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Title: Dad hits back after ... 'false arrest' at school meeting --- over daughter's X-rated reading assignment
Source: wnd.com
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/dad-hits ... ol-meeting/?cat_orig=education
Published: Feb 26, 2015
Author: Leo Hohmann
Post Date: 2015-02-26 12:28:38 by BorisY
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Comments: 109

Dad hits back after 'false arrest' at school meeting

Spoke out against daughter's X-rated reading assignment

Leo Hohmann

Leo Hohmann is a news editor for WND. He has been a reporter and editor at several suburban newspapers in the Atlanta and Charlotte, North Carolina, areas and also served as managing editor of Triangle Business Journal in Raleigh, North Carolina.

A New Hampshire man who was handcuffed and arrested for speaking his mind at a local school board meeting last year has filed a lawsuit against the police, alleging violations of his civil rights.

The criminal charges against William Baer of Gilford, New Hampshire, were tossed out of court by Belknap County Judge James Carroll in December, as WND previously reported.

Then-Acting Police Chief James Leach, who made the arrest, could have dropped the charges but elected not to, said Baer, who was arrested while addressing the board about a reading assignment given to his daughter’s ninth-grade class that included sexually explicit material.

“Lieutenant Leach, and Police Chief (Anthony) Bean Burpee, both took an oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” Baer told WND. “Lieutenant Leach violated my rights when he silenced and arrested me, and Chief Bean Burpee continued to violate my rights by prosecuting me for nearly seven months.

“These men abused their authority and their positions under color of law. The ‘law enforcers’ became lawbreakers and must be held to account.”

Citizens exercising their First Amendment rights have been roughed up by police not just in New Hampshire in recent years.

WND reported last year on the case of Eddie Overholt, a 76-year-old military veteran who was arrested at a Greene County, Tennessee, board of commissioners meeting because he stood up and requested that the board members speak louder so the audience could hear.

Just last week another man, Jeffrey Clay, was arrested at an Alton, New Hampshire, city council meeting for asking his elected leaders to resign due to “poor actions” and “poor decisions,” the Manchester Union Leader reported.

Press reports abound of other parents who attempted to address their local school boards about the controversial Common Core national education standards and ended up being ushered out, sometimes in handcuffs.

In one such case, in Baltimore County, Maryland, a parent was approached by a burly security guard, pushed, shoved, threatened and eventually handcuffed and forced to leave the meeting, reported Examiner.com, which also published a video of the incident.

Baer said his lawsuit is as much about stopping the national trend as it is seeking justice for himself.

He said it’s time for elected leaders to stop trampling the First Amendment rights of citizens. The video of his arrest went viral on YouTube, attracting more than 1 million views.

Baer spoke in opposition to a reading assignment given to his daughter, Marina. The book, “Nineteen Minutes,” by Jody Picoult, contained graphic descriptions of a violent sexual assault that, in Baer’s opinion, was not age-appropriate for a 14-year-old.

The school officials said the book had “important themes” to be studied about a school shooting.

Parents were not properly notified ahead of time about the assignment’s explicit content. Many concerned parents on both sides of the issue showed up at a tense May 5, 2014, school board meeting.

Several news reporters and at least one videographer were also present, according to the local newspaper, the Laconia Daily Sun.

Chairwoman Sue Allen opened public comment and limited each speaker to two minutes. The officer, Leach, was at the meeting, in uniform and initially standing off to one side, according to the Sun.

Watch video of William Baer’s arrest below:

Baer spoke for two minutes and was told by resident Joe Wernig that his time was up. Baer finished his thought and sat down. Wernig lives in Gilford and is a professional educator in a neighboring school district.

Two others spoke and were followed by Wernig, who accused Baer and other parents of trying to “dictate” what his kids could and could not read. Baer interjected, without being recognized, that Wernig’s statement was false and he was told by Allen to respect other speakers.

“Like you’re respectful of my daughter, right, and my children?” Baer told the chairwoman.

Baer said the school’s actions were “ridiculous” and that those present were getting a “civics lesson” on the First Amendment.

After a nod from Allen and Superintendent Kent Hemingway, Leach approached Baer and told him he was being asked to leave. He gave him no prior warning and Baer said, “I guess you’re gonna have to arrest me.”

Leach removed Baer by grabbing his wrist and leading him from the meeting room, all of which was captured on video. He was taken outside, handcuffed and arrested.

Leach did not respond to WND’s request for comment Wednesday. His boss, Gilford Police Chief Anthony Bean-Burpee, also did not return WND’s phone call.

Baer said he may include others on the lawsuit, but for now it’s just Leach being sued. At the time of the incident, Leach was the acting police chief, Baer said, and answered to no one.

“My inclination would have been to name everyone, and sort it out later. The attorneys representing me thought the action was primarily stemming from the false arrest,” he said. “If through discovery we find evidence that the school board/administration basically conspired to have me shut up at the meeting, we will add them as defendants.”

Baer has retained former Rep. Charles Douglas III as his attorney.

“Chuck Douglas was a U.S. congressman and served on the New Hampshire Supreme Court for 12 years,” Baer said. “This guy is a heavy hitter in New Hampshire. I picked him for very specific reasons so he could not just be looked at as some sort of ambulance chaser. When people see his name on the suit, they will know this thing is for real.”

Baer said he is also being advised by Charlottesville, Virginia-based The Rutherford Institute, which defends Americans against government abuse and overreach.

Marina Baer addressed the board after her father was arrested.

“I just watched my father get arrested because he broke the two-minute rule at a board of education meeting,” she said. “This just shows you resort to force at the first turn of conflict and I’m appalled.

“I don’t trust you. I haven’t. I honestly don’t feel safe around you people,” she said, before turning away to leave.

Baer said in December that his life and the lives of his family had been thrown into disarray by the arrest.

“After seven-and-a-half months of being pursued by the State of New Hampshire, through the Gilford Police Department and School Board, I am obviously pleased that all charges have been dismissed. Belknap County Judge James Carroll showed me there still is some justice in our system,” he said.

He had been charged with three counts of disorderly conduct.

“Make no mistake, these three criminal charges against me were not ‘dropped’ by Gilford Police Chief Bean Burpee and his prosecutor Sgt. Eric Bredbury; they were dismissed by a New Hampshire circuit court judge after a full hearing,” Baer said. “In spite of having months to review the law and the facts, the prosecutor refused to drop the charges or even propose a plea, but rather continued to seek a conviction to justify the state’s violation of my First Amendment right of free speech, and my unlawful arrest.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/dad-hits-back-after-false-arrest-at-school-meeting/#uQIde1MqrrL2Y2Lr.99


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#31. To: BorisY (#29)

Isn't that what we have in the govt - wh !

Who decides !

O'bunghole, IMHO, has been unlawful... but not necessarily tumultuous.

I have been waiting for our military to arrest and remove him... but they lack the balls.

So "who decides" will have to be the voting populace. Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#31)

destiny

' Little ' too fatalist for me !

I'm making waves ... piddle - paddle for now --- the terminal tsunami izz ccchhommmming !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   17:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: BorisY (#32)

' Little ' too fatalist for me !

More power to ya.

I hope you make that difference you feel can be made.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   18:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GrandIsland (#33)

To: illiac; All

I keep thinking that if it wasn’t for the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (( from appt to election )) ... that Congress would have impeached - removed lawless Obama * --- from office by now.

40 posted on ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2015‎ ‎11‎:‎17‎:‎54‎ ‎AM by Amendment10

* clington too !

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3261970/posts#40

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   18:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BorisY (#34)

I'm pretty sure we're stuck with that socialist pile of shit for another 2 years.

I'm more worried about KILLary. She truly is a gun and man hating socialist whore. O'bunghole is like a KILLary-lite

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   18:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland (#35)

I'm more worried about KILLary.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   18:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: BorisY (#36)

I'm more worried about KILLary.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Yup... we are fucked

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   19:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#28) (Edited)

My tag line makes a lot of sense.

It still doesn't.

To repeat: "Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves."

Your adjusted revisionism was altered to address the individual, which changes the entire context: "EVERYONE should reap what they sow..." This is totally different than the above tagline. Are you changing your mind?

Constitutional Civics, 101: The US Constitution is based on individual, rights, NOT the collective. The law does not indict and convict criminality according to groups or "society." Unless it is a government of tyrants and a dictatorship.

Do YOU deserve what Sharpton deserves? Does YOUR neighborhood deserve what Detroit deserves? Since when must I pay for your sin, or the sins of mutants, freaks, thugs, scofflaws, and anarchists?? That's patently communistic and collectivist.

Here's the second part of your tagline from Robert Kennedy: "What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. ~ Robert Kennedy"

This corollary is NOT "equally true." What is the difference between "community" and "society"??

A "community" is local, a sub-group. Is a "community your demographic? Is it defined as your immediate geographical neighborhood? Your religious brethren? The Neanderthals?

Again, you and Kennedy don't get it. It's intellectually sloppy, overlooking and ignoring INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS ~ the very foundation of the Bill of Rights. A "society" is a common sense of values, laws, and more often, a nation.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   0:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GrandIsland (#30) (Edited)

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

THIS above quote is all YOURS. You've italicized it, which is wrongly attributed it to ME.

Here's my previous simple response to that opinion of yours:

"That's a cop out resolution."

Negative. It's what a civil society does.

Affirmative. It's a local community's school board, which indeed HAD recourse if they found the elected school betraying the trust of the parents, and acted like Czars and arrogant mafia godfathers who give the middle finger to parents.

He is the tyrant that removes the freedoms and liberties of his peers with his Brownshirt actions. The other people in that room have just as much rights to speech as he does. He wanted them to lick his boots while he spoke FOR THEM, DURING THEIR TIME... whether they liked it or not.

You've reverse the truth of the matter, joined the politiburo bullies of the board, along with the their thug-bouncers in censoring, and short-circuiting legit concerns that required further debate. Thugs of feather can't stand to be exposed as fascists.

It's clear who boots demanded be licked and "authoritahs." And as usual, you back the wrong side. Remember this: Taxpayers are the boss of punk civil servants and punk LEOs -- NOT the other way round.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   0:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#38) (Edited)

Every society

Every society indicates to me... more than ONE society. Not the entire populace grouped into on as society. Had he met that, Kennedy would have said ... Society gets the kind of criminal it deserves.

Ferguson, as one example, deserved the animals they created. Those animals (society) deserved the police they had.

Mayberry deserved those nice people you saw on TV... and those nice people deserved Sheriff Andy Griffen or was it Taylor?)

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   0:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#39)

Affirmative. It's a local community's school board, which indeed HAD recourse if they found the elected school betraying the trust of the parents, and acted like Czars and arrogant mafia godfathers who give the middle finger to parents.

Negative. One big mouth feeling he was victimized does not equal betrayal. Even if I personally disagree with the book he's talking about.

He speaks his 2 minutes. If he gets no satisfaction than HE AND THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PARENTS PISSED OFF can make a difference by voting him in for change.... Then we come down to reality. It's just him pissed off.

Now he can remove his kid and homeschool.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   0:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: GrandIsland (#24)

They do have a right to keep order, and he wasn't arrested for his speech, he was arrested for creating a disorderly condition with his speech.

That's a stretch. No riot occurred and no one else seemed annoyed at all.

He's lucky they didn't trespass him.

Public meeting laws cover that. Being on a school board is not a job for citizens who can't afford to lose a minute of time. By definition, it entails endless wastes of time for all sorts of nonsense from the public, the staff, the students, etc.

Besides, this is liberty-minded New Hampshire, not jackbooted New York or New Jersey.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   0:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: GrandIsland (#41)

Now he can remove his kid and homeschool.

And wait for his big-gun attorney to bring home the bacon for him.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   0:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#39) (Edited)

You've reverse the truth of the matter, joined the politiburo bullies

I saw only one bully. It was him. He was the most important bully he knows. Bullying everyone else out of the freedoms and liberties (their rights to speak)

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   0:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TooConservative (#43)

And wait for his big-gun attorney to bring home the bacon for him.

I'm sure he'll sue... they always feel wronged. I doubt he will win a dime unless the school offers a smaller settlement than it will cost to defend his BS.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TooConservative (#42)

That's a stretch. No riot occurred and no one else seemed annoyed at all.

Not a stretch. It's proactive. He doesn't have an unfettered right to be there. He must follow the rules of the meeting. He wasn't. He needed to be removed so the meeting can go on. The rules are for everyone. He isn't the most important person there (even tho he thinks that).

The people in charge of that meeting do not have to wait until a riot starts to do something. He was given multiple chances.

TC, this is no different than the last 25 articles about a disgruntled tool bag getting evicted from a public forum... and you posters here cry foul every time.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GrandIsland (#40)

Every society indicates to me... more than ONE society. Not the entire populace grouped into on as society.

For example?

Ferguson, as one example, deserved the animals they created. Those animals (society) deserved the police they had.

Ferguson is arguably comprised of a subset of organized community that share the same laws, traditions, and tribal values. It's not really a "society."

Those animals (society) deserved the police they had.

That is to say, those individual Neanderthal who subscribed to ignoring the local, state, and federal laws and standard of decency required a vigorous and aggressive no-holds-barred enforcement of the law.

That said, the subject parent at the school board meeting did NOT deserve his abuse of an over-officious board of fascists and its glorified bouncers with badges. They'd both made a mockery of the system.

Mayberry deserved those nice people you saw on TV... and those nice people deserved Sheriff Andy Griffen or was it Taylor?)

Griffin played the role of Sheriff Taylor. Otis deserved to get his azz kicked by Barney.

That said, maybe you'd better reassess your tagline.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GrandIsland (#44)

I saw only one bully. It was him.

Totally wrong again.

The board of education advanced a subversive agenda, and was caught doing so.

Righteous anger is never wrong.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: GrandIsland (#46)

TC, this is no different than the last 25 articles about a disgruntled tool bag getting evicted from a public forum... and you posters here cry foul every time.

Wait until his attorney gets this in front of a NH jury. That's why the school board is running like cheap whores getting chased out of their brothel by the vice squad.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   1:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GrandIsland (#41) (Edited)

He speaks his 2 minutes.

An entire 120 seconds?? HA!

Not nearly enough to debate the case, and expose the bull*** and Kangaroo Court proceedings. And any sane person know it.

Now he can remove his kid and homeschool.

Fine. Where's he going to be refunded the taxes he was coerced into paying that are unconstitutionally confiscated by this gubmint monopoly? OR, will a "vote" change THAT??

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: GrandIsland (#41)

HE AND THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PARENTS PISSED OFF can make a difference by voting him in for change....

OR, were it 200 years ago, storming the bastion and tarring and feathering the little fascists and their Badges-for-Hire.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Liberator (#47)

That said, maybe you'd better reassess your tagline.

Negative. I like it.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Liberator (#50)

Fine. Where's he going to be refunded the taxes he was coerced into paying that are unconstitutionally confiscated by this gubmint monopoly? OR, will a "vote" change THAT??

I agree with you here... school taxes are socislism anyway... but he won't be the first to pay them and still homeschool.

Sucks to be him. Maybe he should go off the grid

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Liberator (#51)

were it 200 years ago,

If my aunt had testicles... she'd be my very strange uncle.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GrandIsland (#52)

Lol, of course you do. You'd have dug in at Little Big Horn. It'll remain trite nonsense.

Bobby Kennedy was a sound-byte machine, as was JFK.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: TooConservative (#49)

Wait until his attorney gets this in front of a NH jury. That's why the school board is running like cheap whores getting chased out of their brothel by the vice squad.

Maybe. Keep me posted.

If he wins a lawsuit I'll apologize for being wrong

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: GrandIsland (#54)

If my aunt had testicles... she'd be my very strange uncle.

Don't go poking around -- you might not like what you see (or feel.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Liberator (#55)

Bobby Kennedy was a sound-byte machine, as was JFK.

A good Kennedy is a dead one. Especially teddy... the swimmer.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#57)

Don't go poking around -- you might not like what you see (or feel.)

Your family must be closer than mine. I don't get close enough to my aunt to touch.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: GrandIsland (#53)

You're still missing the point; You can't be surrendering to fascist boards of education with NO legal, moral, or ethical grounds for subverting and indoctrinating the pods.

You gonna stand by still, Daddy as they teach communism, transvestism 101, and LEOs as "abusive oppressors"? Wait till your ox is gored...(oh wait -- you'll accept it until the next school board election, right?)

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   1:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#60)

You're still missing the point; You can't be surrendering to fascist boards of education with NO legal, moral, or ethical grounds for subverting and indoctrinating the pods.

He has a right to pull his child from the school and teach his moral and ethical ideals.

And I hope his kids keep talking in his class if they disagree with something he teaches... so he knows how it feels

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   1:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: GrandIsland (#21)

He violated the liberties and freedoms of every one of his peers in that room.

Oh, spare us the drama! That's the exact same attitude that's given us the Nazi brown shirt zero tolerance environment that your type would have imposed on everyone world over.

This is a father that was acting in the best interests of his daughter. Your suggesting that interest take a back seat to slightly passionate expression in regards to a very valid cause is much like the problematic attitude among police that is giving them a bad name, and in the case of 2 NY cops not long ago, getting them killed.

In any event, charges against the guy were dropped and now it's the arresting police officer that is the defendant, so the legal system has apparently found the arrest to be false, contrary to your assessment.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-02-27   2:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Pinguinite, GrandIsland (#62) (Edited)

Oh, spare us the drama! That's the exact same attitude that's given us the Nazi brown shirt zero tolerance environment that your type would have imposed on everyone world over.
Ah, once again Godwin's Law is drawn upon and comes into to play. You say “spare us the drama” and immediately go into full fallacy of irrelevance mode using Reductio ad Hitlerum when comparing GI’s views to those of a Nazi Brown Shirt. That’s great….LMAO!

The guy would not shut up and let the meeting continue in an orderly manner. He was asked to stop the disruptions. When he would not, he was asked to leave. He did not. The only way to finally quiet him down and let the meeting continue in an orderly manner was to place him under arrest in order to remove him. Of course the charges would be dropped unless be became violent.

What would you have proposed doing in this situation to prevent the obnoxious barking dog of libertarian anarchy chaos becoming even more gargantuan?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   5:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Gatlin (#63)

What would you have proposed doing in this situation to prevent the obnoxious barking dog of libertarian anarchy chaos becoming even more gargantuan?

We could shoot people as dumb as you and that would solve it but anarcho-libertarians are firmly committed to the non-aggression principle. Which is probably why you fear them so much.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   5:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: misterwhite (#6)

Two others spoke and were followed by Wernig, who accused Baer and other parents of trying to “dictate” what his kids could and could not read. Baer interjected, without being recognized, that Wernig’s statement was false and he was told by Allen to respect other speakers.

“Like you’re respectful of my daughter, right, and my children?” Baer told the chairwoman.

If this is true, Baer reacted only when he was personally attacked. He's just suppose to sit there and be trashed?

I'd have done the same thing as Baer.

It was wise of the judge to throw out this bogus charge.

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no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-02-27   5:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Pinguinite (#62)

You're still missing the point; You can't be surrendering to fascist boards of education with NO legal, moral, or ethical grounds for subverting and indoctrinating the pods.

No, what I'm suggesting is that his freedoms, liberties and daughter are NO MORE IMPORTANT than anyone else in the room. Without obeying the rules of the meeting, he forces his peers to lick his boots. He's a nazi thug.

No drama... fact.

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GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   8:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: TooConservative (#64) (Edited)

We could shoot people as dumb as you and that would...

Sound like something you would propose doing.

Is that the libertarian way, shoot people if they don't agree?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   9:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Liberator (#10)

"Do YOU believe this subject matter is "age-appropriate"?"

Not my call. That's a decision made by each parent.

"Does it really teach “important themes”?"

The school thought the book taught important lessons on bullying.

"And since when should the 1A opinion of parents ..."

He had his two minutes. Which was the rule of the meeting. But he wanted to dominate the meeting and not allow others THEIR 1A opinions to be heard.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: GrandIsland (#21)

"He violated the liberties and freedoms of every one of his peers in that room."

And that's the lesson his daughter should have learned. YOU are not the only one with rights.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Liberator (#23)

"ANY objection to a perverse agenda and mandatory inappropriateness of minors is "Out of order".

I challenge you to support that statement.

He was allowed his two minutes, as was everyone else, to object to that "perverse agenda". He did. But then he wanted to dominate the debate at the expense of others who deserved their chance to express themselves.

You're "Out of Order" for suggesting that HE should be allowed to violate the rules of the meeting to express an opinion you happen to agree with.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#25)

"The LEO treated him with ZILCH respect"

Just as he had ZILCH respect for other parents in the room who also wanted to be heard.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-27   9:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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