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Title: Gun Activists Take Aim At The Mall Of America
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Published: Feb 24, 2015
Author: Sarah Kaufman
Post Date: 2015-02-24 08:12:05 by tpaine
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Gun Activists Take Aim At The Mall Of America

Posted: 02/23/15 13:18 EST

Somalia-based terrorist group Al Shabab issued a video Sunday threatening to bomb the Mall of America, along with other shopping malls in the U.S., U.K. and Canada. Now some politicians and pro-gun activists are lashing out at the Mall of America’s policy against carrying guns, arguing that citizens must legally be able to self-defend as they shop.

Republican Minnesota state Rep. Tony Cornish said the ban on guns at the Mall of America creates a “killing zone.” Plus, he argues, the mall actually has “no standing” against Minnesota state law.

According to Minnesota law, property owners can “make a reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the establishment” and ask people to leave their property if they insist on carrying a gun. They can do so in person, or by hanging a sign to that effect, according to statute 624.17. If the gun carriers don’t leave, they can be hit with a fine that “must not exceed $25"—less than most parking tickets. Property owners cannot legally take away people’s guns (and would be ill-advised to try).

The question of packing heat in the mall comes down to interpretation of the law. Bryan Strawser, executive director of Minnesota Gun Owners PAC, was quoted in a Facebook post saying that 624.17 prohibits a landlord from interfering with guests carrying a firearm. Subsection 17(e) of 624.17 does state: “A landlord may not restrict the lawful carry or possession of firearms by tenants or their guests.”

The PAC claims that the Mall of America, as a landlord, can’t enforce the signs. That would fall to the individual tenants, or store owners. “The Mall of America is well-aware that as landlords they cannot ban lawful carry,” the post says. “Carrying at the Mall of America does not violate the law, only the mall’s wishes.”

Ultimately, this could come down to the terms of individual leases and how “guests” at the mall are legally defined, but there’s plenty of room for shouting on either side of the argument.

Despite the pro-gun backlash, the Mall of America is standing firm. Its official account tweeted that the rule is clearly written on every door—a reaction to a person tweeting enthusiastically that she was planning on breaking out her concealed-carry permits to head to the mall:

The number of registered carry permits in Minnesota has steadily increased every month since the end of 2003, when the permit application process in the state changed from the discretionary “may issue” to the absolute “shall issue” as part of Laws of Minnesota 2003, Chapter 28, Article 2. That means all applicants who fit the minimum requirements for carrying a weapon must be issued a permit as an absolute, and law enforcement is awarded no discretionary provision.

Firearm permits issued to Minnesotans have increased by more than 600 percent since February 2005, according to numbers from the Minnesota Association of Defensive Firearm Instructors.

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#1. To: tpaine (#0)

If gun owners will not go there, wonder how much business they will lose?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-02-24   8:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stoner (#1)

Concealed carrying gun owners should go there, -- and ignore the signs..

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   8:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tpaine (#2)

Concealed carrying gun owners should go there, -- and ignore the signs..

I would bet we'll see a bunch of CCW holders hitting the mall and not being discreet, hoping a $25 ticket will be an opportunity for their 15 minutes of fame on teh interwebs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-24   9:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

--- an opportunity for their 15 minutes of fame ----

Or preferably, in the courts..

The question of packing heat in the mall comes down to interpretation of the law. Bryan Strawser, executive director of Minnesota Gun Owners PAC, was quoted in a Facebook post saying that 624.17 prohibits a landlord from interfering with guests carrying a firearm. Subsection 17(e) of 624.17 does state: “A landlord may not restrict the lawful carry or possession of firearms by tenants or their guests.”

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   9:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tpaine (#0)

Republican Minnesota state Rep. Tony Cornish said the ban on guns at the Mall of America creates a “killing zone.” Plus, he argues, the mall actually has “no standing” against Minnesota state law.

First of all, I'd never shop there because of their "gun ban policy"

With that said, if I had to enter it, I'd always carry conceal.

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-24   10:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland (#5)

" I'd never shop there because of their "gun ban policy"

With that said, if I had to enter it, I'd always carry conceal.

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

Very wise words ! I agree 1,000 %

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-02-24   12:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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