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Title: For the first time in a 100 years a Russian army fights under the banner of Jesus Christ
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URL Source: http://news.sky.com/story/1434081/p ... gas-cut-off-smacks-of-genocide
Published: Feb 25, 2015
Author: sky.com
Post Date: 2015-02-25 16:25:31 by Pericles
Keywords: Russia, Ukraine
Views: 9141
Comments: 37
Russian "sepratists" armored column flying a war banner with the face of Jesus Christ. This is something I have never imagined would happen in my lifetime. There is deep significance here.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1434081/putin-ukraine-gas-cut-off-smacks-of-genocide I can't get the HTML code to show the picture captioned: A convoy of pro-Russian forces' 2S1 Gvozdika (122-mm self-propelled howitzers) drives from the frontline near the eastern Ukrainian city of Starobeshevo
Could not work the img code either. Good to see they are using the bore covers for their howitzers. That means they have a few old NCOs who take note of the detail. The pic of the young people on their mobile devices was quite defining for the generation:) Twin young ladies to boot, wearing boots!:)
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
A few notes to pass on to your friends on the gunline. 1. They need to swab the interior of the breech block after every round fired. They are not and it is a safety hazard for the crew. Too many flames coming out of the bore evacuator after each round. Which means no swabbing the tube. 2. The 2S1 can fire with or without putting spades down. In the cold it is hard to put the spades down (I know from Korea). But they should use some metal chock blocks to reduce the amount of displacement they are getting after each round. 3. I don't see any collimators nor any aiming poles or stakes. Seriously doubt they have internal GPS fire control systems. Really wonder how accurate they are considering the above is absent.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
The title should be, Evil Prevails as Russian Army Kills Brothers In The Name of Jesus Christ.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Are you sure that wasn't a picture of Che Guevara?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Cool! That obviously means the people they kill will be less dead,and the people they cripple for life will be able to throw away their crutches and dance again!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
And there ya have it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The pic is there but it's buried in the gallery code. Which is why you can't just right-click it as usual to copy the image URL. They actually seem to store these photos in six sizes for everything from cellphones to ultra-fine displays. At the risk of messing up this thread's pagination, here's the 1600x1200 version where you can see the face much better. From the same photo gallery, Novorossiya can't seem to decide what flag it wants to fly as seen here. First that thing that looks like a cheap ripoff of Confederate battle banners, then the three-vertical-bars flag of Russia. (Ukraine has a two-bar flag, blue and gold.) The flag of Lugansk People's Republic looks like this: The flag of the Donetsk People's Republic looks like this: Russian Federation's flag looks like: So either the rebels like the Russian flag or they forgot to change flags when they brought the tanks west.
Thanks a lot, Major Killjoy. You must have been a lot of fun on maintenance inspections. : )
Your article was titled "Putin: Ukraine Gas Cut-Off 'Smacks Of Genocide'". So it's genocide when Kiev cuts off Novorossiya's gas but it is not genocide when Vlad cuts off gas to all of Ukraine (which he has done several times due to their gas banditry)? Not Vlad's best argument.
Not Vlad's best argument. Depends on the audience :)
The Confederate looking flag is the flag of Novorossiya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Novorossiya I have also seen them fly the black and orange St George ribbon flag.
Those pipelines go right through Novorossiya. Why doesn't Vlad encourage some engineers to "vacation" in Novorossiya and use those pipelines to assure local supply? But then, you just can't trust a Uke not to steal from your pipeline. Some of this reporting is suspect. For instance, if pipelines have been damaged by mortars or artillery, then Kiev wouldn't be getting its gas so it couldn't cut off gas supply deliberately to the rebels (which is where the pipelines are). A lot of bitching and squabbling from Moscow and Kiev, as usual. It all sounds crazy to anyone not from those countries.
Sounds like a detail a Russian army peasant would stop doing. I see Russians going into battle without helmets either.
Yup. Also, I don't speak Russkie so I have no idea how distorted the quote was by the Sky news. I am guessing a lot distorted. But my main focus is not the quote - it was the historical significance of Russians re-embracing their pre communist culture.
Look at those cheap-ass power line poles. Square and non-creosoted. And they used two full poles to brace that other one, apparently a corner in the line of poles; Americans would use a single round creosote pole with a buried anchor cable. A good example of why this region (and the Soviet regime) were so backward. You shouldn't build things that are so wasteful and need so much repair. Thinking like that leads to a lot of bad results.
They are not killing in the name of Christ. They are fighting under the banner of Jesus Christ. That is not the same thing as fighting in the name of Jesus. The flag of the UK is 3 different crosses, for example. When soldiers of the UK flew the flag in WW2 they are not killing German Nazis in the name of Jesus either.
LOL ! I just noticed that. They probably had no idea how to do this - it looks like an installation I did in my summer vacation home's bathroom - Europeans don't have fixed shower heads but rather those hand held sprayers which is stupid. I installed a fixed shower head and it works but to get the pipe into the position I wanted was wasteful in how many corners I soldered, etc because I had no idea what I was doing.
Battle banner. The actual Confederate flag(s) looked a lot like the regular American flag and was issued in several versions because the Confederate legislature was kinda confused and worried about other things. Like defeat. If citizens of the Confederacy ever saw these flags, it was most likely one of the 7-star versions from 1861. Some bunch of Wisconsin Yankees captured this one at Columbia, SC and brought it home as war booty.
I posted a much larger version. Nope, not Che.
The EU flag looks like The First Confederate Navy Jack, 1861–1863
I posted a much larger version. Nope, not Che. There was an article I read today somewhere where one of the men in this group, it seems, had a Che tattoo on his chest or some such. He could be referring to that.
I know. : ) Flags and banners are filled with all sorts of unintentional ironies. Apparently, they don't hire top men in the field to design these things. What was that thing where two countries showed up at the 1936 Olympics and were embarrassed to discover that they both had adopted the same flag? Apparently, it was Haiti and Liechtenstein.
Vlad's best argument is that NATO is not moving into his back yard.
Yup. This is akin to using the Lord's name in vain.
Are you sure it wasn't the Zigzag Man? Most of these dirty hippie reporters can't tell the difference. I sometimes think the hipsters with the Che tattoo thought they were getting a Zigzag tattoo. And, ironically, Zigzag does have a Crimean origin.
And that Vlad will continue to ruin Ukraine's economy and make EU energy unstable as long as NATO tries to advance and keeps sponsoring these phony Soros-funded "colour revolutions".
The Russian Orthodox State-establishment's Oprichniki/KGB minions can fly whatever flag they want - it won't change the historical FACTS about who/whar they are. "There is no god but the Czar!" Same Old state-worshiping Ba'al shyte, different municipal toilet.
You must have been a lot of fun on maintenance inspections. : ) A General once flew his helicopter over my gun battery location during a live fire exercise. He then landed which shut down our firing status. I was a 1LT Firing Battery XO, unhappy and charged towards the aircraft (not knowing my boss' boss' boss was landing) to 'greet' the offender. After a few choice words were exchanged between me and the flight chief, he pointed to the general in the aircraft. I was still not happy. I knew I could not chew out a general so I let his aid de camp (a 1LT too) have it. After mustering some calm, I saluted the general told him he stopped my live fire exercise and flying over a firing point is a no-no and the flight crew by his rules should be decertified. Not happy the general then decided to pick apart my NCOs and Soldiers. He looked at maintenance reports, asked why some of our camo nets were torn etc. And of course two young soldiers just came out of the tree line after going to the field latrine without their helmets on. Of course the Fire Direction officer a 1LT as well, made the call for our boss to come there given this was not a fair fight:) Needless to say, that is really what a Killjoy does, especially one of high rank who knows he broke his own rules and would not admit it. Of course when my Battery Commander heard this general was on my point no one could reach him by radio. However, my LTC boss and BN commander came to the rescue. He pulled the general aside for a brief quiet and reasoned discussion (such was not in my 'being' at that age) and the general left immediately. LTC comes up to me and says "LT get back to what you were doing---Steel on target!" And then departed. The general's helicopter took off taking the proper route away from the azimuth of fire. My story of a Kill Joy:) If it were not for LTC (now retired COL) "X" doing what he did that day, I would have probably exited the Army very early.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
A fun story. No doubt, not exactly an isolated incident. Hierarchies always get filled with those who make rules but don't expect those rules to be applied to them.
Especially General officers living in 'daddy's shadow.' The GO in question was the middle son of a famous US Army General. His brothers Generals also. Dad was so famous they named stuff after him:) No there's a teaser for you to figure out.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
Sounds like the Stain whose daddy and granddaddy had bases named after them. Real military royalty types. I can find the Brooks family but that is just a dad and two sons. No third brother. Most people don't realize how much the military feathers its nest for its elite's offspring.
Hint 3 sons who were general officers. Three daughters who married Army officers. Go figure:)
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
They sound repulsive already.
guessing Abrams ?
Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.(Daniel Webster)
Give the man a cigar.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
#2. To: All (#1)
#3. To: Pericles (#1)
#4. To: Pericles, GarySpFc, TooConservative, Tomder55 (#2)
#5. To: Pericles, ALL (#0)
#6. To: Pericles, All (#0)
.....banner of Jesus Christ
#7. To: Pericles (#0)
#8. To: GarySpFC (#5)
The title should be, Evil Prevails as Russian Army Kills Brothers In The Name of Jesus Christ.
#9. To: Pericles, redleghunter (#1)
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#10. To: redleghunter (#4)
A few notes to pass on to your friends on the gunline.
#11. To: Pericles (#0)
#12. To: TooConservative (#11)
So it's genocide when Kiev cuts off Novorossiya's gas but it is not genocide when Vlad cuts off gas to all of Ukraine (which he has done several times due to their gas banditry)?
#13. To: TooConservative (#9)
So either the rebels like the Russian flag or they forgot to change flags when they brought the tanks west.
#14. To: Pericles (#12)
#15. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, TooConservative, Tomder55 (#4)
1. They need to swab the interior of the breech block after every round fired. They are not and it is a safety hazard for the crew. Too many flames coming out of the bore evacuator after each round. Which means no swabbing the tube.
#16. To: TooConservative (#14)
A lot of bitching and squabbling from Moscow and Kiev, as usual. It all sounds crazy to anyone not from those countries.
#17. To: Pericles (#13)
#18. To: GarySpFC (#5)
The title should be, Evil Prevails as Russian Army Kills Brothers In The Name of Jesus Christ.
#19. To: TooConservative (#17)
Look at those cheap-ass power line poles. Square and non-creosoted. And they used two full poles to brace that other one, apparently a corner in the line of poles; Americans would use a single round creosote pole with a buried anchor cable. A good example of why this region (and the Soviet regime) were so backward. You shouldn't build things that are so wasteful and need so much repair. Thinking like that leads to a lot of bad results.
#20. To: Pericles, Vicomte13 (#13)
The Confederate looking flag is the flag of Novorossiya
First flag of the Confederate States of America Name "Stars and Bars" Adopted March 4, 1861 (First 7-star version)
November 28, 1861 (Final 13-star version)Designed by Nicola Marschall 
Second flag of the Confederate States of America Name "Stainless Banner" Proportion 1:2 Adopted May 1, 1863 
Third flag of the Confederate States of America Name "Blood-Stained Banner" Proportion 2:3 Adopted March 4, 1865 Designed by Arthur L. Rogers 
#21. To: SOSO (#6)
Are you sure that wasn't a picture of Che Guevara?
#22. To: TooConservative (#20)
#23. To: TooConservative, SOSO (#21)
Are you sure that wasn't a picture of Che Guevara?
#24. To: Pericles, Vicomte13 (#22)
The EU flag looks like The First Confederate Navy Jack, 1861–1863
#25. To: TooConservative, Pericles (#11)
Not Vlad's best argument.
#26. To: GarySpFC (#5)
The title should be, Evil Prevails as Russian Army Kills Brothers In The Name of Jesus Christ.
#27. To: Pericles (#23)
There was an article I read today somewhere where one of the men in this group, it seems, had a Che tattoo on his chest or some such. He could be referring to that.
In the 19th Century, during the battle of Sevastopol, a French soldier (also known as a “Zouave”) had his clay pipe broken by a bullet. He had the brilliant idea of rolling his tobacco in a piece of paper torn from a bag of gunpowder.
In 1894, the Braunstein Brothers perfected the process of interleaving papers in a zig-zag manner and introduced a cigarette paper booklet under the name Zig-Zag®. In 1900, Zig-Zag gained international recognition when they were awarded a gold medal at the Universal Exposition in Paris.
For over 100 years the image of Le Zouave has been part of all Zig-Zag cigarette papers as a tribute to that creative soldier. Today, Le Zouave and Zig-Zag are known throughout the world as a premium cigarette paper.
#28. To: nolu chan (#25)
Vlad's best argument is that NATO is not moving into his back yard.
#29. To: Pericles (#1)
#30. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator (#10)
Thanks a lot, Major Killjoy.
#31. To: redleghunter (#30)
However, my LTC boss and BN commander came to the rescue. He pulled the general aside for a brief quiet and reasoned discussion (such was not in my 'being' at that age) and the general left immediately. LTC comes up to me and says "LT get back to what you were doing---Steel on target!" And then departed. The general's helicopter took off taking the proper route away from the azimuth of fire.
#32. To: TooConservative (#31)
Hierarchies always get filled with those who make rules but don't expect those rules to be applied to them.
#33. To: redleghunter (#32)
Dad was so famous they named stuff after him:)
#34. To: TooConservative (#33)
#35. To: redleghunter (#34)
#36. To: redleghunter (#34)
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#37. To: tomder55 (#36)
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