to be exposed as fascists.

It's clear who boots demanded be licked and "authoritahs." And as usual, you back the wrong side. Remember this: Taxpayers are the boss of punk civil servants and punk LEOs -- NOT the other way round.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   0:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#38) (Edited)

Every society

Every society indicates to me... more than ONE society. Not the entire populace grouped into on as society. Had he met that, Kennedy would have said ... Society gets the kind of criminal it deserves.

Ferguson, as one example, deserved the animals they created. Those animals (society) deserved the police they had.

Mayberry deserved those nice people you saw on TV... and those nice people deserved Sheriff Andy Griffen or was it Taylor?)

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   0:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#39)

Affirmative. It's a local community's school board, which indeed HAD recourse if they found the elected school betraying the trust of the parents, and acted like Czars and arrogant mafia godfathers who give the middle finger to parents.

Negative. One big mouth feeling he was victimized does not equal betrayal. Even if I personally disagree with the book he's talking about.

He speaks his 2 minutes. If he gets no satisfaction than HE AND THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PARENTS PISSED OFF can make a difference by voting him in for change.... Then we come down to reality. It's just him pissed off.

Now he can remove his kid and homeschool.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   0:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: GrandIsland (#24)

They do have a right to keep order, and he wasn't arrested for his speech, he was arrested for creating a disorderly condition with his speech.

That's a stretch. No riot occurred and no one else seemed annoyed at all.

He's lucky they didn't trespass him.

Public meeting laws cover that. Being on a school board is not a job for citizens who can't afford to lose a minute of time. By definition, it entails endless wastes of time for all sorts of nonsense from the public, the staff, the students, etc.

Besides, this is liberty-minded New Hampshire, not jackbooted New York or New Jersey.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   0:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: GrandIsland (#41)

Now he can remove his kid and homeschool.

And wait for his big-gun attorney to bring home the bacon for him.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   0:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#39) (Edited)

You've reverse the truth of the matter, joined the politiburo bullies

I saw only one bully. It was him. He was the most important bully he knows. Bullying everyone else out of the freedoms and liberties (their rights to speak)

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   0:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TooConservative (#43)

And wait for his big-gun attorney to bring home the bacon for him.

I'm sure he'll sue... they always feel wronged. I doubt he will win a dime unless the school offers a smaller settlement than it will cost to defend his BS.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TooConservative (#42)

That's a stretch. No riot occurred and no one else seemed annoyed at all.

Not a stretch. It's proactive. He doesn't have an unfettered right to be there. He must follow the rules of the meeting. He wasn't. He needed to be removed so the meeting can go on. The rules are for everyone. He isn't the most important person there (even tho he thinks that).

The people in charge of that meeting do not have to wait until a riot starts to do something. He was given multiple chances.

TC, this is no different than the last 25 articles about a disgruntled tool bag getting evicted from a public forum... and you posters here cry foul every time.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GrandIsland (#40)

Every society indicates to me... more than ONE society. Not the entire populace grouped into on as society.

For example?

Ferguson, as one example, deserved the animals they created. Those animals (society) deserved the police they had.

Ferguson is arguably comprised of a subset of organized community that share the same laws, traditions, and tribal values. It's not really a "society."

Those animals (society) deserved the police they had.

That is to say, those individual Neanderthal who subscribed to ignoring the local, state, and federal laws and standard of decency required a vigorous and aggressive no-holds-barred enforcement of the law.

That said, the subject parent at the school board meeting did NOT deserve his abuse of an over-officious board of fascists and its glorified bouncers with badges. They'd both made a mockery of the system.

Mayberry deserved those nice people you saw on TV... and those nice people deserved Sheriff Andy Griffen or was it Taylor?)

Griffin played the role of Sheriff Taylor. Otis deserved to get his azz kicked by Barney.

That said, maybe you'd better reassess your tagline.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GrandIsland (#44)

I saw only one bully. It was him.

Totally wrong again.

The board of education advanced a subversive agenda, and was caught doing so.

Righteous anger is never wrong.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: GrandIsland (#46)

TC, this is no different than the last 25 articles about a disgruntled tool bag getting evicted from a public forum... and you posters here cry foul every time.

Wait until his attorney gets this in front of a NH jury. That's why the school board is running like cheap whores getting chased out of their brothel by the vice squad.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   1:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GrandIsland (#41) (Edited)

He speaks his 2 minutes.

An entire 120 seconds?? HA!

Not nearly enough to debate the case, and expose the bull*** and Kangaroo Court proceedings. And any sane person know it.

Now he can remove his kid and homeschool.

Fine. Where's he going to be refunded the taxes he was coerced into paying that are unconstitutionally confiscated by this gubmint monopoly? OR, will a "vote" change THAT??

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: GrandIsland (#41)

HE AND THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PARENTS PISSED OFF can make a difference by voting him in for change....

OR, were it 200 years ago, storming the bastion and tarring and feathering the little fascists and their Badges-for-Hire.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Liberator (#47)

That said, maybe you'd better reassess your tagline.

Negative. I like it.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Liberator (#50)

Fine. Where's he going to be refunded the taxes he was coerced into paying that are unconstitutionally confiscated by this gubmint monopoly? OR, will a "vote" change THAT??

I agree with you here... school taxes are socislism anyway... but he won't be the first to pay them and still homeschool.

Sucks to be him. Maybe he should go off the grid

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Liberator (#51)

were it 200 years ago,

If my aunt had testicles... she'd be my very strange uncle.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GrandIsland (#52)

Lol, of course you do. You'd have dug in at Little Big Horn. It'll remain trite nonsense.

Bobby Kennedy was a sound-byte machine, as was JFK.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: TooConservative (#49)

Wait until his attorney gets this in front of a NH jury. That's why the school board is running like cheap whores getting chased out of their brothel by the vice squad.

Maybe. Keep me posted.

If he wins a lawsuit I'll apologize for being wrong

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: GrandIsland (#54)

If my aunt had testicles... she'd be my very strange uncle.

Don't go poking around -- you might not like what you see (or feel.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Liberator (#55)

Bobby Kennedy was a sound-byte machine, as was JFK.

A good Kennedy is a dead one. Especially teddy... the swimmer.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#57)

Don't go poking around -- you might not like what you see (or feel.)

Your family must be closer than mine. I don't get close enough to my aunt to touch.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: GrandIsland (#53)

You're still missing the point; You can't be surrendering to fascist boards of education with NO legal, moral, or ethical grounds for subverting and indoctrinating the pods.

You gonna stand by still, Daddy as they teach communism, transvestism 101, and LEOs as "abusive oppressors"? Wait till your ox is gored...(oh wait -- you'll accept it until the next school board election, right?)

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#60)

You're still missing the point; You can't be surrendering to fascist boards of education with NO legal, moral, or ethical grounds for subverting and indoctrinating the pods.

He has a right to pull his child from the school and teach his moral and ethical ideals.

And I hope his kids keep talking in his class if they disagree with something he teaches... so he knows how it feels

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: GrandIsland (#21)

He violated the liberties and freedoms of every one of his peers in that room.

Oh, spare us the drama! That's the exact same attitude that's given us the Nazi brown shirt zero tolerance environment that your type would have imposed on everyone world over.

This is a father that was acting in the best interests of his daughter. Your suggesting that interest take a back seat to slightly passionate expression in regards to a very valid cause is much like the problematic attitude among police that is giving them a bad name, and in the case of 2 NY cops not long ago, getting them killed.

In any event, charges against the guy were dropped and now it's the arresting police officer that is the defendant, so the legal system has apparently found the arrest to be false, contrary to your assessment.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-02-27   2:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Pinguinite, GrandIsland (#62) (Edited)

Oh, spare us the drama! That's the exact same attitude that's given us the Nazi brown shirt zero tolerance environment that your type would have imposed on everyone world over.
Ah, once again Godwin's Law is drawn upon and comes into to play. You say “spare us the drama” and immediately go into full fallacy of irrelevance mode using Reductio ad Hitlerum when comparing GI’s views to those of a Nazi Brown Shirt. That’s great….LMAO!

The guy would not shut up and let the meeting continue in an orderly manner. He was asked to stop the disruptions. When he would not, he was asked to leave. He did not. The only way to finally quiet him down and let the meeting continue in an orderly manner was to place him under arrest in order to remove him. Of course the charges would be dropped unless be became violent.

What would you have proposed doing in this situation to prevent the obnoxious barking dog of libertarian anarchy chaos becoming even more gargantuan?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   5:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Gatlin (#63)

What would you have proposed doing in this situation to prevent the obnoxious barking dog of libertarian anarchy chaos becoming even more gargantuan?

We could shoot people as dumb as you and that would solve it but anarcho-libertarians are firmly committed to the non-aggression principle. Which is probably why you fear them so much.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   5:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: misterwhite (#6)

Two others spoke and were followed by Wernig, who accused Baer and other parents of trying to “dictate” what his kids could and could not read. Baer interjected, without being recognized, that Wernig’s statement was false and he was told by Allen to respect other speakers.

“Like you’re respectful of my daughter, right, and my children?” Baer told the chairwoman.

If this is true, Baer reacted only when he was personally attacked. He's just suppose to sit there and be trashed?

I'd have done the same thing as Baer.

It was wise of the judge to throw out this bogus charge.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-02-27   5:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Pinguinite (#62)

You're still missing the point; You can't be surrendering to fascist boards of education with NO legal, moral, or ethical grounds for subverting and indoctrinating the pods.

No, what I'm suggesting is that his freedoms, liberties and daughter are NO MORE IMPORTANT than anyone else in the room. Without obeying the rules of the meeting, he forces his peers to lick his boots. He's a nazi thug.

No drama... fact.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   8:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: TooConservative (#64) (Edited)

We could shoot people as dumb as you and that would...

Sound like something you would propose doing.

Is that the libertarian way, shoot people if they don't agree?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   9:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Liberator (#10)

"Do YOU believe this subject matter is "age-appropriate"?"

Not my call. That's a decision made by each parent.

"Does it really teach “important themes”?"

The school thought the book taught important lessons on bullying.

"And since when should the 1A opinion of parents ..."

He had his two minutes. Which was the rule of the meeting. But he wanted to dominate the meeting and not allow others THEIR 1A opinions to be heard.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: GrandIsland (#21)

"He violated the liberties and freedoms of every one of his peers in that room."

And that's the lesson his daughter should have learned. YOU are not the only one with rights.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Liberator (#23)

"ANY objection to a perverse agenda and mandatory inappropriateness of minors is "Out of order".

I challenge you to support that statement.

He was allowed his two minutes, as was everyone else, to object to that "perverse agenda". He did. But then he wanted to dominate the debate at the expense of others who deserved their chance to express themselves.

You're "Out of Order" for suggesting that HE should be allowed to violate the rules of the meeting to express an opinion you happen to agree with.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#25)

"The LEO treated him with ZILCH respect"

Just as he had ZILCH respect for other parents in the room who also wanted to be heard.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#48)

"The board of education advanced a subversive agenda, and was caught doing so."

That book has been on the school reading list since 2007.

Look up the definition of 'subversive'.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: misterwhite (#69)

And that's the lesson his daughter should have learned. YOU are not the only one with rights.

I think it's a lesson for those in LF that are so quick to spill that government blood to water their pot plants... the government IS NOT the only group of people that can reduce, limit or remove freedoms and liberties from the populace. Our PEERS can too... and that's why we have laws, rules and school board meeting regulations.

Is daughter will ultimately grow up twice as ignorant as this tool bag... and probably feel twice as important as her daddy feels.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   9:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: GrandIsland (#66)

Without obeying the rules of the meeting, he forces his peers to lick his boots. He's a nazi thug.

The video I saw showed the other attendees urging the fascists to let him speak.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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Deckard  posted on  2015-02-27   9:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#69)

And that's the lesson his daughter should have learned. YOU are not the only one with rights.

That isn't the lesson his daughter learned. This is Marina Baer addressing the same board a few minutes after her father's arrest. A very poised young girl under the circumstances, only 14.

If I wasn't for the dad before, I would be after seeing that video. And so will any jury they can empanel in NH.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   9:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: no gnu taxes (#65)

"If this is true, Baer reacted only when he was personally attacked. He's just suppose to sit there and be trashed?"

If you watch the beginning of the video, the parent simply says "these people" will be trying to dictate what his children can read. Baer was not mentioned by name.

And if "these people" were being trashed, why didn't they also rise up and speak out?

Here's the deal. The school has a policy of sending out notices to parents regading the reading materials. If the parents object to a book, they can "opt out". It's been that way for years.

Baer objects to that policy. So you tell me, what does Baer want instead? The only thing I can think of is allowing "these people" to dictate what other children can read. No?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deckard GrandIsland (#74)

The video I saw showed the other attendees urging the fascists to let him speak.

A few others agreeing with him is suppose to override the two-minute rule for others waiting to speak and have no time left to do so?

Your observation is stupidly biased and your rational is grossly flawed.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   10:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: TooConservative, GrandIsland (#75)

The daughter defended her father the same way people defend Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown -- by distorting the facts.

Her father was arrested because her father insisted on being arrested. He made it very clear on the video that an arrest was the only way to shut him up.

In addition, he was not arrested for violating the two minute rule. Actually, he exceeded his two minutes but was allowed to finish his thought. It was only later in the meeting that he spoke up out of turn. He was asked, politely, not to interrupt. He refused. He was then arrested for disorderly conduct.

Normally, I would applaud the daughter's support. But, in this case, it is misplaced loyalty.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   10:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Gatlin (#77)

"Your observation is stupidly biased and your rational is grossly flawed."

Gol darnit, Mr. Gatlin, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   10:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#77)

Your observation is stupidly biased and your rational is grossly flawed.

His observation is BIAS. He favors anything that butts heads with authority. Deckard is an anarchist. You will never conceptually reach an anarchist.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   10:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: misterwhite (#76) (Edited)

Here's the deal. The school has a policy of sending out notices to parents regading the reading materials. If the parents object to a book, they can "opt out". It's been that way for years.

Baer already won that point. They have switched from the opt-out policy they had since 2008 to a strict opt-in policy. Parents have to sign off to allow their 14yo children to read books with explicit descriptions of a very violent rape.

Of course, you can side with the make-'em-read-about-rape-unless-their-parents-object-in-writing faction but that is a very lonely position.

And keep in mind, they had already violated the board's own written policy by failing to send out the required notices. Schools are governed by superintendents day-to-day but it is the board that produces the policy book. In fact, writing policy and passing budgets and hiring/firing a superintendent is all that most boards ever do or can do. They also play a role in salary negotiation and in any legal proceedings.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   10:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Gatlin (#63)

Of course the charges would be dropped unless be became violent.

Again, it wasn't the case of a trial and him being found innocent. Charges didn't even go THAT far. Ergo, the court disagreed that he should have been arrested.

So "arrest" is now suitable not just for when an offence was likely committed, but also now simply as a preventive measure. That's your message. Being asked to do something by a cop is not a lawful order. Compliance with requests is voluntary, without concern of punishment, on its face.

You are doing a good job of degrading the so-called profession. People are simply not going to respect police that carry on like that. And people don't listen to requests OR demands from those they do not respect.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-02-27   10:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Pinguinite (#82)

You are doing a good job of degrading the so-called profession. People are simply not going to respect police that carry on like that. And people don't listen to requests OR demands from those they do not respect.

Arrest is based on PC. Show me were the court stated there wasn't enough "PC" for the arrest.

The court simply dropped the charges.... after MONTHS of legal bartering. Many things were considered to decide to drop this charge... things that this forum are not considering. I can guarantee you, lack of "PC" wasn't one of them.

Disobeying the police because YOU don't respect them in general, is a slippery slope. No different than me, as a police officer, not arresting someone that victimized YOU... because in general, I have no respect for you.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   11:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: TooConservative (#81)

"Baer already won that point. They have switched from the opt-out policy"

But that wasn't his point at the meeting. He objected to the book, not the opt out policy.

"you can side with the make-'em-read-about-rape-unless-their-parents-object-in-writing faction"

Opting out or opting in wasn't the issue here. He objected to the book.

"And keep in mind, they had already violated the board's own written policy by failing to send out the required notices."

Bingo! That was what it should have been about. Had Baer been notified, he would have been able to act how he saw fit. Even under the old "opt out" criteria.

He should have limited his two minutes to, "I should have been notified and I wasn't". Period. Instead, he went on and on about the book.

The notification policy has been in place for 8 years and it has worked just fine. One time the school screws up and forgets. The school admitted their mistake and switched to an "opt in" policy (which protects against future forgetfulness).

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   11:01:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: misterwhite (#84)

He should have limited his two minutes to, "I should have been notified and I wasn't". Period. Instead, he went on and on about the book.

That's why I've wasted little time on that fact. Because this tool bag would have acted like a Ferguson citizen regardless if he was notified.

He's the most important, constitutionally violated, person he knows.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   11:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Pinguinite (#82)

"Ergo, the court disagreed that he should have been arrested."

So by dismissing the charges, you think the court was simply disagreeing with the arrest? You think Baer should have been allowed to continue to disrupt the proceedings?

Or do you think a cop should be allowed to remove someone from a meeting with no legal justification?

Baer himself said that the only way to shut him up was to arrest him. Meaning he would have just walked right back in to the room.

The charges were dismissed because arrest itself solved the problem. That's all the dismissal meant.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   11:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Pinguinite (#82) (Edited)

He violated the rule. Then he was continually interruptive and became disruptive. He would not stop and was asked to leave. He refused to leave. All courteous methods to get him under control so the meeting could continue as planned failed. That type of inconsiderate selfish action appears to be okay with libertarians.

You are doing a good job of degrading the so-called profession.

You are doing a good job of representing libertarians.

And people don't listen to requests OR demands from those they do not respect.

I completely agree with you on this point.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   11:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Gatlin (#87)

That type of inconsiderate selfish action appears to be okay with libertarians.

That's because in general, they are the most important, constitutionally violated people they know. This causes them to lose site of how their unlawful actions removes freedoms and liberties from other peers.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   12:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: GrandIsland (#83)

Disobeying the police because YOU don't respect them in general, is a slippery slope.

Hey, I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm saying it's the real life consequence of promoting the attitude you're promoting here.

Respect must be earned. And if the police want respect, they need to earn it just like everyone else. Unfortunately, the profession attracts too many people that get a high over, literally, throwing their weight around.

I can guarantee you, lack of "PC" wasn't one of them.

If true, then there won't be a civil trial.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-02-27   12:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: GrandIsland (#88)

That's because in general, they are the most important, constitutionally violated people they know. This causes them to lose site of how their unlawful actions removes freedoms and liberties from other peers.

Of course this is hogwash.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-02-27   12:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Pinguinite (#90)

Of course this is hogwash.

We can agree to disagree.

Cops with big egos tend to be a little heavy handed or unreasonable.. SAME IS TRUE WITH COP HATERS.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   12:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: ALL (#0)

TYPICAL INCIDENT

Parent Arrested from Common Core Meeting in Baltimore County MD. Removed forcefully by fascist School Board bouncer/thug/security before articulating his germane question and point. (I guess his 120 seconds were up)

Law Enforcement is aiding and abetting tyranny.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   12:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: GrandIsland (#61)

Let me ask you again:

ARE you gonna stand by as a father as the school teaches communism, and transvestism 101, as LEOs and school board bouncers restrict and oppress your right as a moral, taxpaying parent?

OR....will you merely accept and swallow your kid's psychological abuse and forcibly reading smut until the next school board election?

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   12:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Pinguinite, GrandIsland (#62)

That's the exact same attitude that's given us the Nazi brown shirt zero tolerance environment that your type would have imposed on everyone world over.

This is a father that was acting in the best interests of his daughter. Your suggesting that interest take a back seat to slightly passionate expression in regards to a very valid cause is much like the problematic attitude among police that is giving them a bad name...

Bravo!

Well articulated and directly ON point.

These cops and bouncers are hired goons. The Bill of Rights takes a deeeep back seat to their tainted checks and pensions.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   12:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Gatlin (#63)

Major Frank Burns weighs in with the usual "respect ma authoritah" schtick.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   12:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: TooConservative, Gatlin (#64)

We could shoot people as dumb as you and that would solve it but anarcho-libertarians are firmly committed to the non-aggression principle. Which is probably why you fear them so much.

HA! (Gilligan would gladly comply if it meant a burial at Arlington)

Gatlin believes there should be a law....that restricts "all law-abiding Amerikans" to "four squares per day" (and I'm NOT talking about meals.) Enforced by cameras, Charmin registration, and uniformed cops patrolling the hallways of every bathroom "o'er the land."

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   13:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: no gnu taxes (#65) (Edited)

Baer reacted only when he was personally attacked. He's just suppose to sit there and be trashed?

According to the rabid Police Statists, YES.

NO morals, ethics, common sense, or Bill of Rights supersedes the "authoritah" of "state officials" The local politburo vill NOT tolerate insolent questions from its bleating citizenry. Ergo, they must be trashed, ridiculed, and summarily tossed out of any meeting before the charade and agenda is exposed....at the barrel of a gun, threat of cuffs and broken bones.

"A Republic"?? HAH!

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   13:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator, Gatlin (#95)

Major Frank Burns weighs in with the usual "respect ma authoritah" schtick.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-02-27   13:12:41 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: GrandIsland, Pinguinite (#66)

What I'm suggesting is that his freedoms, liberties and daughter are NO MORE IMPORTANT than anyone else in the room. Without obeying the rules of the meeting, he forces his peers to lick his boots. He's a nazi thug.

You seem to have spun the entire embarrassing incident like a top and are now creating mythical heroes and martyrs out of the fascist oppressors and promoters of smut.

If there are any boots that are licked, we know who is doing the licking and demanding others follow suit. Well played, Sarge.

Also can't help but notice how easily the word "obey" also flows out of your maw....

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   13:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Deckard (#98)

Heh -- that's always been a keeper.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   13:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: misterwhite (#68)

Do YOU believe this subject matter is "age-appropriate"?"

Not my call. That's a decision made by each parent.

Not your call?? LOL -- have you won many Blue Ribbons at bleating marathons?

I guess you'd have the same answer were smutty book mandatory reading for your 8 year-old, eh? Nice moral compass there, DeSoto.

The school thought the book taught important lessons on bullying.

Really?? I guess rapes scenarios are the MOST important lesson, huh?

He had his two minutes. Which was the rule of the meeting.

What was the "rule" that was broken for the "Opt-out" of reading this trash? What is the penalty for school board members who conveniently ignored THAT responsibility and obligation? How many "minutes" did it take them to correct their "oversight"??

*snicker*

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   13:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Deckard (#98)

The movie version was so much better.
Feel free to use this Major Burns:

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   14:31:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Liberator (#99)

ou seem to have spun the entire embarrassing incident like a top and are now creating mythical heroes and martyrs out of the fascist oppressors and promoters of smut.

Negative. You are so agenda blind, that you forget that more than government can steal freedoms and liberties from your peers.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   14:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: misterwhite (#79)

Gol darnit, Mr. Gatlin, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

Like this is the first time he's heard that little compliment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   16:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Gatlin (#77)

your rational

It's "rationale" you jibbering tool.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-02-27   16:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Liberator (#97)

NO morals, ethics, common sense, or Bill of Rights supersedes

Doesn't supersede the schools right to kick you out of a building you don't own, when you're causing a disruption.

If a pro war citizen wouldn't stop asking questions or speaking and was causing a disturbance at a Ron Paul politcal speech or community meeting, hosted inside a public building... you'd feel different.

You're agenda blind.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   16:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Deckard (#105)

Gee, thanks...let me do that again.

Your observation is stupidly biased and your rationale is grossly flawed.

Yea, that's better.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   17:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: TooConservative, Y'ALL, misterwhite, gatlin (#104)

misterwhite ----- Gol darnit, Mr. Gatlin, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

TooConservative ---- Like this is the first time he's heard that little compliment.

Like this is the first time misterwhite has whispered it to gatlin,,,

tpaine  posted on  2015-03-02   18:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Liberator, grandisland, Y'ALL (#97)

NO morals, ethics, common sense, or Bill of Rights supersedes the "authoritah" of "state officials" The local politburo vill NOT tolerate insolent questions from its bleating citizenry. Ergo, they must be trashed, ridiculed, and summarily tossed out of any meeting before the charade and agenda is exposed....at the barrel of a gun, threat of cuffs and broken bones. ------ Liberator

Doesn't supersede the schools right to kick you out of a building you don't own, when you're causing a disruption. If a pro war citizen wouldn't stop asking questions or speaking and was causing a disturbance at a Ron Paul politcal speech or community meeting, hosted inside a public building... you'd feel different.

You're agenda blind. ------- GrandIsland

Petty bureaucrats have long used "disruption" as an excuse to silence our right to be heard and petition for a "redress of grievances".

It's true agenda blindness to argue against this basic right..

tpaine  posted on  2015-03-02   18:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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