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Title: Left Panics over Peer-Reviewed Climate Paper’s Threat to Global Warming Alarmism
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa ... at-to-global-warming-alarmism/
Published: Feb 24, 2015
Author: William Bigelow
Post Date: 2015-02-24 09:46:15 by cranky
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Views: 12760
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Climate forecasts are lousy, therefore it is settled science that they must necessarily be based on lousy theories. And lousy theories should not be trusted. Put it this way. Climate forecasts, of the type relied upon by the IPCC and over governmental entities, stink. They are no good. They have been promising ever increasing temperatures for decades, but the observations have been more or less steady. This must mean–it is inescapable–that something is very badly wrong with the theory behind the models. What? There are many guesses. One is that something called “climate sensitivity,” a measure of the overall reaction of the atmosphere to carbon dioxide, is set too high in the models. So Lord Christopher Monckton, Willie Soon, David Legates, and I created a model to investigate this. Although our model is crude and captures only the barest characteristics of the atmosphere, it matches reality better than its luxuriously funded, more complex cousins. The funding is important. Nobody asked or paid us to create our model. We asked nobody for anything, and nobody offered us anything. We did the work on our own time and submitted a peer-reviewed paper to the Science Bulletin of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. It’s title is “Why models run hot: results from an irreducibly simple climate model.” The paper was quickly noticed, receiving at this writing well over 10,000 downloads. Anybody who understood the settled science that bad theories make bad forecasts knew that this paper was a key challenge to the climatological community to show that our guess of why climate models stink is wrong, or to prove there were other, better explanations for the decades-long failure to produce skillful forecasts. After the paper made international news, strange things began to happen. My site was hacked. A pest named David Appell issued a FOIA request to Legates’s employer, the University of Delaware, to release all of Legates’s emails. But since we received no funding for our paper, which of course implies no state funding from Delaware, the university turned Appell down. The cult-like Greenpeace had better luck with Soon’s employer, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, who were very obliging. They turned over all of Soon’s emails. And then Greenpeace sent them to a set of sympathetic mainstream reporters. Why did Greenpeace do this? Because they suspected we were lying about receiving funding. They were hoping that if they could prove Soon was paid then Soon should have declared to Science Bulletin a conflict of interest, and because he didn’t (none of us did), then he should retract the paper. Greenpeace went away disappointed. We were telling the truth. Soon, like most research scientists, has in the past accepted money from sources other than our beneficent government (and what makes government money pure?). Greenpeace, for instance, often issues these kinds of grants. But there was no money for this paper, as we said. But Greenpeace still needed to sidetrack discussion—anything to distract from the news that climate models are broken–hence their cozying up to “science reporters.” These reporters, all of whom are paid by corporate interests, emailed asking about the “alleged conflict.” I explained to them that we received no funding and thus had no conflict of interest. But they never heard me. It was as if they didn’t want to. I offered to discuss the science behind our paper, but none took me up on this. I posted a running log of these emails at my site, and they make for fascinating reading of how narrow-minded and willfully ignorant the mainstream press can be. Justin Gillis of the New York Times was particularly reprehensible. In an email sent before publishing a hit piece on Sunday, Gillis accused Soon of an “ethical breach.” He issued veiled threats by saying that Soon ought to talk to him, because Soon’s employer “may be preparing to take adverse personnel action against” him. I told Gillis there was no conflict. And I asked Gillis to explain his ties with Greenpeace and other environmental organizations. Surprisingly, he refused to answer. Well, he did block me on Twitter. Greenpeace denies the settled science that bad forecasts mean incorrect theories. Don’t let them change the subject. This is not about some false accusation of conflict of interest. This is about bad science passing for good because it’s politically expedient.
You’ve heard it said that the science is settled. And it’s true. It is settled–settled beyond the possibility of any dispute. A fundamental, inescapable, indubitable bedrock scientific principle is that lousy theories make lousy predictions.
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#6. To: Vicomte13, Deckard, tpaine (#4)
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Easy, you will bring the LF DRUG LORDS down upon you to spam you with their pro drug propaganda. You might even be outcast as a constitutional traitor.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Easy, you will bring the LF DRUG LORDS down upon you to spam you with their pro drug propaganda. You might even be outcast as a constitutional traitor. -- grandilusion Funny man. - But not a comic.. Marijuana is not harmless. Nothing smokeable is, as I learned by having throat cancer at 53, from 40 years of tobacco cigarettes. And marijuana prohibition is not harmless. No unconstitutional prohibition ever is, as if made evident by the wars on booze, guns, and drugs. Now poor GrandIsland is not very good at debate, and his support and defense of these unconstitutional 'wars' is in direct opposition to his oath as a police officer to support and defend the constitution. --- IMHO.
Here, I'll give everybody an automatic hate button, so they don't even have to think: I'm French. And American. And I think that the French do a lot of things better. Not everything, but many of the most important things: like law, and law enforcement, and medicine, and education, and social welfare. And since De Gaulle, I think the French have been a lot smarter about their use of military force than the Americans too. The French resisted us in Iraq, refused to climb on board, actually tried to STOP US by not permitting full-on UN support, forcing us to rely on a "Coalition of the Foolish" (sorry, "Willing"). They said that Iraq was quicksand. They said we were plunging in on a fool's errand and that it would be a trainwreck. They refused to cooperate or participate. We had a hissy fit and stopped serving French fries in the Congressional cafeteria. They became "Freedom Fries". "French" became a watchword for perfidious treachery because they told us we were stupid for going into Iraq and warned us we would lose. We were stupid for going into Iraq, and we lost. The French were right, and the United States was wrong. We should have listened to them. There. That ought to do it. Blind, white-hot hatred to follow. (Oh, and I'm Catholic.)(To get the outliers.) I've never used drugs and never will, but I think they should be legalized. Why? Because the French are right: personal privacy is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than internal "order" and law enforcement. It's not more important than REAL national security (which is why the terrorists get caught so quick), but drugs have nothing to do with REAL national security, and neither does illegal porn. Personal privacy is more important than stopping drugs or child pornography, because drugs and child porn CAN'T be stopped, so all we end up doing is destroying personal privacy of EVERYBODY, in order to NOT STOP the criminal activities of some. I am not willing to sacrifice ANY of my personal privacy so that the laws of the country can be enforced. The laws are NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH to override my privacy. I am not in fact doing anything wrong, and it is more important to me to be left alone than it is to me that the people selling and using drugs, or porn, or selling sex, be caught. It's a trade off, and I am willing to trade the lives of others in order to remain free myself...because the law isn't REALLY going to stop the others from dying and being ruined, but American-style law enforcement CERTAINLY will interfere with my privacy. My privacy trumps the Rule of Law. That's a French mindset, and the French are right about THAT too. Oh, and they have a lower crime rate. And only about 10% of the incarceration rate of Americans. Am I a libertarian? By no means! I believe in universal public education, through college, paid by the state. I believe in universal health insurance (socialized INSURANCE, not socialized DOCTORS), paid by the state. I believe in universal public pensions, paid by the state. And that means a pretty heavy state, and pretty heavy taxation. I do not believe that private individuals or private enterprise can handle the functions of universal education, universal health insurance, universal old age pensions, law enforcement, prison operation or national security as well as government has proven itself able to do. Therefore, I am a statist. I am a statist who believes that a man's home is his castle, and that whatever he is doing in there, other than murdering people outright, is nobody's business and the state has no business there. Nor does the employer. The employer pays for EIGHT hours of obedience, NOT 24. If an employer wants 24 hours of obedience, then the employer must pay 24 hours per day of salary, at time and a half and double time. Since they don't, employers have no business monitoring employees off time Facebook sites or Internet conversations. Personal liberty - free speech WITHOUT UNDUE CONSEQUENCES - is a human right, a fundamental right of privacy. The French have that right too. And the Americans very desperately need French-style sanity, because this country is so utterly fucked up in every way that we CAN'T right the ship with our homegrown ideas. The Right believes that if you just let billionaires decide everything, it'll all be for the best. No, it will establish an hereditary NOBILITY, and they'll crush everybody else until there's a bloody revolution. The French know this from bitter experience. Americans really don't have to reinvent the wheel on this. They could, you know, read the history of the French Revolution and realize that unequivocal support for the super rich leads to Versailles, and then the Flood, and then blood. The Left believes that the State should provide everything, and that to do that "efficiently", the state should be the MORALS POLICE for the society. Yes, that was the Reign of Terror. Robespierre and those jackasses. He was the first lawyer to ever lead France, and the last one too, until Sarkozy. Letting lawyers rule your country is dumb. They worship themselves and their rule of law. But the right of personal privacy MUST TRUMP the rule of law. Otherwise you end up with Prussia...or babies burnt in their cribs by flash grenades. If there isn't a murder going on, the police have no business ever forcibly entering anybody's house! But a CRIME is being committed! The American screams. So what? Losing the right of privacy is worse than letting people commit crimes (other than murdering people or maiming them or forcibly raping them). And people eventually have to come out to eat. THEN you nab them. That collection of ideas should be sufficient to make everybody hate me. It's also the best way forward. That was fun. Now comes the shouting part...which I probably won't even read.
Embrace the next dark age. Blame science for the shortcomings of man.
I agree, freedoms and liberties are far more important than the downside of marijuana. People need to be given enough rope to hang themselves with.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
What's to debate? It's not good for you Freedoms and liberties outweigh the bad. I feel everyone should be free to suck up as much of the bad as they like. I just don't wanna pay for any of the bad that comes with it. Don't tax me to fund it, don't raise my insurance premium to cover it, don't ask me to administer medical help, feed you, pay for addiction services... nothing. If you overdose... just die, please... and thank you. Discussion complete
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Not me.. You're not a libertaian, true, but at least you're honest about your socialistic ideas, and those, imho, do not make you a 'statist'. In the USA, our various levels of govt have NOT 'proven itself able to do', or solve, the problems you list. You're simply misinformed, or want to be, by your political outlook. Thanks for your candor..
If that's the way you want to leave it, hanging on your own petard, fine with me. ;-)
Excellent! Right on, Bros. Let's stop vaccinated anyone for everything that science says we should. Yeah......that's he ticket. Let's just bleed them.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Well what's wrong with leaving it that way? You feel weed should be legal. SO DO I. I feel I shouldn't have to pay the downside of any addiction or substance use. You disagree?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Now poor GrandIsland is not very good at debate, and his support and defense of these unconstitutional 'wars' is in direct opposition to his oath as a police officer to support and defend the constitution. --- IMHO. Fine with me.. If you're happy with my comments, I'm happy..
So you do agree with the socialist idea that people should pay for drug addictions, medical treatments and so on from addictions. This I can not agree with, and yes, we need to continue this debate. Thank you for clarifying that. You get a big chubby over welfare too?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Did you notice you didn't put anything I said from the previous post in the quote box? You quoted yourself and used my quotes from a previous post to dodge my questions. That's like Deckard sneaky spin. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Btw, just pick an average home in LA that is for sale around 250,000. Look at the TOTAL property taxes. Then look at a 250,000 home near Phoenix Arizona. Look at the TOTAL taxes. You'll find the taxes are HALF as much as kookifornia. That means you pay extra just for your tyrannical fuckin. You must enjoy your restrictive gun laws. You WILLINGLY PAY dearly for them.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Now poor GrandIsland is not very good at debate, and his support and defense of these unconstitutional 'wars' is in direct opposition to his oath as a police officer to support and defend the constitution. --- IMHO. If that's the way you want to leave it, hanging on your own petard, fine with me. ;-) If you're happy with my comments, I'm happy.. Again, -- your own words hoist you on your own petard of inanites. When your own 'chubby' subsides, we can continue this discussion. Get some sleep.
You'll find the taxes are HALF as much as kookifornia. Prove it. -- Post some specifics.
keep dodging the question. Is it that hard to answer... or are you ashamed?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
That is an inane question, and a digression from our previous discussion initiated by you) at your post about constitutional 'traitors'. As it happens, and as you well know, I do NOT agree with the socialist idea that people should pay for drug addictions, medical treatments and so on from addictions. -- Thus I ignored your pitiful 'chubby' type comments, as a favor to you. Now, aren't you ashamed you made them?
To: GrandIsland Btw, just pick an average home in LA that is for sale around 250,000. Look at the TOTAL property taxes. Then look at a 250,000 home near Phoenix Arizona. Look at the TOTAL taxes. You'll find the taxes are HALF as much as kookifornia and 3 times more than Alabama. And Alabama has better gun laws that your nazi preference of state. Prove it. -- Post some specifics. 17495 W Woodrow Ln, Surprise, AZ 85388 4 beds 2.5 baths 1,902 sqft FOR SALE $174,900 YEAR PROPERTY TAXES 2014 $1,025 ------------------------------------------------------------ 5605 Summer Wood Ct, Bakersfield, CA 93313 3 beds 2 baths 1,152 sqft FOR SALE $174,800 YEAR PROPERTY TAXES 2014 $2,279 Don't ever ask me to research your ignorance again. You didn't think I've studied tax rates before retirement? If we both lived in each of these houses... you'd pay double what I pay for California to bend you over. Trust me when I say, NY and Kookifornia are easily, on average TWICE as expensive for property and school taxes than Arizona.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Prove it. -- Post some specifics. 17495 W Woodrow Ln, Surprise, AZ 85388 4 beds 2.5 baths 1,902 sqft FOR SALE $174,900 Correct. That's the taxes BEFORE the sale, --- after selling, the property is 're-assessed'. - -What would they be AFTER the sale? ---- I'd bet you don't know.. ------------------------------------------------------------ 5605 Summer Wood Ct, Bakersfield, CA 93313 3 beds 2 baths 1,152 sqft FOR SALE $174,800 And after the house sells , the property assessor is limited to tax at approximately 1% of value, by a CA law, commonly known as prop 13. --- Thus the tax would be approx. $1750, if it sold for asking. Sorry, but you've made a fool of yourself once again..
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Made a fool of you... for proving you wrong. How the F*** did you not think that kookifornia wouldn't be so high?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You posted: --- Correct. That's the (Arizona) taxes BEFORE the sale, --- after selling, the property is 're-assessed'. --- What would they be the year AFTER the sale? ---- I'd bet you don't know..
Look, Einstein, I posted the SAME figures from the same realtor listings for each house... HERE IS FACT, The kookifornia house PAID TWICE AS MUCH PROPERTY TAXES as the Arizona house did in 2014 for a house listed at the same price. Take your spin elsewhere. Your inability to say you are wrong is pathetic. Fact, generally, a kookifornian will pay twice as much taxes as an Arizona resident. That extra tax money is a gift to kookifornia for their statist laws. Admit it, you aren't serious about your constitution. You willingly pay more taxes to get constitutionally fucked. You enjoy statism. You MUST, you pay extra for it. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I bet you your buddy Deckard pays kookifornia too for his Tyranny. Is Deckard a statist state lover too?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Science is the creation of man, and has all of man's limitations embedded into it.
Correct. That's the (Arizona) taxes BEFORE the sale, --- after selling, the property is 're-assessed'. --- What would they be the year AFTER the sale? ---- I'd bet you don't know.. The 2014 taxes mean little, because the property's are 're-assessed' for value after the sale, and the new taxes are based on that sale value. It's not spin, it's the facts about how property is assessed and taxed in California. -- I built houses and my wife sold them, and many others, for years. We were both licensed , and knew our business. Your inability to refute my comments is noted. Fact, -- you have yet to establish that; -- "generally, a kookifornian will pay twice as much taxes as an Arizona resident". --- Let us know when you find out what the taxes would be on that Arizona house, after it sells.
Listen, the 2014 taxes mean EVERYTHING... because they prove the only point I was trying to make. The homeowners of the kookifornia house paid 2279.00 in 2014... PERIOD The Arizona homeowners paid 1025.00 in 2014.... PERIOD. Your statist hero's charged TWICE as much for your tyranny than the constitutional carry Arizona state. To wit; you love Tyranny. You must, you pay extra for it. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
And I've noticed none of your constitutional scholar posting buddies will risk sounding wrong and come to your defense. This was cut and dry. You pay twice as much for your statist love. lol I left everyone related to me to not fund statism. EVERYTHING! I lived in a shithole apartment since 2008, so I wouldn't fund the statist machine until I retired. I lived in such a shithole, that I lived over a bar, in s one bedroom outdated shithole, with paneling on the walls, the ceiling leaked when it rained... and my shower water pressure was nonexistent. The rent was 300.00 a month and that included heat. I made sure that my rent was less than just property taxes were had I bought a house. I suffered so I could leave that state the second I retired... and I did. Someday you will be as serious towards your rights as I am.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Just having one on your list turn out false makes them false prophets.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
And that's precisely it. Scientists are not prophets. They are men, struggling for knowledge like all men should. But they are nothing more than that. And that's where our society has gone off the rails. It has accorded respect to scientists as though they were prophets, which they are not. And because many men who enter science are seeking the higher truths, initially, but there encounter other men who hate the idea of God, they train themselves to accept the excessive respect accorded to them, and to speak as though they were arbiters of the truth. But we know little, and they are simply men. When, based upon newfangled ideas, men find an excuse to "scientifically" dissect the cords that bind civilization together in order to indulge in very old temptations, the result is what we have, and what we have is a society that has become reproductively sterile and has lost its mind, but believes itself smart.
There is nothing wrong with science. It is science falsely so called that is the problem. Evolution, global bullshit, queers being born that way. Real Science, gravity, speed of sound, etc.
Science is merely the anglicization of the Latin word "scientia", which simply means "knowledge". Some knowledge is good. Some knowledge is bad. The belief that a particular kind of knowledge, about the natural world, is superior to all other kinds of knowledge, and that the techniques applied to extract knowledge from the natural world are universally suitable to all major aspects of human life - or that the knowledge extracted from the natural world using these techniques isTrue in a transcendent sense, is all bad. Science, as practiced and understood by us today, gives men a false sense of supremacy and control that they don't really have. When they exercise policy based on falsehood, they do evils on a mechanized, scientific scale vastly exceeding anything that happened in the "superstitious past". A return to the past is not possible, but it is very important to always highlight the ridiculous errors of modern science, and their frequent reversals, in order to tear down the excessive regard that people have for the institution itself and the scientists within it. Science has its place, and it's place is the same as the proper place of financiers and artists and cooks: it provides useful and interesting services, but it absolutely must not be allowed to override common sense and experience. Common sense derived from experience is true, and it works. Science goes into the ditch again and again and kills lots of people through blind arrogance. Science must be demoted to the level of SERVICE PERSONNEL, just as financiers need to be. Giving scientists and financiers too high standing at the table of decision has always resulted in terrible decisions and massive human suffering. Given the particular respect that people have for money and for high degrees, it is particularly important to bring financiers down to size by constant surveillance and exposure of their frequent crimes, and it is especially important to constantly remind people of the constant parade of ridiculous errors in science, in order to keep the respect for science down to the appropriate levels. I listen to people literally scream that those who don't accept the scientific consensus on global warming because so many scientists say it is so. They speak as though we are supposed to defer common sense to science and scientists. This is PRECISELY why science and scientists need to constantly be kicked to the curb, and the scientific community's constant parade of deadly errors, stupidity and arrogance need to be brought up time and again, just like the sins of Hollywood stars. Because if we make science safely respected, it will get on top of us, and then we will have scientifically run gas chambers and sanitariums with lobotomies and scientific racial theories and thalidomide babies…AGAIN. Scientists are usually wrong about the big things, and they've been wrong enough that when they pronounce on the big things people should start to see them as astrologers, not as oracles of truth. It's important that we lose our excessive respect for science. It has killed enough of us.
Fact, -- you have yet to establish that; -- "generally, a kookifornian will pay twice as much taxes as an Arizona resident". --- Let us know when you find out what the taxes would be on that Arizona house, after it sells. The 2014 taxes mean little, because the property's are 're-assessed' for value after the sale, and the new taxes are based on that sale value. The 2014 taxes of $2279 were based on the LAST selling price, approx $227k, as per prop 13. -- The Bakersfield house was declining in value, and if it sold for asking, the NEW tax would be approx $1750... I repeat, Can you tell us what the NEW re-assessed taxes would be if it sold for asking? I'd bet they would be considerably more than $1025.. -- As it was probably increasing in value.
And living in a shithole apt somehow proves that? Thanks for posting that shithole essay on your recent lifestyle. It's no wonder you're the bitter, rather nasty poster you are. -- Maybe a pity party is in order?
An astute summary.
"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out." (1 Timothy 6:6-7)
Inner city welfare muts feel the same way as you. They feel repressed in Ferguson... but hate to leave the welfare lifestyle. They must be patriots like you. lol Someday you'll make sacrifices instead of feeling you're the most important person you know. Freedom and liberty isn't free. If you can't help yourself, don't expect me to help you. Keep funding the kookifornia tyrannical machine. It's like pissing your pants and complaining you smell.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
That I made sacrifices to avoid funding a nazi machine in NY. Something you refuse to do.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Thanks for posting that shithole essay on your recent lifestyle. It's no wonder you're the bitter, rather nasty poster you are. And living in a shithole apt somehow proves that? -- Maybe a pity party is in order?
You seem to get gratification if you could get my blessing for you to break any Kookifornia law you feel is injust. That's the "help" you seek. Don't deny it. Admitting is your first step towards recovery. You need to put your big boy pants on and decide yourself, what laws you will obey. One suggestion tho, stop funding the machine that chains you. That's the only blessing I can give you.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Dream on.
It promises us that marijuana is harmless.
#7. To: GrandIsland, Y'ALL (#6)
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Vicomte13,--- It promises us that marijuana is harmless.
#8. To: GrandIsland (#6)
Easy, you will bring the LF DRUG LORDS down upon you to spam you with their pro drug propaganda. You might even be outcast as a constitutional traitor.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
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#10. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
#11. To: tpaine (#7)
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Now poor GrandIsland is not very good at debate, and his support and defense of these unconstitutional 'wars' is in direct opposition to his oath as a police officer to support and defend the constitution. --- IMHO.
#12. To: Vicomte13, Y'ALL (#8)
That collection of ideas should be sufficient to make everybody hate me.
Am I a libertarian? By no means! I believe in universal public education, through college, paid by the state. I believe in universal health insurance (socialized INSURANCE, not socialized DOCTORS), paid by the state. I believe in universal public pensions, paid by the state. And that means a pretty heavy state, and pretty heavy taxation. I do not believe that private individuals or private enterprise can handle the functions of universal education, universal health insurance, universal old age pensions, law enforcement, prison operation or national security as well as government has proven itself able to do. Therefore, I am a statist.
#13. To: GrandIsland (#11)
Discussion complete.
#14. To: GarySpFC (#5)
Endless crap piled upon crap, grand theories rising and falling in a lifetime. Science is highly unreliably and must never be the basis for any major decision.
#15. To: tpaine (#13)
#16. To: GrandIsland (#15)
What's to debate? --- Discussion complete.
Well what's wrong with leaving it that way?
#17. To: tpaine (#16)
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#18. To: tpaine (#16)
#19. To: tpaine (#16)
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#20. To: GrandIsland (#18)
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What's to debate? --- It's not good for you -- Freedoms and liberties outweigh the bad. -- I feel everyone should be free to suck up as much of the bad as they like. I just don't wanna pay for any of the bad that comes with it. Don't tax me to fund it, don't raise my insurance premium to cover it, don't ask me to administer medical help, feed you, pay for addiction services... nothing. If you overdose... just die, please... and thank you. -- Discussion complete.
Well what's wrong with leaving it that way? --- You feel weed should be legal. SO DO I. --- I feel I shouldn't have to pay the downside of any addiction or substance use. You disagree?
--- Well what's wrong with leaving it that way?
So you do agree with the socialist idea that people should pay for drug addictions, medical treatments and so on from addictions. This I can not agree with, and yes, we need to continue this debate. Thank you for clarifying that. You get a big chubby over welfare? --- Did you notice you didn't put anything I said from the previous post in the quote box? --- You quoted yourself and used my quotes from a previous post to dodge my questions. That's like Deckard sneaky spin. lol
#21. To: GrandIsland (#19)
Btw, just pick an average home in LA that is for sale around 250,000. Look at the TOTAL property taxes. Then look at a 250,000 home near Phoenix Arizona. Look at the TOTAL taxes.
#22. To: tpaine (#20)
So you do agree with the socialist idea that people should pay for drug addictions, medical treatments and so on from addictions. This I can not agree with, and yes, we need to continue this debate. Thank you for clarifying that. You get a big chubby over welfare?
#23. To: GrandIsland (#22)
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So you do agree with the socialist idea that people should pay for drug addictions, medical treatments and so on from addictions.
#24. To: tpaine (#21)
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#25. To: GrandIsland (#24)
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YEAR PROPERTY TAXES 2014 $1,025
YEAR PROPERTY TAXES 2014 $2,279
Don't ever ask me to research your ignorance again. You didn't think I've studied tax rates before retirement? If we both lived in each of these houses... you'd pay double what I pay for California to bend you over. Trust me when I say, NY and Kookifornia are easily, on average TWICE as expensive for property and school taxes than Arizona.
#26. To: tpaine (#25)
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#27. To: tpaine (#25)
Sorry, but you've made a fool of yourself once again..
#28. To: GrandIsland (#27)
YEAR PROPERTY TAXES 2014 $1,025.
#29. To: tpaine (#28)
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#30. To: tpaine, Deckard (#28)
#31. To: Biff Tannen (#9)
#32. To: GrandIsland (#29)
YEAR PROPERTY TAXES 2014 $1,025.
Look, Einstein, I posted the SAME figures from the same realtor listings for each house... HERE IS FACT, The kookifornia house PAID TWICE AS MUCH as the Arizona house did in 2014 for a house listed at the same price, IN PROPERTY TAXES.
Take your spin elsewhere.
Your inability to say you are wrong is pathetic.
Fact, generally, a kookifornian will pay twice as much taxes as an Arizona resident. That extra tax money is a gift to kookifornia for their statist laws. Admit it, you aren't serious about your constitution. You willingly pay more to get fucked.
#33. To: tpaine (#32)
The 2014 taxes mean little, because the property's are 're-assessed' for value after the sale, and the new taxes are based on that sale value.
#34. To: tpaine (#32)
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#35. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
#36. To: redleghunter (#35)
#37. To: Vicomte13 (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
#39. To: GrandIsland (#34)
Listen, the 2014 taxes mean EVERYTHING... because they prove the only point I was trying to make. The homeowners of the kookifornia house paid 2279.00 in 2014... PERIOD.
The Arizona homeowners paid 1025.00 in 2014.... PERIOD.
#40. To: GrandIsland (#34)
Someday you will be as serious towards your rights as I am.
#41. To: Vicomte13 (#36)
When, based upon newfangled ideas, men find an excuse to "scientifically" dissect the cords that bind civilization together in order to indulge in very old temptations, the result is what we have, and what we have is a society that has become reproductively sterile and has lost its mind, but believes itself smart.
#42. To: tpaine (#40)
Maybe a pity party is in order?
#43. To: tpaine (#40)
And living in a shithole apt somehow proves that?
#44. To: GrandIsland (#43)
Someday you will be as serious towards your rights as I am.
That I made sacrifices to avoid funding a nazi machine in NY. Something you refuse to do.
Inner city welfare muts feel the same way as you. They feel repressed in Ferguson... but hate to leave the welfare lifestyle. They must be patriots like you. lol --- Someday you'll make sacrifices instead of feeling you're the most important person you know. Freedom and liberty isn't free. --- If you can't help yourself, don't expect me to help you. Keep funding the kookifornia tyrannical machine. It's like pissing your pants and complaining you smell.
I have no idea why you think I need your help for anything.. In fact I pity you, for your self professed 'shithole' lifestyle.
#45. To: tpaine (#44)
I have no idea why you think I need your help for anything..
#46. To: GrandIsland (#45)
You seem to get gratification if you could get my blessing ---
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