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Title: Homeland Security chief: Be 'vigilant' at malls
Source: USA Today
URL Source: [None]
Published: Feb 23, 2015
Author: John Bacon and David Jackson, USA TODAY
Post Date: 2015-02-23 17:53:46 by GrandIsland
Keywords: None
Views: 5923
Comments: 56

The secretary of Homeland Security warned shoppers at Minnesota's iconic Mall of America and similar venues to be vigilant in the wake of new terrorist threats.

"I'm not telling people to not go to the mall," Secretary Jeh Johnson said Sunday on NBC's Meet The Press. "I think that there needs to be an awareness."

Jim Mone, AP Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn., heightened security after a video threatening a terrorist attack was released purportedly by a Somali militant group with ties to al-Qaeda. He said, "I'm saying that the public needs to be particularly vigilant." Hours later, department spokeswoman Marsha Catron said in a statement, "We are not aware of any specific, credible plot against the Mall of America or any other domestic commercial shopping center.'' Mall of America heightened security after a video threatening a terror attack was released purportedly by a Somali militant group with ties to al-Qaeda. The group, al-Shabaab, took responsibility for an attack in 2013 at the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya, that left more than 60 people dead. The video released online focused mostly on the conflict between Kenya and Somalia and the Westgate shopping mall attack. The video calls for similar attacks at the Mall of America and elsewhere. "If just a handful of mujahedin fighters could bring Kenya to a complete standstill for nearly a week, imagine what a dedicated mujahedin in the West could do to the American or Jewish-owned shopping centers across the world," an unidentified man says on the video. "What if such an attack was to occur in the Mall of America in Minnesota? Or the West Edmonton Mall in Canada? Or in London's Oxford Street?" the man says, encouraging supporters to "hurry up, hasten towards heaven and do not hesitate." The Mall of America, among the largest shopping malls in the world, employs more than 12,000 people at more than 500 stores and 50 restaurants. It is the world's busiest mall, bringing in more than 40 million visitors annually. Mall officials issued a statement saying they take any potential threat seriously. "Mall of America has implemented extra security precautions. Some may be noticeable to guests, and others won't be," the statement said. "The safety and security of our guests, employees and tenants remains our top priority." Mall spokeswoman Sarah Schmidt told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that mall traffic and activity appeared normal Sunday. Nancy Cashion and her daughter, Melanie Isabell, told the newspaper they were in the mall 45 minutes before seeing a uniformed security officer. They were unconcerned by the video threat. "There's probably a lot of threats we don't even hear about," Isabell said. The FBI and Department of Homeland Security issued a statement Sunday saying U.S. officials were aware of the call for "Westgate-style" attacks against shopping malls in the USA and elsewhere. The statement said Homeland Security and the FBI have been working closely with state and local authorities in recent months to "prevent and mitigate these types of threats." Al-Shabaab, based in southern Somalia, was declared a terror organization under U.S. law in 2008. The group, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2012, took responsibility for an attack Friday targeting government ministers at a Mogadishu hotel. The attack killed 25. In 2013, an al-Shabaab video bragged about successes at recruiting Somalis from Minnesota to fight for their case. Minneapolis has a large Somali community. Sen Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., told WCCO-TV she was confident the mall was well-protected. "We've been in contact with Homeland Security, and I know that everyone is focused on how to best protect the mall," she said. Klobuchar said Minnesota has "been very successful in going after these guys," citing 20 indictments and nine convictions involving al-Shabaab members. Johnson, who made appearances on five Sunday shows, said the video threat reflects the militant effort to encourage supporters to conduct attacks in their homelands. "We're in a new phase now, and I'm afraid that this most recent video release reflects that," Johnson said on ABC's This Week.

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#16. To: GrandIsland (#13)

You have that right, privilege and immunity, as a retired cop. Many do not, in states like CA & NY. -- How do you suggest we act? Should we ignore these infringements on our right to carry arms?

I suggest every poster on LF take malls seriously. You can step up to the plate and end some scumbags life... or you can cower in a corner and wait to die.

Big words, that may lead to some being jailed for 'illegally' carrying. In effect, you're inciting 'illegal acts'.. Correct?

Why would you fund a states government, by paying taxes, that doesn't respect your gun rights and stay there?

Because I have family and property in the State, -- that I do not choose to leave or sell, and if I don't pay taxes they'll throw me in jail and confiscate the property.

You ignore the constitution when you fund those that pass restrictive gun laws.

I fund the legitimate govt and its valid laws. Those that pass infringements are criminals.

Why do you do that?

I don't. And you should give the Yukon type questions a rest. They make you look foolish.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-23   21:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#13)

Since 6/2014, KANSAS CITY, Kan. — A new gun law in Kansas will go into effect Tuesday that will let owners openly carry guns in public.

It will be legal to openly carry a gun in a holster, in your hand or a rifle on a sling.

Captain Rance Quinn with the Kansas City Kansas Police Department says the sight of a gun is scary for a lot of people. Police said they will still respond to calls about people with guns, but the way they handle it will be much different.

“They may make a consensual interaction with the person, ‘Like hey, how are you doing today. I see that you are exercising your right to bear firearms. Is there anything I can do for you today?’ Or something along those lines,” said Capt. Quinn.

The state already has roughly 90,000 gun owners with permits to carry concealed firearms.

The new law also gives private businesses the right to prohibit guns in their buildings.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-23   21:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tpaine (#14)

Why should I solve the problems of kookifornia, DC, Detroit or Chicago?

People that live there FUND these tyrant governments... and send a message to all other states that they can pass grey area legislation and the sheep will stay and pay them for it in yearly taxes.

I speak for myself and I solve my own problems. I might concider breaking a law that I deem unconstitutional... but I'm not gonna tell you to do it. You need to put your big boy pants on and decide for yourself. If you decide to fund and feed tyranny by paying the second highest taxes in the country, to reward your states government for their ban on certain kinds of guns and ammo, than have at it. I can't help stupid.

I however have lived a very constitutional life, carried everyday of it... and I don't fund a nanny state with taxes... and somehow you are more patriotic than me? lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GarySpFC (#17)

Sounds like a good law.

If that's your state, congrats.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: tpaine (#16) (Edited)

And you should give the Yukon type questions a rest. They make you look foolish.

All while you make Deckard assumptions of what I say. You look just as foolish.

We were debating rather CIVILY for a while... until you learned that you can't get me to willingly give my blessing for you to break your states laws that you feel are unconstitutional. It is you that will suffer the risks of picking and choosing what laws you obey. Why should I have any say in it?

This is the freest country on the planet. You are free to break any law you desire. Buck-up and decide for yourself the best way to live your life.

Just don't cry to me if you find yourself in prison.

I for one, would have moved from that Hell hole you call a state.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GrandIsland (#0)

Lots of conceal carry folks at MOA!

patriot wes  posted on  2015-02-23   21:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Why should I solve the problems of kookifornia, DC, Detroit or Chicago?

Because in your first post here you boasted: --

I never step in a mall without having a .45 caliber Glock inside my waistband... and an extra mag. I suggest every poster on LF take malls seriously. You can step up to the plate and end some scumbags life... or you can cower in a corner and wait to die.

You can carry virtually anywhere. If you take your constitutional oath seriously, you should advocate that we ALL should..

People that live there FUND these tyrant governments... and send a message to all other states that they can pass grey area legislation and the sheep will stay and pay them for it in yearly taxes. I speak for myself and I solve my own problems. I might concider breaking a law that I deem unconstitutional... but I'm not gonna tell you to do it.

Be a big boy, and admit you wouldn't want jeopardize your own position.

You need to put your big boy pants on and decide for yourself. If you decide to fund and feed tyranny by paying the second highest taxes in the country, to reward your states government for their ban on certain kinds of guns and ammo, than have at it. I can't help stupid.

You can help by honoring your constitutional oath, though. But you won't.

I however have lived a very constitutional life, carried everyday of it... and I don't fund a nanny state with taxes... and somehow you are more patriotic than me? lol

Laugh away, poor fella. You're only fooling yourself.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-23   21:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: patriot wes (#21)

Lots of conceal carry folks at MOA!

Good.

The biggest enemy of the anti gun agenda is a carry conceal citizen stopping what LE couldn't get to until too many are dead.

Stay safe.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: tpaine (#22) (Edited)

Because in your first post here you boasted: --

I never step in a mall without having a .45 caliber Glock inside my waistband... and an extra mag. I suggest every poster on LF take malls seriously. You can step up to the plate and end some scumbags life... or you can cower in a corner and wait to die.

I didn't "boast" that. That's just fact. It's perfectly legal for me to do that and I would hope everyone is smart enough to live where you can.

It's not my problem if you willingly live in an area you can't.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tpaine (#22)

You can carry virtually anywhere. If you take your constitutional oath seriously, you should advocate that we ALL should..

Yup, that's true.

But if you willingly live in a state that doesn't allow it, you will spend time in a jail cell. I speak in reality. You decide if your "reality" is the possibility of a jail cell. lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tpaine (#22) (Edited)

You can help by honoring your constitutional oath, though. But you won't.

I'm a civilian like you. How do I honor it any more than carrying 24/7, and I do... and telling you to do the same if you like, but don't cry to me from a Kookifornia prison.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: tpaine (#22)

Laugh away, poor fella. You're only fooling yourself.

Look, I live just as constitutional as you. I live in a state that has constitutional OPEN carry. I pay less taxes than you, and I don't fund a tyrannical machine.

YOU pay your government well for a good unconstitutional fucking. You willingly stay and pay that state the highest taxes so they can afford more prisons for people that refuse to move and break laws. You provide the leash that kookifornia uses to walk you around the block... who's really fooling themselves.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   21:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GarySpFC, grandisland, yall (#17)

The state already has roughly 90,000 gun owners with permits to carry concealed firearms.

The new law also gives private businesses the right to prohibit guns in their buildings. --- GarySpFC

Sounds like a good law. If that's your state, congrats. --- GrandIsland

Bad 'law', seeing it prevents those who carry, - while they go about their daily business, from entering certain businesses, on the whim of the business owner who is ostensibly open to the PUBLIC.

If you cater to a private, members only clientele, fine, you get to play games with your members rights. -- But it's not good, constitutional, law.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-23   21:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: tpaine (#28)

The only way you'll hurt that state for what they've done to you, is a mass exodus of productive tax payers to another state.

If that's all that's left are welfare, sheep, illegals, criminals and the socialist that pass your insane laws, the state will fold.

You can not make constitutional changes to a state while YOU FEED IT TAX MONEY and civilly disobey laws.

The feds will never allow a state to secede... but they can't stop all gun owners from moving to Arizona. Thus cementing the popular vote for constitutional rights.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   22:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GrandIsland (#26) (Edited)

You can carry virtually anywhere, as a retired cop. If you take your constitutional oath seriously, you should advocate that we ALL should..

Yup, that's true. ------ But if you willingly live in a state that doesn't allow it, you will spend time in a jail cell. I speak in reality. You decide if your "reality" is the possibility of a jail cell. lol

You laugh off your obligation to honor and defend our Constitution.

You could help by honoring your constitutional oath, though. But you won't...

I'm a civilian like you.

No, you're a retired official, with special privileges to carry concealed, who is laughing off his constitutional duties.

How do I honor it any more than carrying 24/7, and I do..

By defending our 2nd Amendment rights to carry, everywhere..

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-23   22:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: tpaine (#30)

No, you're a retired official, with special privileges, who is laughing off his constitutional duties.

Wtf special privledges do I have?

Are you talking about HR218?

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   22:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#29)

Bad 'law', seeing it prevents those who carry, - while they go about their daily business, from entering certain businesses, on the whim of the business owner who is ostensibly open to the PUBLIC.

If you cater to a private, members only clientele, fine, you get to play games with your members rights. -- But it's not good, constitutional, law.

The only way you'll hurt that state for what they've done to you, is a mass exodus of productive tax payers to another state.

Weird comment, seeing that the 'law' applies to you too, when you're in that state. -- We all need to oppose such 'statist laws', and the theory that our States have the power to ignore our inalienable,constitutional, bill of rights.

If that's all that's left are welfare, sheep, illegals, criminals and the socialist that pass your insane laws, the state will fold. ---- You can not make constitutional changes to a state while YOU FEED IT TAX MONEY and civilly disobey laws. ---- The feds will never allow a state to secede... but they can't stop all gun owners from moving to Arizona. Thus cementing the popular vote for constitutional rights.

You're chanting a type of 'state's rights' mantra. If only you had that respect for our Constitution...

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-23   22:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: tpaine (#32)

seeing that the 'law' applies to you too, when you're in that state.

I can assure you, I'll never set foot in kookifornia

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   22:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tpaine (#32) (Edited)

and the theory that our States have the power to ignore our inalienable,constitutional, bill of rights.

It's not my "theory"

I feel it's wrong to make any restrictions on firearms. IVE TOLD YOU THAT BEFORE.

I just don't give a shit what an overtaxed, libtard state does that I don't live in or plan on vacationing at. If I did live there or vacation there, I too would be feeding the tyrannical machine. That makes me part of the problem.

So I have no opinions on what you should do inside kookifornia, besides MOVE!!!!

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   22:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GrandIsland (#33)

I can assure you, I'll never set foot in kookifornia.

Try to keep up. -- We were discussing that Kansas 'law' mentioned at #17.

And I bet you'll go wherever your wife tells you to go..

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-23   22:38:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland (#34)

I just don't give a shit ---

Hey it's becoming very evident that you don't give a shit, about our Constitution, among other things.

Let's leave it at that.. This is getting boring.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-23   22:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: tpaine (#35)

And I bet you'll go wherever your wife tells you to go..

Contrary to your opinion, my wife and I discussed in great length were we'll retire to. It will be ARIZONA.

We are having a short lay-over in Pa until I can scab over this house and flip it for money. Another few years. Then... ARIZONA.

She knew I'd never have married her unless we were on the same page.

We made a deal. She lived in suck-ass NY for 4 years until I retired, and I'd live in bitter cold Pa for a few years while the grandkids are young. THEN OFF TO ARIZONA.

Why would I fight for your tyrannical state when I didn't have the heart to fight for and stay in my home state, NY?

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   22:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: tpaine (#36)

Hey it's becoming very evident that you don't give a shit, about our Constitution, among other things.

Let's leave it at that.. This is getting boring.

You spin it like you will. But since I retired, and I'm not bound by oath to help the helpless, I refuse to help those that won't help themselves. You fund the machine that infringes you.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-23   22:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GarySpFC, grandisland, yall (#17) (Edited)

The state already has roughly 90,000 gun owners with permits to carry concealed firearms. The new law also gives private businesses the right to prohibit guns in their buildings. --- GarySpFC

Sounds like a good law. If that's your state, congrats. --- GrandIsland

It's not a 'good law'...

Check out Minnesota's law on concealed carry in public spaces: ----

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...gi?ArtNum=38056&Disp=1#C1

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   8:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: tpaine (#39)

It's not a 'good law'...

Check out Minnesota's law on concealed carry in public spaces: ----

Unlike Minnesota's Law, anyone can openly carry a firearm in Kansas WITHOUT A PERMIT. Concealed weapons require a permit.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-24   8:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: GarySpFC (#40)

What is your objection to concealed carry on private property? Why give antigunners that power to infringe on our right to carry?

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   9:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: tpaine (#41)

What is your objection to concealed carry on private property? Why give antigunners that power to infringe on our right to carry?

I have no objection, but simply think Kansas has far better laws.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-24   9:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: GarySpFC (#42)

I have no objection, ----

Mall owners in Kansas have the 'right' to ban carrying arms on their property, and you approve?

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   9:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: tpaine (#39)

It's not a 'good law'...

Check out Minnesota's law on concealed carry in public spaces: ----

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...gi?ArtNum=38056&Disp=1#C1

It's better than the shithole laws that you fund with taxes.

You'll never escape the fact that you willingly FUND the most oppressive state in the 50, when it comes to gun laws.

I left my whole family behind so I wouldn't do the same. You have no room to question my love for the constitution. lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-24   10:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: GrandIsland (#44)

Ranting on about how paying California taxes means I 'willingly' fund oppressive gun laws, --- only makes you look foolish.

You have no room to question my love for the constitution. lol

The fact that you keep 'laughing out loud' about honoring your oath to protect and defend the document is damming in itself. Not to mention your other opinions posted above on that subject. Keep up the good work.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   10:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: BobCeleste (#2)

" Go to the Mall, have fun, enjoy the people watching and sales, but go armed to the teeth.

OK, LOL! Think anyone would say anything if I go geared up like I was on a LRRP ?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-02-24   11:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: tpaine (#45) (Edited)

Ranting on about how paying California taxes means I 'willingly' fund oppressive gun laws, --- only makes you look foolish.

Well said by the person who pays for their gun laws. Of course if you're foolish enough to pay your master, you're foolish enough not to know what foolish looks like.

I "lol" at your inability to see foolish. You speak it so many times.

Now, let's not cause your little temper tantrum to effect our past civil discourse. I was enjoying our debates. Let's just agree to disagree on our slight differences.

I've been nothing but professional, civil and respectful.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-24   12:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GrandIsland (#47)

--- let's not cause your little temper tantrum to effect our past civil discourse.

Accusing me of having a 'temper tantrum' is laughably unprofessional, from my pov..

I was enjoying our debates. Let's just agree to disagree on our slight differences. -- I've been nothing but professional, civil and respectful.

You've been far from respectful of our Constitution and your oath to uphold and defend it, imho. -- But that aside, sure, we can be civil, and agree to disagree on our far from slight differences...

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   16:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: tpaine (#48)

You've been far from respectful of our Constitution and your oath to uphold and defend it, imho. -- But that aside, sure, we can be civil, and agree to disagree on our far from slight differences...

Come on, while I'll admit that I won't outright suggest you break a gun law of kookifornia, I will admit I fund that nazi machine with zero dollars.

That's only were we differ, because I might break a gun law I don't agree with. I have no problem telling you that. I just won't suggest you do it... it's gonna be you that does the jail time, you should make your own decisions. Doesn't mean I agree with the kookifornia laws you fund. Cause I don't.

You add more fuel to kookifornia's nazi laws more than I do. I won't even vacation inside that libtard shithole.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-24   16:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GrandIsland (#49)

You're upset about the politics of coastal California. So am I, and I moved to the mountains at my first opportunity.

Calm yourself. Rationality will prevail in this State. -- Soon, imho.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   17:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: tpaine (#50)

Calm yourself. Rationality will prevail in this State. -- Soon, imho.

In kookifornia?

That state is beyond fucked.

Who's talking foolish now.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-24   17:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GrandIsland (#51)

Calm yourself. Rationality will prevail in this State. -- Soon, imho.

That state is beyond fucked.

Yep, the copsucking socialists who run our state govt are gonna be fucked royally when the economy collapses. You can bet that transplants from NY, hiding out in Arizona, will be affected too.

But here in northern California's mountain river valleys, we generate our own power, raise our own food, and are pretty well protected from flatlander zombie invasions by the terrain.

Eat your heart out, but don't try to move here.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   17:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: tpaine (#52)

You can bet that transplants from NY, hiding out in Arizona, will be affected too.

Take a breath. You are getting worked up.

Now, calmly, tell me how YOU paying thousands upon thousands of dollars in property, school and sales taxes, to the kookifornia tyrants, will affect me in Arizona?

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-24   18:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: tpaine (#52)

Eat your heart out, but don't try to move here.

What makes you think I would move to kookifornia and pay Kookifornia 8 thousand dollars a year in property taxes, for a house that I would only spend 2 thousand on the same appraised value in Arizona... and that extra 6 GRAND would be my gift to Kookifornia for the fuckin' they give me towards my gun rights?

You pay kookifornia an extra 6K for your constitutional screwin'. I hope they at least send you a yearly Christmas card.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-24   18:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GrandIsland (#54)

Eat your heart out, but don't try to move here.

What makes you think I would move to kookifornia ---

It was a rhetorical warning; -- we have too many like you here already.

-- and pay kookifornia 8 thousand dollars a year in property taxes, for a house ---

You expect to buy a 800k Calif style property in Arizona for 200k? --- Good luck.

Take a breath. You are getting worked up.

You're the one ranting about Kookifornia, not me....

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-24   18:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: All (#40)

Kansas Senate gives initial OK to bill allowing concealed-carry without permit BY BRYAN LOWRYEAGLE TOPEKA BUREAU 02/25/2015 6:18 PM 02/26/2015 12:01 PM

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/politics- government/article11172491.html#storylink=cpy

A bill that would enable Kansans to carry concealed firearms without requiring training or a background check won initial approval in the Kansas Senate on Wednesday.

Senate Bill 45 would make Kansas a “constitutional carry” state, meaning citizens would not need a permit to carry a hidden firearm. The bill would maintain the current permit process for people who want to use their permits in 36 other states.

The bill would give Kansas some of the loosest gun regulations in the country. It would group Kansas with other states with similarly open rules for tucking firearms in purses and waistbands, including Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming. Montana requires no permit outside city limits.

“Second Amendment rights are very important to the people of Kansas,” said Senate Majority Leader Terry Bruce, R-Hutchinson.

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Kansas Senate expected to debate gun rights bill this week Bill Warren says proposed gun bill would have negative effect on his business Kansas Senate approves teacher-prosecution bill House gives initial OK to bill keeping candidates’ names on ballot unless they die He said he was proud to see the legislation move forward, but he downplayed its impact in a state where many residents already conceal and carry. “When you put everything in perspective, the end result may end up really being a non-event,” he said. “I don’t think a lot will change when we pass it.”

Approached in the Capitol earlier in the day, Gov. Sam Brownback said he had not yet read the bill and could not say if he would support it.

Bill Warren, a Wichita business owner and Republican donor, expressed concerns earlier in the week about the impact the bill could have on his business. Warren said he had been informed that his insurance rates would increase if he allowed people who had not received training to conceal and carry in his movie theaters.

Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau, D-Wichita, placed a copy of Warren’s interview with The Eagle on each senator’s desk.

Sen. Jacob LaTurner, R-Pittsburg, who carried the bill, tried to alleviate those concerns. He said that, according to the Kansas Insurance Department, other states that have adopted constitutional carry have not seen noticeable insurance rate increases.

Private businesses would have the right to require that only people with permits could conceal and carry within their premises, he said.

He also contended that Kansans should have the right to protect themselves with a firearm without getting a permit.

“We need to trust the people of Kansas. I don’t think we can ever go wrong if we do that,” LaTurner said.

Sen. Tom Hawk, D-Manhattan, raised concerns that without requiring training it would be difficult to ensure safety and said people ought to pass a safety course before they can conceal and carry.

Faust-Goudeau had similar concerns.

“I think carrying without that training may down the road have some dangerous side effects,” she said.

LaTurner responded by pointing out that the state allows people to carry guns openly without requiring a permit. He also said training would still be available for people who think they need it.

The bill will be up for final passage in the Senate on Thursday. It then would go to the House.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/politics- government/article11172491.html#storylink=cpy

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-26   23:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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