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Title: If Congress does not immediately impeach and remove obama
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Published: Feb 19, 2015
Author: Bob Celeste for
Post Date: 2015-02-19 11:06:38 by BobCeleste
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If Congress does not immediately impeach and remove obama, we, the people, should immediately impeach and remove Congress.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these states; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the US congress, administration, and courts is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.

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#10. To: BobCeleste (#0)

If Congress does not immediately impeach and remove obama, we, the people, should immediately impeach and remove Congress.

We can hold a revolution but neither the states nor the people can impeach or remove a congressman or senator. Only the members can throw out one of their own.

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#12. To: nolu chan (#10)

Only the members can throw out one of their own.

Even if they refuse to seat a legally elected congressman or senator (for criminality or morals), that person is still the legal congressional representative of his district or the senator of his state. You cannot, for instance, just replace them by a special election or by appointing a replacement. They have to resign from office first. Some states do have statutes to support declaring the office vacant if they're convicted of a major crime but it rarely comes to that. The party always pressures them heavily to resign first.

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#17. To: TooConservative (#12)

Even if they refuse to seat a legally elected congressman or senator (for criminality or morals), that person is still the legal congressional representative of his district or the senator of his state. You cannot, for instance, just replace them by a special election or by appointing a replacement. They have to resign from office first.

The elected congressman or senator is not the legal rep until he takes the oath. Once s/he is a member, s/he can be expelled.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section5

Article I, Section 5, clause 2

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

https://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid='0E%2C*PL%5B%3A%230%20%20%0A

Congressional Research Service

Recall of Legislators and the Removal of Members of Congress from Office

Jack Maskell Legislative Attorney January 5, 2012

[excerpt from introductory summary]

Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting.

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This report discusses the manner in which a Member of Congress may be removed from office by “expulsion,” and then examines the issue of “recall” of legislators.

The term of office established in the United States Constitution for a United States Senator is six years, and for a Representative in Congress, two years. Under the Constitution and congressional practice, Members of Congress may have their services ended prior to the normal expiration of their constitutional terms of office by their resignation, death, or by action of the house of Congress in which they sit by way of an expulsion, or by a finding that a subsequent public office accepted by a Member is “incompatible” with congressional office and that the Member has consequently vacated his seat in Congress. As noted in the rules and manual of the House of Representatives with respect to the way in which vacancies may be brought about: “Vacancies are caused by death, resignation, declination, withdrawal, or action of the House in declaring a vacancy as existing or causing one by expulsion.”

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