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Title: No-knock police raid ends in blazing tragedy
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URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp ... -raid-ends-in-blazing-tragedy/
Published: Feb 11, 2015
Author: Leo Hohmann
Post Date: 2015-02-11 08:07:21 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 13168
Comments: 52

Gun owners and self-defense advocates are lauding a rare victory in which a Texas grand jury has refused to indict a homeowner for shooting and killing a police officer who entered his home unannounced in the middle of the night.

The homeowner, Henry Magee, 28, said he thought the officers who broke through his door were robbers and he acted in self-defense to protect his pregnant girlfriend and two children.

Police were acting on a tip from a criminal informant that led them to believe Magee had more than a dozen marijuana plants, all at least six feet tall, in his rural home in Burleson County. Officers included a line on the warrant that Magee also had “possible illegal guns” stolen from the local sheriff’s office. The local magistrate signed off on the warrant, with deadly consequences.

Before the sun came up on Dec. 19, nine deputies broke down the door to Magee’s mobile home and set off a flash-bang grenade. Magee confronted them, firing away as they barged through the door. One of the deputies, Adam Sowders, fell dead.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

" No-knock police raid ends in blazing tragedy "

And just what / why the necessity for a "no knock" raid in this case ??

No Knock's are greatly overused, and in most cases it seams unnecessary. This raid could have been accomplished in daylight hours, and simply knock on the door. Or, arrest him outside, then conduct the search warrant. The target of the raid was not "John Dillinger", or "Machine Gun Kelly". A lot of trouble would have been averted, one less officer would be dead; and a man, a pregnant woman, and two children would not be traumatized.

How much effort went into verifying the information from the "criminal informant"? None apparently.

I guess we can be glad that the children were not injured or killed.

Folks, there was really no need in a "no knock" warrant in this case. Many cases, they are not. And in many cases they produce tragic consequences, unnecessarily, like this one.

Stoner  posted on  2015-02-11   8:32:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stoner (#1)

Excellent analysis!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-11   8:44:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)

"Excellent analysis!"

Pffft!

A no-knock was called for because the individual was a suspected armed drug dealer. And, as we now know, armed and dangerous.

Knock on the door? Sure, give him time to flush away the drug evidence. Or time to load his guns and shoot through the door.

Confront him outside? Oh yeah. Let's have a shootout in the open and jeopardize all the neighbors.

Had the police done any of those things resulting in dead and injured, our resident pro-drug anarchist would be crying, "Why didn't they simply surprise him in the early morning while he was still in his residence? The cops were stupid for putting themselves and innocent civilians at risk."

So easy to be a Monday-morning quarterback, isn't it? It makes one seem soooo smart.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-11   9:19:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#3)

Can you cite the Texas law that provides for "no knock" warrants?

Abcdefg  posted on  2015-02-12   1:42:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Abcdefg (#22)

"Can you cite the Texas law that provides for "no knock" warrants?"

Why? Are you saying a no-knock warrant was legally required in this incident?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-12   11:07:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: misterwhite (#24)

I'll take that as a "no".

Abcdefg  posted on  2015-02-13   1:45:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Abcdefg (#25)

"I'll take that as a "no".

You should take it as "Why are you asking?"

Your question implies that a) they needed a no-knock warrant, b) they didn't have a no-knock warrant, and c) even if they did, a no-knock warrant is illegal in Texas.

First of all, all three of those assumptions are incorrect. Second, it's a moot point. Although they needed a search warrant to enter the home, they didn't need a no-knock warrant because of exigent circumstances -- the stolen weapons.

You're so busy setting up these irrelevant "no-knock" strawman arguments that you're missing the point. Why should I waste my time addressing them?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-13   10:28:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite (#27)

they didn't need a no-knock warrant because of exigent circumstances -- the stolen weapons.

There were none.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-02-13   10:31:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#28)

" they didn't need a no-knock warrant because of exigent circumstances -- the stolen weapons.

There were none.

Stone, he did not read the article, or he would have known that none existed.

The cops only "claimed" there were, which was a fallacy, because none existed at the targets home.

MW reading comprehension - zilch.

I would still like to have explained how weapons were stolen from the Police Dept, and why someone was trying to lay that crime on this innocent guy?

No one just walks in to a Police Dept and "shop lifts" guns & walks out. If guns were stolen there, it had to be an "inside job", or they disappeared earlier, and were falsely listed on evidence log and never placed in a weapons/evidence locker, which would also indicate an inside job. I would like to see a list of the weapons that were supposedly "stolen" from the PD, and would like to see verification that they had been entered into NCIC. Were there ever actually guns "stolen" from the PD, or were they just a fabrication to justify someone's fantasy excuse to play "Rambo", or to cover up someone else s misdeeds? We will probably never know the truth.

Something really stinks in this story!

Stoner  posted on  2015-02-13   11:04:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Stoner (#32)

I would still like to have explained how weapons were stolen from the Police Dept

If a department and its officers never violate policies and procedures, then it's almost impossible to steal guns from inside a police station. It does happen however, as often times unsworn personnel are allowed in secured areas to clean or maintain building utilities... and have access keys and cards to most places in the building.

Most guns are stolen by idiotic officer actions, however. Like an officer that leaves his gun and gunbelt in his unlocked car, overnight, parked in his driveway... and some thriving little neighborhood scumbag, looking for spare change and smokes... finds it while hitting unlocked cars.

Either way, a stolen or missing department gun is a HUGE BLACK EYE to the department and a monumental amount of tax payer LIABILITY... and police will often times pull out all the stops to rectify a bad situation.

In this case, they made it worse. Now the whole country knows they have missing guns... and a dead officer.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-13   11:20:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: GrandIsland (#35)

" it's almost impossible to steal guns from inside a police station. It does happen however, "

I have never known of it to happen. I contend that in this case, either there never were any guns stolen from the PD, or they were stolen by cops themselves.

Like you said " a stolen or missing department gun is a HUGE BLACK EYE to the department and a monumental amount of tax payer LIABILITY... and police will often times pull out all the stops to rectify a bad situation. " In this case, the PD needs to pull out all the stops and clarify this issue.

Like I said before, something stinks in this story

Stoner  posted on  2015-02-13 12:00:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GrandIsland (#35)

"No one just walks in to a Police Dept and "shop lifts" guns & walks out."

Just like no one intentionally flies airliners into buildings. Sheesh!

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-13 15:08:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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