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Title: Egypt 'bombs IS in Libya' after beheadings video
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URL Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31483631
Published: Feb 16, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-02-16 07:58:32 by out damned spot
Keywords: Egypt, ISIS, Libya
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VIDEO The BBC's Sally Nabil in Cairo says the strikes send "a very strong message" Egypt says it has bombed Islamic State targets in Libya, hours after the group published video showing the apparent beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians. State TV said the dawn strikes had targeted camps, training sites and weapons storage areas. Earlier, President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said Egypt had the "right to respond" against IS. A video emerged on Sunday showing a group wearing orange overalls being forced to the ground and decapitated. IS militants claim to have carried out several attacks in Libya, which is in effect without a government. "Egypt reserves the right to respond at the proper time and in the appropriate style in retaliation against those inhuman criminal killers," President Sisi said. "Egypt and the whole world are in a fierce battle with extremist groups carrying extremist ideology and sharing the same goals." The kidnapped Egyptian workers, all Coptic Christians, were seized in December and January from the coastal town of Sirte in eastern Libya, under the control of Islamist groups. The video of the beheadings was posted online by Libyan jihadists who pledge loyalty to IS. It was one of the first such videos to come from an IS group outside its core territory in Syria and Iraq. The video describes the Copts as "crusaders" and refers among other things to two women, wives of Coptic priests, whose alleged conversion to Islam triggered a sectarian dispute in Egypt in 2010. Egypt did not give the locations of the strikes, but a spokesman for Libyan Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thinni told the BBC that Egyptian jets had taken part in co-ordinated air strikes on Derna. "Eight strikes have been conducted so far [in Derna]. The plan is to target all IS locations in the country wherever they are," said Mohamed Azazza. Libyan Air force commander Saqer al-Joroushi told Reuters news agency that Libyan planes had bombed targets in Sirte and Bin Jawad. Thirteen of the dead men came from the village of Al-Our, in Minya. Screams of grief come from several houses in the dusty back streets, and groups of black-clad women go from house to house to offer condolences. One woman, wailing in the street, tells us she has lost five relatives. In the packed courtyard of the church, mourners are gathering for a memorial service. Local men say they are desperate for work and Libya is their only hope of a job. Many say they still have relatives working there, and that villagers will continue to go there in search of work. Egypt declared seven days of national mourning after the release of the video. In a televised address, President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi described IS as "inhuman criminal killers". "Egypt and the whole world are in a fierce battle with extremist groups carrying extremist ideology and sharing the same goals," he said. He later visited St Mark's Cathedral in Cairo to offer his condolences to Coptic Pope Tawadros II. Egypt is already fighting Islamist insurgents based in the Sinai peninsula who have declared their allegiance to Islamic State. Sirte abductions Leading international condemnation, the United States called the killings "despicable" and "cowardly". Pope Francis expressed his "profound sadness". Libya is home to a large community of both Muslim and Coptic Egyptians, with most working in the construction sector. In the first kidnapping in Sirte, in late December, a group of Coptic Christians was abducted at a fake checkpoint while trying to leave the city. Days later, militants raided a residential compound in Sirte and separated Christians from Muslims before handcuffing their captives and taking them away. Libya has been in chaos since 2011 and the overthrow of its then-leader, Col Muammar Gaddafi. Since then, numerous militia groups have battled for control. It has two rival governments, one based in Tripoli and the other in Tobruk. Meanwhile, the eastern city of Benghazi - where the 2011 revolution began - is largely in the hands of militant fighters, some with links to al-Qaeda. The head of the US Defense Intelligence Agency warned last month that IS was assembling "a growing international footprint that includes ungoverned and under-governed areas", including Libya. On Sunday, Italy closed its embassy in Tripoli. Italy, the former colonial power, lies less than 500 miles (750km) from Libya at the shortest sea crossing point. Tripoli: government appointed by old parliament that challenged legitimacy of last year's elections Tobruk: internationally recognised government, ousted from capital not long after 2014 election Both backed by loose alliance of militias focused on local interests Benghazi: second city and headquarters of 2011 Revolution, largely in hands of Islamist fighters, some with links to al-Qaeda Misrata: third city and main port, also loyal to Tripoli authorities. Its militias keep them in power. Derna: home to Islamic State
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#1. To: out damned spot, BobCeleste, GarySpFc, liberator (#0)
From Joel Rosenbergs site: UPDATED: Much of the West remains asleep or lethargic concerning the threat posed by the Islamic State, even as the movement’s gruesome killing spree continues unabated. The latest: an Islamic State affiliate has beheaded 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians who were working in Libya, according to a new ISIS video released on Sunday. “In the video, militants in black marched the captives, dressed in orange jump suits, to a beach the group said was near Tripoli,” reported Reuters. “They were forced down onto their knees, then beheaded.” “The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church,” read a caption on the five minute video, Reuters noted. President Obama spent eight hours golfing on Sunday. But Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi vowed to “avenge” the “criminal killings.” He immediately ordered the Egyptian air force to bomb ISIS sites in Libya, and he announced that more attacks against the jihadists were coming. He also called for a seven-day period of mourning for the murdered Christians. “These cowardly actions will not undermine our determination” said el-Sisi, who also banned all travel to Libya by Egyptian citizens and said his government reserves the right to seek retaliation, reported the Associated Press. “Egypt and the whole world are in a fierce battle with extremist groups carrying extremist ideology and sharing the same goals.” The AP report noted that “the killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self- declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles (800 kilometers) from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to ‘conquer Rome.'” “All crusaders: safety for you will be only wishes, especially if you are fighting us all together,” states one of the jihadists on the ISIS video. “Therefore we will fight you all together. The sea you have hidden Sheikh Osama bin Laden’s body in, we swear to Allah we will mix it with your blood.” More here: "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Now Obama will bomb Egypt in reprisal for its terrorism.
Ping
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Muslims killing muslims a harvest of gigantic proportions for their god, satan aka allah.
Muslims killing muslims a harvest of gigantic proportions for their god, satan aka allah. It has been the Muslim way since their founding. They kill each other off when they can't get their hooks on Jews and Christians.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
another successful attempt at nation building by the emperor .(sarcasm font engaged )
Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.(Daniel Webster)
LOL. Welcome Cuz.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Lol, you'll be doing a lot of that, lest the external insanity gets to you ;-) another successful attempt at nation building by the emperor . Yes, and yet another epic SUCCESS!!" (sarcasm font engaged, and BOLDED )
serving their god, the god of death and destruction.
Interesting dynamic going on here. Egypt and Jordan are now at war with ISIS. Incredibly, the occupied US goob does nothing but help ISIS behind the scene. If CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/MSNBC published this photo, I wonder what America's reaction would be? And pray tell -- WHAT is 0dinga's statement on this insanity? Anything about looking like his "sons"? One of the militants in the video makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to ‘conquer Rome.'” If Reagan were President, the de-infestation would take about three days. (Meanwhile 0dinga cheers on his brethren, the media snoozes, the GOP fiddles, and McCain is worried about getting enough Metamuecil in his Kool-Ade.)
It wouldn't surprise anyone. The Media would actually cheer that on. (I wonder if the US military has gotten the memo yet that they are being used the same way the Wehrmacht and SS were by Der Fuhrer?) I also wonder what's stopping 0dinga from rounding up "bitter clingers" crackahs and sending them to FEMA/concentration camps? Oh wait -- he's still got at least another couple of years in his bunker, doesn't he?
Ronald Reagan (may he rot in hell) armed jihadis in Afghanistan that led to the rise of al-Qaeda/ISIS.
John McCain tweeted that he wants to see this same type of Islamic violence come to the streets of Russia, a Christian nation.
Ronald Reagan armed Muslims in Afghanistan to kill other Muslims,as well as your Soviet heroes. One of the best things done by any president this century.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
One of the best things done by any president this century. I have to admit. That you don't always sound like Obama. Here you sound like a normal American. I don't think it was the best thing done by any president the past century. But it was in our interest and the right thing to do. Pericles you are a well read person obviously. It is a shame that you are so blind on some issues.
I say the same applies to you, Mr. Stone.
That wouldn't surprise me. That I am wrong.
This is a myth. The US armed and trained anti-Russian Afghan mujahedeen . We neither financed ,trained ,or armed the Arab jihadists like OBL's AQ network . CNN's terrorism analyst Peter Bergen was the 1st reporter to interview OBL . He gave this answer to a question on the subject : If it's true that bin Laden once worked for the CIA, what makes you so sure that he isn't still? Anne Busigin, Toronto, Canada BERGEN: This is one of those things where you cannot put it out of its misery. The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him. Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.(Daniel Webster)
Notice that Obama does not mention that they were CHRISTIANS: The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release February 15, 2015 Statement by the Press Secretary on the Murder of Egyptian Citizens The United States condemns the despicable and cowardly murder of twenty-one Egyptian citizens in Libya by ISIL-affiliated terrorists. We offer our condolences to the families of the victims and our support to the Egyptian government and people as they grieve for their fellow citizens. ISIL’s barbarity knows no bounds. It is unconstrained by faith, sect, or ethnicity. This wanton killing of innocents is just the most recent of the many vicious acts perpetrated by ISIL-affiliated terrorists against the people of the region, including the murders of dozens of Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai, which only further galvanizes the international community to unite against ISIL. This heinous act once again underscores the urgent need for a political resolution to the conflict in Libya, the continuation of which only benefits terrorist groups, including ISIL. We call on all Libyans to strongly reject this and all acts of terrorism and to unite in the face of this shared and growing threat. We continue to strongly support the efforts of the United Nations Special Representative of the Secretary-General Bernardino Leon to facilitate formation of a national unity government and help foster a political solution in Libya. www.whitehouse.gov/the-pr...15/02/15/statement-press- secretary-murder-egyptian-citizens
‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’
The United States condemns the despicable and cowardly murder of twenty-one Egyptian citizens in Libya by ISIL-affiliated terrorists. We offer our condolences to the families of the victims and our support to the Egyptian government and people as they grieve for their fellow citizens. ISIL’s barbarity knows no bounds. It is unconstrained by faith, sect, or ethnicity. This wanton killing of innocents is just the most recent of the many vicious acts perpetrated by ISIL-affiliated terrorists against the people of the region, including the murders of dozens of Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai, which only further galvanizes the international community to unite against ISIL. Egyptian citizens were not Christians? These terrorists were not Islamic?
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
These terrorists were not Islamic? What a disgusting statement by the POTUS. They were beheaded solely because they are Christians. This man and his Brotherhood cabal are enemies of all that I hold dear. Our only consolation is that they will face Him one day. May that day come soon.
‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’
I fully understand your feelings, and yet Christ commanded us to love and pray for our enemies, and that dear lady is what makes us different.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
And I do. It takes me awhile to get thru the anger to the place that I can overcome it. Prayer is an amazing event.
‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’
And it is such faith that makes you more valuable to the Lord than all the stars in heaven.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
That is the exact same thing - WTF do you think mujahedeen means? Mujahideen (Arabic: المجاهدين) is the plural form of mujahid (Arabic: مجاهد), the term for one engaged in Jihad. The USA directly financed, armed, trained and gave support to Muslims engaged in a jihad. Face reality and face the fact Ronald Reagan's administration was the current world wide jihad's midwife.
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‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’
Wrong. Billy Waugh was working for the CIA in Afghanistan back before we went in there officially,and met or saw OBL at mujahedeen meetings. That's how he recognized him when he spotted OBL attending a party at Carlos,the Jackal's villa in Khartoum while he was tracking Carlos. Billy knew OBL was a suspect in the African embassy bombings,and requested permission from the Clinton administration to kill OBL,and even went so far as to rent an apartment across the street from the villa OBL had rented and set up and manned a sniper post 24/7 while awaiting permission. He was denied permission to kill either. Clinton decided to allow the French to arrest Carlos,so Billy gave them all the info they had on him,and took photos of Carlos being arrested by the French police,and even took photos of his wife leaving the villa after he arrest. He also followed OBL to the airport and watched him fly out of the country because he was denied permission to kill him. Look up Billy Waugh as a author on amazon and you can buy the book about his life. I've known Billy casually since around 1965,when we were in the same company on Okinawa,and he did do the things he claims to have done.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You need to face the reality that neither Reagan or the US ever supported jihad. What we supported was killing communists,which is always a worthwhile thing to do. It just so happened that in this particular case it happened to be Muslims killing commies,so we helped them to continue to do what they had already been doing,and to do it at a more advanced level. We didn't invent jihad. We utilized it as a tool to help destroy our enemies.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp? timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_counterterrorism_before_9_1 1=huntForBinLaden I still have found no evidence that the US supported the Arab mujahideen. OBL ran his own operation with his own money and some Saudi support. His Maktab al- Khidamat (MAK) operated with about 100 Arab mujahidin and played an insignificant role in the war against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Sure ,some of the Afgans we trained conceivably became part of the ranks of the Taliban later . But I see no evidence that US weapons played any role beyond forcing the Soviets to withdraw. Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.(Daniel Webster)
There was a logic to his policy, although we probably should not have supplied Stinger missiles. We should have supplied enough aid to the Mujaheddin to tie down the Soviets, but not enough to secure a victory. The way he played off Iraq against Iraq was something Machiavelli or Richelieu would have understood. Our interest was to see the Soviets tied down, not defeated. I wish that he had not gotten us involved in the re-flagging of Kuwaiti tankers, he was pressed into that after the Soviets began to carry Kuwaiti oil in their tankers. Far better to have let them do it, then any military confrontations would have been between the USSR and Iran. As it ended up our involvement led to the end of the Iran-Iraq War, a tragic outcome.
The USA via Reagan supported killing commies via 'jihadis' aka Mujaheeden - a word I see which you are not using any more in this discussion because you just found it means jihad. And Afghanistan would have been better off under commie rule - all that stuff we spent trillions to build like schools for girls, etc would have been done by the commies while they went after and defeated jihadis.
I couldn't agree more,and there is no one in the west more to blame for the terrorism of today than the treasonous whores in the Bush Crime Family and their Saudi masters.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Awful full of yourself ain't you,comrade? I don't give a rabid rats ass about Afghanistan,and seriously doubt you do. AFAIAC,the best thing that could ever happen to that place is a day of mass suicide. You're just pissed because your Soviet masters lost power. I will give you credit for being a faithful little slave,though. Every society needs them,and bureaucracies would crumble without them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It is not so much about caring for Afghanistan - I just pointed out something Reagan lovers hate to bring up - that his administration armed jihadis who eventually founded al-qaeda. I remember reading windbag politicians claiming the USA is sympatico with Islamic jihadists against the USSR because the USSR was atheist and America was a God of Abrahamic worshiper just like the jihadists.
The Gipper in Hell? For what? Lol -- "the rise of al-Qaeda/ISIS"?? You seem to have a warped sense of history. And sense of the man who was instrumental in halting the Soviet-Commie advance and well as steamrolling the former USSR. But then you're an admitted hater of the USA, so your opinion isn't much of a surprise.
One of the best things done by any president this century. It was a clever tactical move that bloodied the old USSR and stopped cold their spread of Communism. What also was clever was getting involved in Nicaragua, and using the meme of "rescue American medical students in Granada" to again checkmate Soviet expansionism. In 8 years, his only major military move. "Speak softly, carry a big stick."
My personal favorite moment was when he said over a live mic,"Call the premier of the Soviet Union and tell him the bombing begins in 5 minutes",and then laughing and saying he was just joking and didn't know the mic was hot. He clearly knew the mic was hot,and he clearly knew the Soviets thought he was a stupid cowboy and that he scared the piss out of them. He was taking advantage of his reputation and their fear. After dealing with Jim-mah Carter,Reagan has to put them in shock.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Afghanistan had zero to do with the fall of the USSR and spending billions (back then it was real money) to set up a jihad logistics network created the mess we are in today with the global jihad. And at the end the USA spent billions to try and do in Afghanistan what the Soviets were better at - build infrastructure and educate the population. Afghansitan was actually a place with a few cosmopolita cities back in the day.
Afghanistan had a history of not being to welcoming to invaders, the British had a few nasty experiences there in the nineteenth century. But back then they were not full of Wahhabi'st whack-jobs, that would be the corrupt House of Saud that spread that cancer. Going into Afghanistan did not help the USSR, they were weakened by imperial overstretch that sapped their strength. Had they been successful at "nation building" it would have devoured resources, building trolleybus lines in Kabul was just as wasteful as fighting against Massoud.
Well stated truth of the matter. And until Soviet expansionism was thwarted Afghanistan, the Soviets had not yet really been stopped. Had they been successful at "nation building" it would have devoured resources, building trolleybus lines in Kabul was just as wasteful as fighting against Massoud. True. It was a LOSE-LOSE as the neocon's eventually discovered.
The very top of the list on 'The Greatest Hits of the Gipper'. He clearly knew the mic was hot,and he clearly knew the Soviets thought he was a stupid cowboy and that he scared the piss out of them. He was taking advantage of his reputation and their fear. I agree. Reagan played on his stupid, reckless cowboy perception and used it to his advantage. He was as sly as a fox. He wound up scaring the piss out of both the Ruskies AND Dems. I don't think anybody but Reagan would or could have pulled off that SDI bluff that checkmated the Soviets. The man even went against the advice of his political advisors, demanding Gorby "Tear down this wall!" and called the USSR an "evil empire." Aaah - an "American" President. What a novel idea.
Of course it did. Pretending that debacle had no bearing of weakening the Soviet expansionism and morale is just wishful thinking. Even they would disagree with you. And at the end the USA spent billions to try and do in Afghanistan what the Soviets were better at - build infrastructure and educate the population. HUH?? The Soviets weren't in A-Stan to either "educate" OR "build infrastructure." Nice try. At the end of the day neither the USSR or the US should have been occupying A-Stan.
Deciding to fight the USSR by sponsoring the world wide jihad did not help the USA either and overstretched and sapped America's strength as well.
The fall in oil prices destroyed the USSR because it could no longer afford to support its overseas empire.
You are clueless,comrade.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
True,and my biggest fear is we will never see one like him again. The Party Machine is now in full control of candidates. Even in his time they forced him to take that treasonous globalist fool Poppy Bush as his VP,or they would refuse to support his candidacy.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You are either delusional,or a hired fool. NOBODY is that freaking ignorant.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You are either delusional,or a hired fool. NOBODY is that freaking ignorant. That is exactly what caused - seriously, do you live in a factless bubble? Communism Collapsed Due to Collapse in Oil Price in Late 1980’s and German Banks – Not Due to Reagan http://www.susmitkumar.net/index.php/reason-for-ussr-collapse-oil-a-german- banks-not-reagan
Yeah,causen the Soviets were selling so much oil to Cuba,East Germany,etc,etc,etc,that they went bankrupt when the robust economies in those nations took a dive,huh? Santa Stalin bring you anything good last year?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The oil revenue brought in foreign exchange and then the Soviets would buy goods from their eastern bloc nations. When the Soviets ran out of money trade ground to a halt. It's simple economics.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but I just happen to know the aide to the man who was the Russian General in Afghanistan. He told me they got their butts kicked, and they were thrilled to leave.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
That is not the same as saying this caused the collapse of the USSR.
Egypt says it has bombed Islamic State targets in Libya, hours after the group published video showing the apparent beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians.
#2. To: out damned spot (#0)
#3. To: liberator, *Military or Vets Affairs* (#0)
#4. To: redleghunter (#1)
#5. To: BobCeleste (#4)
#6. To: redleghunter (#5)
#7. To: tomder55 (#6)
another successful attempt at nation building by the emperor .(sarcasm font engaged )
#8. To: tomder55 (#6)
(sarcasm font engaged )
#9. To: redleghunter (#5)
It has been the Muslim way since their founding. They kill each other off when they can't get their hooks on Jews and Christians.
#10. To: redleghunter (#1)
BREAKING: Egypt’s President el-Sisi orders military strikes after ISIS beheads 21 Egyptian Christians. Details & analysis.
#11. To: rlk (#2)
Now 0bama will bomb Egypt in reprisal for its terrorism.
#12. To: Liberator (#10)
If Reagan were President, the de-infestation would take about three days.
#13. To: Liberator (#10)
#14. To: Pericles (#12)
Ronald Reagan (may he rot in hell) armed jihadis in Afghanistan that led to the rise of al-Qaeda/ISIS.
#15. To: sneakypete, Pericles (#14)
Ronald Reagan armed Muslims in Afghanistan to kill other Muslims,as well as your Soviet heroes.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)
It is a shame that you are so blind on some issues.
#17. To: Fred Mertz (#16)
I say the same applies to you, Mr. Stone.
#18. To: Pericles (#12)
Ronald Reagan (may he rot in hell) armed jihadis in Afghanistan that led to the rise of al-Qaeda/ISIS.
#19. To: Liberator (#10)
WHAT is 0dinga's statement on this insanity?
#20. To: out damned spot (#19)
For Immediate Release February 15, 2015 Statement by the Press Secretary on the Murder of Egyptian Citizens
#21. To: GarySpFC (#20)
Egyptian citizens were not Christians?
#22. To: out damned spot (#21)
Our only consolation is that they will face Him one day. May that day come soon.
#23. To: GarySpFC (#22)
I fully understand your feelings, and yet Christ commanded us to love and pray for our enemies, and that dear lady is what makes us different
#24. To: out damned spot (#23)
And I do. It takes me awhile to get thru the anger to the place that I can overcome it. Prayer is an amazing event.
#25. To: tomder55, sneakypete, A K A Stone, TooConservative, A Pole (#18)
(Edited)
The US armed and trained anti-Russian Afghan mujahedeen . We neither financed ,trained ,or armed the Arab jihadists like OBL's AQ network .
#26. To: GarySpFC (#24)
#27. To: tomder55 (#18)
The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.
#28. To: Pericles (#25)
Face reality and face the fact Ronald Reagan's administration was the current world wide jihad's midwife.
#29. To: sneakypete (#27)
(Edited)
Thanks . A quick search confirms your timeline.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#15)
I don't think it was the best thing done by any president the past century.
#31. To: sneakypete (#28)
You need to face the reality that neither Reagan or the US ever supported jihad. What we supported was killing communists,which is always a worthwhile thing to do.
#32. To: nativist nationalist (#30)
As it ended up our involvement led to the end of the Iran-Iraq War, a tragic outcome.
#33. To: Pericles (#31)
The USA via Reagan supported killing commies via 'jihadis' aka Mujaheeden - a word I see which you are not using any more in this discussion because you just found it means jihad.
#34. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
#35. To: Pericles (#12)
Ronald Reagan (may he rot in hell) armed jihadis in Afghanistan that led to the rise of al-Qaeda/ISIS.
#36. To: sneakypete (#14)
Ronald Reagan armed Muslims in Afghanistan to kill other Muslims,as well as your Soviet heroes.
#37. To: Liberator (#36)
In 8 years, his only major military move. "Speak softly, carry a big stick."
#38. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#36)
#39. To: Pericles (#38)
Afghanistan had zero to do with the fall of the USSR and spending billions (back then it was real money) to set up a jihad logistics network created the mess we are in today with the global jihad.
#40. To: nativist nationalist, Pericles (#39)
Going into Afghanistan did not help the USSR, they were weakened by imperial overstretch that sapped their strength.
#41. To: sneakypete, Pericles, nativist nationalist (#37)
My personal favorite moment was when he said over a live mic,"Call the premier of the Soviet Union and tell him the bombing begins in 5 minutes",and then laughing and saying he was just joking and didn't know the mic was hot.
#42. To: Pericles (#38)
Afghanistan had zero to do with the fall of the USSR...
#43. To: nativist nationalist (#39)
Going into Afghanistan did not help the USSR, they were weakened by imperial overstretch that sapped their strength.
#44. To: Liberator (#42)
Of course it did. Pretending that debacle had no bearing of weakening the Soviet expansionism and morale is just wishful thinking. Even they would disagree with you.
#45. To: Pericles (#38)
Afghanistan had zero to do with the fall of the USSR and spending billions (back then it was real money) to set up a jihad logistics network created the mess we are in today with the global jihad.
#46. To: Liberator (#41)
Aaah - an "American" President. What a novel idea.
#47. To: Pericles (#44)
The fall in oil prices destroyed the USSR because it could no longer afford to support its overseas empire.
#48. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#47)
The fall in oil prices destroyed the USSR because it could no longer afford to support its overseas empire.
#49. To: Pericles (#48)
Communism Collapsed Due to Collapse in Oil Price in Late 1980’s and German Banks – Not Due to Reagan
#50. To: sneakypete (#49)
Yeah,causen the Soviets were selling so much oil to Cuba,East Germany,etc,etc,etc,that they went bankrupt when the robust economies in those nations took a dive,huh?
#51. To: Pericles (#38)
Afghanistan had zero to do with the fall of the USSR and spending billions (back then it was real money) to set up a jihad logistics network created the mess we are in today with the global jihad. And at the end the USA spent billions to try and do in Afghanistan what the Soviets were better at - build infrastructure and educate the population. Afghansitan was actually a place with a few cosmopolita cities back in the day.
#52. To: GarySpFC (#51)
Sorry to bust your bubble, but I just happen to know the aide to the man who was the Russian General in Afghanistan. He told me they got their butts kicked, and they were thrilled to leave.
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