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Title: Dad hits back after ... 'false arrest' at school meeting --- over daughter's X-rated reading assignment
Source: wnd.com
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/dad-hits ... ol-meeting/?cat_orig=education
Published: Feb 26, 2015
Author: Leo Hohmann
Post Date: 2015-02-26 12:28:38 by BorisY
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Dad hits back after 'false arrest' at school meeting

Spoke out against daughter's X-rated reading assignment

Leo Hohmann

Leo Hohmann is a news editor for WND. He has been a reporter and editor at several suburban newspapers in the Atlanta and Charlotte, North Carolina, areas and also served as managing editor of Triangle Business Journal in Raleigh, North Carolina.

A New Hampshire man who was handcuffed and arrested for speaking his mind at a local school board meeting last year has filed a lawsuit against the police, alleging violations of his civil rights.

The criminal charges against William Baer of Gilford, New Hampshire, were tossed out of court by Belknap County Judge James Carroll in December, as WND previously reported.

Then-Acting Police Chief James Leach, who made the arrest, could have dropped the charges but elected not to, said Baer, who was arrested while addressing the board about a reading assignment given to his daughter’s ninth-grade class that included sexually explicit material.

“Lieutenant Leach, and Police Chief (Anthony) Bean Burpee, both took an oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” Baer told WND. “Lieutenant Leach violated my rights when he silenced and arrested me, and Chief Bean Burpee continued to violate my rights by prosecuting me for nearly seven months.

“These men abused their authority and their positions under color of law. The ‘law enforcers’ became lawbreakers and must be held to account.”

Citizens exercising their First Amendment rights have been roughed up by police not just in New Hampshire in recent years.

WND reported last year on the case of Eddie Overholt, a 76-year-old military veteran who was arrested at a Greene County, Tennessee, board of commissioners meeting because he stood up and requested that the board members speak louder so the audience could hear.

Just last week another man, Jeffrey Clay, was arrested at an Alton, New Hampshire, city council meeting for asking his elected leaders to resign due to “poor actions” and “poor decisions,” the Manchester Union Leader reported.

Press reports abound of other parents who attempted to address their local school boards about the controversial Common Core national education standards and ended up being ushered out, sometimes in handcuffs.

In one such case, in Baltimore County, Maryland, a parent was approached by a burly security guard, pushed, shoved, threatened and eventually handcuffed and forced to leave the meeting, reported Examiner.com, which also published a video of the incident.

Baer said his lawsuit is as much about stopping the national trend as it is seeking justice for himself.

He said it’s time for elected leaders to stop trampling the First Amendment rights of citizens. The video of his arrest went viral on YouTube, attracting more than 1 million views.

Baer spoke in opposition to a reading assignment given to his daughter, Marina. The book, “Nineteen Minutes,” by Jody Picoult, contained graphic descriptions of a violent sexual assault that, in Baer’s opinion, was not age-appropriate for a 14-year-old.

The school officials said the book had “important themes” to be studied about a school shooting.

Parents were not properly notified ahead of time about the assignment’s explicit content. Many concerned parents on both sides of the issue showed up at a tense May 5, 2014, school board meeting.

Several news reporters and at least one videographer were also present, according to the local newspaper, the Laconia Daily Sun.

Chairwoman Sue Allen opened public comment and limited each speaker to two minutes. The officer, Leach, was at the meeting, in uniform and initially standing off to one side, according to the Sun.

Watch video of William Baer’s arrest below:

Baer spoke for two minutes and was told by resident Joe Wernig that his time was up. Baer finished his thought and sat down. Wernig lives in Gilford and is a professional educator in a neighboring school district.

Two others spoke and were followed by Wernig, who accused Baer and other parents of trying to “dictate” what his kids could and could not read. Baer interjected, without being recognized, that Wernig’s statement was false and he was told by Allen to respect other speakers.

“Like you’re respectful of my daughter, right, and my children?” Baer told the chairwoman.

Baer said the school’s actions were “ridiculous” and that those present were getting a “civics lesson” on the First Amendment.

After a nod from Allen and Superintendent Kent Hemingway, Leach approached Baer and told him he was being asked to leave. He gave him no prior warning and Baer said, “I guess you’re gonna have to arrest me.”

Leach removed Baer by grabbing his wrist and leading him from the meeting room, all of which was captured on video. He was taken outside, handcuffed and arrested.

Leach did not respond to WND’s request for comment Wednesday. His boss, Gilford Police Chief Anthony Bean-Burpee, also did not return WND’s phone call.

Baer said he may include others on the lawsuit, but for now it’s just Leach being sued. At the time of the incident, Leach was the acting police chief, Baer said, and answered to no one.

“My inclination would have been to name everyone, and sort it out later. The attorneys representing me thought the action was primarily stemming from the false arrest,” he said. “If through discovery we find evidence that the school board/administration basically conspired to have me shut up at the meeting, we will add them as defendants.”

Baer has retained former Rep. Charles Douglas III as his attorney.

“Chuck Douglas was a U.S. congressman and served on the New Hampshire Supreme Court for 12 years,” Baer said. “This guy is a heavy hitter in New Hampshire. I picked him for very specific reasons so he could not just be looked at as some sort of ambulance chaser. When people see his name on the suit, they will know this thing is for real.”

Baer said he is also being advised by Charlottesville, Virginia-based The Rutherford Institute, which defends Americans against government abuse and overreach.

Marina Baer addressed the board after her father was arrested.

“I just watched my father get arrested because he broke the two-minute rule at a board of education meeting,” she said. “This just shows you resort to force at the first turn of conflict and I’m appalled.

“I don’t trust you. I haven’t. I honestly don’t feel safe around you people,” she said, before turning away to leave.

Baer said in December that his life and the lives of his family had been thrown into disarray by the arrest.

“After seven-and-a-half months of being pursued by the State of New Hampshire, through the Gilford Police Department and School Board, I am obviously pleased that all charges have been dismissed. Belknap County Judge James Carroll showed me there still is some justice in our system,” he said.

He had been charged with three counts of disorderly conduct.

“Make no mistake, these three criminal charges against me were not ‘dropped’ by Gilford Police Chief Bean Burpee and his prosecutor Sgt. Eric Bredbury; they were dismissed by a New Hampshire circuit court judge after a full hearing,” Baer said. “In spite of having months to review the law and the facts, the prosecutor refused to drop the charges or even propose a plea, but rather continued to seek a conviction to justify the state’s violation of my First Amendment right of free speech, and my unlawful arrest.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/dad-hits-back-after-false-arrest-at-school-meeting/#uQIde1MqrrL2Y2Lr.99


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#1. To: willie watermellon green (#0)

common rotten core

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The left is beating us for several reasons. First, they are aggressive as well as committed to their foolish ideas. They use constant propaganda and they know how to put lipstick on a pig. Right-wingers are slow to realize that the the Constitution is being constantly ignored or watered-down. They have also been slow to recognize that the police and the courts as well as the government agencies that manage the country have been corrupted. And right-wingers are slow to realize that the the balance of power between the 3 branches of government no longer exists.

The Regressives didn't fundamentally change America, they sabotaged it.

And now they are ... just destroying the Judeo- Christian culture --- that has kept us united.

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   12:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tea Party Reveler (#0)

I have the feeling this article might be your cup of tea.

I must be psychic or something.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   12:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GrandIsland (#0)

At the time of the incident, Leach was the acting police chief, Baer said, and answered to no one.

That is probably the whole story in a nutshell. Lack of training and experience and arrogant to boot.

A lesson for any municipality or county here.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   12:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BorisY (#0)

Watch video of William Baer’s arrest below:

Hey, dillrod, why don't you include the proper video?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   12:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative, yukon (#4) (Edited)

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The canary posse attack rides again !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   13:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BorisY (#0)

"I just watched my father get arrested because he broke the two-minute rule at a board of education meeting,” she said."

Yeah, he broke the two-minute rule, but he was given a pass. Later he spoke out of order and was asked to be quiet. He refused. Then he was asked to leave. He refused. Then he told the officer to arrest him. Which the officer did.

Now your father -- a lawyer -- is upset because the officer did what your father asked? Well, I hope you learned a lesson from this.

The book has been on the school reading list since 2007. Normally, the school sends out a notification to the parents which allows them to opt out of certain books. This year they screwed up and didn't. They admitted their mistake and, furthermore, will now switch to an "opt-in" policy.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   13:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6) (Edited)

the officer did what your father asked?

Still ... the police officer - dept --- should know better !

For the next two years the ... obomba crazies are going to go hyper crazy --- to perpetuate their change !

There's a ... head - on - massacre --- coming !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   14:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#6)

Normally, the school sends out a notification to the parents which allows them to opt out of certain books. This year they screwed up and didn't. They admitted their mistake and, furthermore, will now switch to an "opt-in" policy.

A virtual signed confession in the hands of a top attorney and state-wide legal eagle type. The dad certainly picked the right shylock to represent him. It must be costing him a fortune to put that guy on retainer.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   14:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BorisY (#0)

Everyone: You need to avoid driving through the City of Rio Ranchio, NM at all cost, they have Red Light Cameras and white SUV’s parked on the side of the road that take pictures and issue tickets, and because these tickets, they start at one hundred dollars, are not criminal, like those issued by the real police, but are civil, you do not have the right to demand to see the calibration dates, who calibrated them or ask for any other evidence that they don’t want to give you.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-02-26   14:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#6) (Edited)

The book has been on the school reading list since 2007. Normally, the school sends out a notification to the parents which allows them to opt out of certain books.

This year they screwed up and didn't. They admitted their mistake and, furthermore, will now switch to an "opt-in" policy.

Can't see the forest for the tree, eh? You are apparently missing several the overriding issues:

Baer spoke in opposition to a reading assignment given to his daughter, Marina. The book, “Nineteen Minutes,” by Jody Picoult, contained graphic descriptions of a violent sexual assault that, in Baer’s opinion, was not age-appropriate for a 14-year-old.

Q: Since Baer's daughter was assaulted against her will by perverse subject matter and agenda, what kind of psychological damage has been incurred? Moreover, the school officials said the book had “important themes” to be studied about a school shooting.

Do YOU believe this subject matter is "age-appropriate"? Does it really teach “important themes”? Or is it just a gratuitous learner-course in S&M 101? And since when should the 1A opinion of parents in a Kangaroo Court proceedings be superseded by the Brownshirt bouncers, who overreact when quelling "dissidents"?

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#6)

Yeah, he broke the two-minute rule, but he was given a pass.

Mighty WHITE of you and the Kangaroo Court.

Later he spoke out of order and was asked to be quiet. He refused.

I guess the opinion and truth of the matter is considered "out of order"??

The lesson: The State is Fascist; does NOT represent We The People; Certain Boards of Educations are run by subversives with a dark agenda, ignoring ALL standards of decency and REAL education in lieu of a social engineering and brainwashing. And there YOU are -- as well as the Neanderthals with badges backing this crap up.

Hey...anything for a paycheck. Whores.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BorisY (#7)

Still ... the police officer - dept --- should know better !

Their ONLY bottom line is in cashing in their paycheck, "just following orders," and getting off on bullying those who are defenseless. The sentries at these board meetings are feckless, unprincipled cowards.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#3)

I doubt this was a 1st amendment issue. It appears this disgruntled subject already used up his allotted time to speak. The public meeting must have rules and limitations or this subject will then remove the liberties and freedoms of the other parents that are there to speak. Even though he's most likely the most important person he knows, he isn't more important than any other person in there complying with the rules so everyone gets to speak.

He probably was given multiple chances to be fair to his peers... and he decided to act like a nazi jackbooted thug towards them and decided he was going to use their time to speak whether everyone in the room liked it or not.

Now, if he was never allowed to speak and was silenced because they knew they weren't going to like what he said... then YES, poor policing, heavy handed and quick to use LE. Somehow I doubt it... and somehow I think you know he acted a fool too.

He was probably removed for trespass... he doesn't have a constitutional right to enter and remain in that building if he was asked to leave.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GrandIsland (#13)

Now, if he was never allowed to speak and was silenced because they knew they weren't going to like what he said... then YES, poor policing, heavy handed and quick to use LE. Somehow I doubt it... and somehow I think you know he acted a fool too.

In other jurisdictions, they just get escorted out, possibly threatened with charges.

The board has a right to order. But arresting citizens for speech is most often a mistake even if it seems expedient.

The policy change means the board knows it has already lost to this guy.

Hopefully, we'll get a followup on the case after they get to court. That is, if they don't settle in advance. The fact they've flipped from an opt-out to an opt-in policy (which they had had since 2008) indicates just how much legal jeopardy the board and their attorney think they're in right now. Not to mention the inevitable public repercussions for each of them personally in their community.

The board is already running scared. And the state's top attorney is working for the dad. I'll wait to hear how it comes out.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-26   16:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#11)

"I guess the opinion and truth of the matter is considered "out of order"??"

You guess wrong.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   16:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GrandIsland (#13)

I doubt this was a 1st amendment issue.

It appears this disgruntled subject already used up his allotted time to speak. The public meeting must have rules and limitations or this subject...

This school board did NOT want this serf to speak his piece on a subversive subject that obviously takes longer than than the "normal" time allotment. Ergo, the Brownshirt treatment.

I doubt very much that Abdul or LaChantix would have been cuffed and treated like a Nazi prisoner under the same circumstances had they spoken over the affixed time limit.

This is...a Kangaroo Court. The Brownshirts and their unjustified over-aggressiveness are there to serve as discourage further objection.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#13) (Edited)

He was probably removed for trespass... he doesn't have a constitutional right to enter and remain in that building if he was asked to leave.

Let's not invoke the constitution, when the entire school board and agenda, and circus proceedings are fascist bulls***. That school is paid for with this guy's TAXES -- which are confiscated, regardless of school board agenda and subject matter consent.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   16:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#8)

It must be costing him a fortune

Baer said he is also being advised by Charlottesville, Virginia-based The Rutherford Institute, which defends Americans against government abuse and overreach.

Doesn't the lawyer get 1/2 the awards - settlement !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   16:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#14)

"The fact they've flipped from an opt-out to an opt-in policy (which they had had since 2008) indicates just how much legal jeopardy the board and their attorney think they're in right now."

Which demonstrates just how f**ked up our legal system is.

If the school board admits they screwed up and vows to make changes ... WHOA! Sue them! They admit they were wrong! Go get 'em! They confessed!

If, on the other hand, the school board denies any intentional wrongdoing and maintains the status quo, well, never mind.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   17:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#14)

"But arresting citizens for speech ..."

He was arrested for disorderly conduct only after all other options were exhausted.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-26   17:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#16)

This is...a Kangaroo Court. The Brownshirts and their unjustified over-aggressiveness are there to serve as discourage

That's the problem. That meeting isn't a court.... there are no state criminal procedural laws that govern school board fairness. Had this been a court he wouldn't have been allowed to act like he did... and he is a shinning example why we have so many rules in society. For the people that are the most important people they know.

He violated the liberties and freedoms of every one of his peers in that room.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Liberator (#17)

To: GrandIsland He was probably removed for trespass... he doesn't have a constitutional right to enter and remain in that building if he was asked to leave. Let's not invoke the constitution, when the entire school board and agenda, and circus proceedings are fascist bulls***. That school is paid for with this guy's TAXES -- which are confiscated, regardless of school board agenda and subject matter consent.

I agree with your school board agenda opinion. But it still doesn't give this person an unlimited timed, no rules speech... or the unfettered right to remain in that public building after the building personnel that's responsible for that building asks him to leave.

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#15)

Is the Almighty State EVER "out of order" in your opinion??

Uh, yes. ANY objection to a perverse agenda and mandatory inappropriateness of minors is "Out of order," only because the school board acts like a dictatorship, and it's LEO, like Brownshirts.

This school board is waaay out of order, as are those who endorse this entire charade -- between the censorship (not enough time to voice objection), as well as the Brownshirt treatment of a concerned parent and taxpayer.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#14)

He board has a right to order. But arresting citizens for speech is most often a mistake even if it seems expedient.

They do have a right to keep order, and he wasn't arrested for his speech, he was arrested for creating a disorderly condition with his speech.

He's lucky they didn't trespass him.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GrandIsland (#22) (Edited)

It still doesn't give this person an unlimited timed, no rules speech... or the unfettered right to remain in that public building after the building personnel that's responsible for that building asks him to leave.

I don't believe the concerned, justifiably irate parent was asking for "unlimited time" -- just enough to give opinions, and have legit questions address and answered. Instead he was treated like a piece of crap and criminal. The LEO treated him with ZILCH respect -- unlike the manner in which they would have treated a black, an Arab, a homo.

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

That's a cop out resolution.

Just because certain members of school board have been elected doesn't mean they have carte blanche to hijack and warp the education process, then treat the parents like children when they object. The subject matter is highly inappropriate, yet the school board in their arrogance dismiss and snicker at serf-parents whose minimal time to voice objection is met with derision and Brownshirt-type ejection. 14 year-olds who are being are being fed Sex & Violence 101 is NOT "educational." It's indoctrination.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GrandIsland (#22)

"Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on."

Your tagline makes no sense.

Is your "society" Detroit? Camden? Hollywood? Or Langley?

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#19)

If, on the other hand, the school board denies any intentional wrongdoing and maintains the status quo, well, never mind.

Must your wool be clipped on a daily basis?

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-26   17:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Liberator (#26)

Your tagline makes no sense.

My tag line makes a lot of sense.

EVERYONE should reap what they sow... including an unlawful and tumultuous civilian populace.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GrandIsland (#28) (Edited)

unlawful and tumultuous civilian populace

Isn't that what we have in the govt - wh !

1/3 rd impeachment proof - protection in the senate !

Who decides !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   17:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#25)

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

That's a cop out resolution.

Negative. It's what a civil society does.

He is the tyrant that removes the freedoms and liberties of his peers with his Brownshirt actions. The other people in that room have just as much rights to speech as he does. He wanted them to lick his boots while he spoke FOR THEM, DURING THEIR TIME... whether they liked it or not.

The right to speak is for EVERYONE, not just the nazi thug who is the most important person he knows.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: BorisY (#29)

Isn't that what we have in the govt - wh !

Who decides !

O'bunghole, IMHO, has been unlawful... but not necessarily tumultuous.

I have been waiting for our military to arrest and remove him... but they lack the balls.

So "who decides" will have to be the voting populace. Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   17:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#31)

destiny

' Little ' too fatalist for me !

I'm making waves ... piddle - paddle for now --- the terminal tsunami izz ccchhommmming !

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   17:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: BorisY (#32)

' Little ' too fatalist for me !

More power to ya.

I hope you make that difference you feel can be made.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   18:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GrandIsland (#33)

To: illiac; All

I keep thinking that if it wasn’t for the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (( from appt to election )) ... that Congress would have impeached - removed lawless Obama * --- from office by now.

40 posted on ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2015‎ ‎11‎:‎17‎:‎54‎ ‎AM by Amendment10

* clington too !

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3261970/posts#40

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   18:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BorisY (#34)

I'm pretty sure we're stuck with that socialist pile of shit for another 2 years.

I'm more worried about KILLary. She truly is a gun and man hating socialist whore. O'bunghole is like a KILLary-lite

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   18:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland (#35)

I'm more worried about KILLary.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

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BorisY  posted on  2015-02-26   18:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: BorisY (#36)

I'm more worried about KILLary.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Your destiny is in the hands of sheep. You're fucked.

Yup... we are fucked

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-26   19:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#28) (Edited)

My tag line makes a lot of sense.

It still doesn't.

To repeat: "Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves."

Your adjusted revisionism was altered to address the individual, which changes the entire context: "EVERYONE should reap what they sow..." This is totally different than the above tagline. Are you changing your mind?

Constitutional Civics, 101: The US Constitution is based on individual, rights, NOT the collective. The law does not indict and convict criminality according to groups or "society." Unless it is a government of tyrants and a dictatorship.

Do YOU deserve what Sharpton deserves? Does YOUR neighborhood deserve what Detroit deserves? Since when must I pay for your sin, or the sins of mutants, freaks, thugs, scofflaws, and anarchists?? That's patently communistic and collectivist.

Here's the second part of your tagline from Robert Kennedy: "What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. ~ Robert Kennedy"

This corollary is NOT "equally true." What is the difference between "community" and "society"??

A "community" is local, a sub-group. Is a "community your demographic? Is it defined as your immediate geographical neighborhood? Your religious brethren? The Neanderthals?

Again, you and Kennedy don't get it. It's intellectually sloppy, overlooking and ignoring INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS ~ the very foundation of the Bill of Rights. A "society" is a common sense of values, laws, and more often, a nation.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   0:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GrandIsland (#30) (Edited)

If he feels the school is so so so wrong... he should run for a position on the school board and make changes. Something tells me he probably has a minority view and that's just one more reason he shouldn't speak longer than anyone else there.

THIS above quote is all YOURS. You've italicized it, which is wrongly attributed it to ME.

Here's my previous simple response to that opinion of yours:

"That's a cop out resolution."

Negative. It's what a civil society does.

Affirmative. It's a local community's school board, which indeed HAD recourse if they found the elected school betraying the trust of the parents, and acted like Czars and arrogant mafia godfathers who give the middle finger to parents.

He is the tyrant that removes the freedoms and liberties of his peers with his Brownshirt actions. The other people in that room have just as much rights to speech as he does. He wanted them to lick his boots while he spoke FOR THEM, DURING THEIR TIME... whether they liked it or not.

You've reverse the truth of the matter, joined the politiburo bullies of the board, along with the their thug-bouncers in censoring, and short-circuiting legit concerns that required further debate. Thugs of feather can't stand to be exposed as fascists.

It's clear who boots demanded be licked and "authoritahs." And as usual, you back the wrong side. Remember this: Taxpayers are the boss of punk civil servants and punk LEOs -- NOT the other way round.

Liberator  posted on  2015-02-27   0:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#38) (Edited)

Every society

Every society indicates to me... more than ONE society. Not the entire populace grouped into on as society. Had he met that, Kennedy would have said ... Society gets the kind of criminal it deserves.

Ferguson, as one example, deserved the animals they created. Those animals (society) deserved the police they had.

Mayberry deserved those nice people you saw on TV... and those nice people deserved Sheriff Andy Griffen or was it Taylor?)

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-27   0:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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