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Title: Army rules Fort Hood shooting victims eligible for Purple Heart
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Dallas Morning News
URL Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/loca ... -eligible-for-purple-heart.ece
Published: Feb 9, 2015
Author: Aubree Abril
Post Date: 2015-02-09 14:51:44 by redleghunter
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WASHINGTON — The Army announced Friday that it will award the Purple Heart to victims of the 2009 Fort Hood shooting, after years of resistance. Texas lawmakers welcomed news that the shooting spree, which left 13 people dead and more than 30 wounded, would no longer be classified as an act of “workplace violence,” given the shooter proclaimed himself a jihadi. “This has been a long, hard fight. The victims of this attack have struggled, suffered and been abandoned by this administration. No more,” said Rep. John Carter, the Round Rock Republican whose district includes Fort Hood, the nation’s largest military installation. “Today is a day of victory, and I am honored to have fought on their behalf.” The decision, Carter said, would “provide the victims their due benefits” and “finally give closure to the families.” Poster Comment: About time.
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#1. To: GarySpFc, liberator (#0)
Ping
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
Pete if you can ping the "Military/Vets" ping list, much appreciated. I am a ping list subscriber but could not ping the list. Thanks
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
Hasan, who was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan a few weeks later, shouted “Allahu akbar!” meaning “God is great,” before targeting soldiers with a high-powered, high-capacity handgun he had fitted with laser sights. He was apprehended by military police officers after firing more than 200 shots. www.washingtonpost.com/wo...6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html Some firearms would be more useful, but a Purple Heart is better than nothing. Maybe next time the bullets will bounce off of their Purple Hearts?
It would be meaningful, except that American corrupt foreign policy plays a strong majority role which placed them in danger in the first place. They should get a "Corrupt American Foreign Policy Defense" metal. Call it CAFPoD for short.
They'll get more benefits this way which had been denied to them and their families because it was declared "workplace violence". So it makes a big difference to the survivors and families, I think.
This is PC BullBush! None of these people were wounded or killed in combat. They were murdered by a criminal committing a crime. If they want to create some sort of new ribbon/medal for non-combat troops to show they were injured or killed by a criminal act while in uniform,I am ok with that,but not with downgrading a PH to "I wuz a vic-tum!" award.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sure thing. It was a "everybody that subscribed becomes a co-owner back when I owned it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I'm sure it does,but military members that are murdered by a traitor in their own unit shouldn't be getting a Purple Heart. Next thing you know they will be handing them out to clerks and cooks that get hurt in a car accident while driving to work at the base/
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The more they give out... the less special they are.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Exactly! There were designed to honor the military members who willing go into battle and put their lives at risk that get wounded or killed. Now they want to give them out to everybody.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Redleghunter I made you the owner of the Military/Vets Ping list, you can go in and make it to where all subscribers/co-owners are able to use the list.
I agree with your position re watering down awards but the regulations were changed to authorize the Purple Heart, It would seem that being in combat is no longer required. However, it is difficult to see how this was an international terrorist attack against the United States. What other nation state attacked the United States? This was an muslim American citizen and member of the U.S. armed forces. www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134833vol3.pdf Department of Defense Manual 1348.33, Volume 3, November 23, 2010, Incorporating Change 1, October 31, 2013 DoDM 1348.33-V3, November 23, 2010 Pages 22-24. Manual of Military Decorations and Awards: DoD-Wide Performance and Valor Awards; Foreign Awards; Military Awards to Foreign Personnel and U.S. Public Health Service Officers; and Miscellaneous Information b. Award Category. U.S. Military Personal Performance Award. c. Eligibility Requirements 2. In action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the U.S. Armed Forces are or have been engaged. 3. While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. 4. As a result of an act of any such enemy or opposing armed forces. 5. As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force. 6. After March 28, 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack for purposes of award of the Purple Heart by the Secretary of the Military Department concerned, or jointly by the Secretaries of the Military Departments concerned if members from more than one Military Department are wounded in the attack. The Secretary of the Military Department concerned shall notify the USD(P&R) prior to awarding the Purple Heart for an international terrorist attack that occurs in the United States or its territories. 7. After March 28, 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force. 8. A Service member who is killed or wounded in action as the result of action by friendly weapon fire while directly engaged in armed conflict, other than as a result of an act of an enemy of the United States, unless (in the case of a wound) the wound is the result of willful misconduct of the member (in accordance with section 1129 of Reference (f)). 9. Before April 25, 1962, while held as a prisoner of war (or while being taken captive) in the same manner as a former prisoner of war who is wounded on or after that date while held as a prisoner of war (in accordance with section 521 of Public Law (P.L.) 104-106 (Reference (q))). (b) A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment, not merely examination, by a medical officer. Additionally, treatment of the wound shall be documented in the Service member’s medical and/or health record. Award of the PH may be made for wounds treated by a medical professional other than a medical officer provided a medical officer includes a statement in the Service member’s medical record that the extent of the wounds were such that they would have required treatment by a medical officer if one had been available to treat them. (c) After December 7, 1941, to a Service member who is killed or dies while in captivity as a prisoner of war (POW) under circumstances establishing eligibility for the POW medal pursuant to section 1128 of Reference (f), and section 15, Enclosure 3, Volume 2 of this Manual, unless compelling evidence is presented that shows that the member’s death was not the result of enemy action. (d) The PH may be awarded posthumously and, when so directed, may be presented to such representatives of the deceased as the Secretary concerned considers appropriate. (2) Definitions. See Glossary. d. Foreign Military Personnel. The PH may not be awarded to foreign personnel. e. Procedures (2) The statutory time limits pertaining to award of military decorations does not apply to the PH. Award of the PH may be consummated at any time after submission of documented proof that criteria have been met. f. Approval Authority (2) Navy and Marine Corps. See Reference (j). (3) Air Force. See Reference (k). g. Order of Precedence. The PH is worn after the BSM and before the Defense Meritorious Service Medal (DMSM). Section 1127 of Reference (f) requires the Secretary concerned to accord the PH a position of precedence not lower than immediately following the BSM. h. Subsequent Awards (2) Subsequent awards are denoted by wearing the appropriate device on the suspension and service ribbon of the medal. i. Authorized Devices. Refer to the applicable Military Department regulation (References (i), (j), or (k)) for specific guidance on wear of authorized devices. Authorized devices are: (2) 5/16 Inch Star (gold and/or silver). j. Illustration and Description. Refer to Volume 1, Appendix 3 to Enclosure 3, to this Manual.
It wasn't their foreign policy. In fact most of the soldiers were in the medical profession. Some specialized in PTSD.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
The PH was extended to service members wounded and killed at the Pentagon during the 9/11 attacks. Hasan had the same terrorist motivations. I understand your position but the Jihadists brought the war to our soil.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
Now they want to give them out to everybody. Not really. These were soldiers doing their medical SRP prior to deployment. They were unarmed and shot by a self proclaimed Jihadist at war with the USA. Even REMFs in Vietnam got the PH for enemy indirect fire. We shouldn't confuse the PH with a valor award or the CIB for infantrymen. The Purple Heart is awarded to members of the armed forces of the U.S. who are wounded by an instrument of war in the hands of the enemy and posthumously to the next of kin in the name of those who are killed in action or die of wounds received in action. http://www.purpleheart.org/HistoryOrder.aspx You may want to save your energy for what happened in 2002. An Airmen was awarded a Bronze Star for service as a ground crew member at Whiteman AFB in MO. The BSM is reserved for designated combat zones. However it was argued the crew serviced the B2 squadron flying from MO to drop bombs in Afghanistan and later in 2003 in Iraq. Have to check what became of that.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
Thanks and done. All who signed up should be able to ping now.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
Thanks for the research! Could use a few of you at work:)
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
Edit: Duplicate post.
Wow not a biased source at all. Only 2LTs whine on "deserving" awards and worry about who gets what.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
"Can some ribbon racks be over the top, or is more always better?" https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-some- ribbon- racks-be-over-the-top-or-is-more-always-better.
The Army puts unit awards/ribbons on the right chest. This reduces the "Mexican General" effect. Personal awards go over the left chest.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
No "Mexican General" effect here... He was against the movie being made about him in 1941
They should if they were attacked by an enemy combatant, uniformed or not. If they are hit by a terrorist who is targeting them as military members, fine.
Prosecutors did not pursue “Terrorism” or “Act of Terror” because Courts-Martial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) do not currently include such a charge. Nidal Hasan was not tried as an enemy combatant, but instead will be court-martialed. 1
Don't be silly. Hasan's crimes would have been better prosecuted under federal terrorism charges. Much of this is simply the Obola crew refusing to admit they have allowed terrorist attacks to happen on their watch. If they refuse to admit it is terrorism, there is no terrorism on their watch. And the Lefty historians will happily carry water for them.
Lets see Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, Meritorious Service Medal, Commendation Medal, NO Purple Hearts and a whole lot of I was flying AROUND ribbons and personal achievement ribbons.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
The display of awards and decorations has come a long way for this:
My thoughts as well. But better for an Airmen like you to opine on it:)
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
These people were killed or injured by one of their own.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I don't think so. He may have wore the uniform but embraced radical Islam and so a traitor.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
I'm pretty much in agreement with what is written in that link,but would like to add that in some units like Special Forces it is actually harder to get valor awards than in conventional units. Some of this is based on the fact that SF units in combat generally don't have the required number of senior NCO or office witnesses to write up valor awards. Or at least not enough survive to write them. Related to the above is SF does a lot of covert action missions,and you damn sure can't get a valor award for your actions on a mission that "never happened". For example,Bob Howard got put in for a MoH on 3 separate occasions in a 12 month period,and only got the MoH for the 3rd one. The first two got kicked back to Distinguised Service Crosses. And even that one was written up as a lie in order to get it for him. It was written up as the Hatchet Force platoon he was with was in combat in support of a conventional unit in VN,and the truth is they were on a hilltop in Laos. Since we "weren't in Laos",there was no way in hell he or any other SOG member was going to get a MoH unless the action was disguised at being in support of another US unit in combat in VN that same day. There is also the jealousy factor. For "big medals" like Silver Stars and above,the award recommendations generally go through formal review by non-SF Generals,and the general feeling by them was/is that "SF gets too damn many medals!". They also hate SF because SF is seen by some people as being "better" than "regular soldiers",and regular soldiers resent that. This even happens within SF units,since personal clerks are attached to SF units,but are not SF qualified. There was a personnel clerk at 5th SFG Headquarters in the late 60's that admitted years later that he personally threw away hundreds of valor award recommendations instead of forwarding them to be signed because he knew he would never get one himself,and was jealous.In a normal unit where the troops aren't so spread out and the causality rate isn't so high,this would have been noticed,but the 5th had teams from one end of VN to the other,and from the sea to the Cambodian and Laotian border. If you count SOG teams,even into Laos,Cambodia,and North VN. Small teams of a dozen or less,and people are getting shot up and medivaced all the time,or just getting rotated out and replaced after serving their tours. You write somebody up today for an award,and 2 months later you are no longer in VN OR the 5th SFG to check on the status of the award,so you just assume it was processed and approved because if it had been kicked back for questions you would have heard about that. Even if you were both career SF soldiers you might go 2 or 3 years in other duty assignments without ever seeing each other. Not to mention the fact that senior Army brass hate SF because SF doesn't come under their commands,and they can't order any SF team that may be in their area to run recon missions for them,or steal the SF team members to make into line company platoon sgts. They have a "Big Army" state of mind and will always think that way. I am guessing that the USMC has the same problem with their valor awards since they have to ran past Navy officers who never see combat and never have a chance to win those awards themselves.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Maybe,but that doesn't mean that 0-2's and 0-3's don't get screwed in the process because they didn't play the army "political game" right. And let's be honest with this while we are at it. Who in the US Army or the USMC puts their asses further out on the line with less experience than a 0-1? They exist to lead platoons into combat,and they generally don't have any more experience than most of the men they are leading,and usually far less than their NCO's.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Please correct me if I am wrong,but aren't some unit awards also considered as personal awards,and can/should also be worn on the left if you were a member of that unit and participated in the action the award was given for?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Maybe next time the bullets will bounce off of their Purple Hearts? HA! But...don't these Purple Heart automatically mean the ridiculous meme "workplace violence" no longer works? And also, doesn't it also make Major Nadal Hassan the enemy/traitor at a venue that must now be considered "died/wounded in action"? And WHY hasn't Hassan been hung/fried yet?
For that they ought get a medal so big that it must be towed in a traler ;-)
I just got one in the supermarket checkout along with my M&Ms.
THAT was important. Especially if giving them all a medal was the only way to do it... 0dingleberry and his cabal (including the media) are doing all they can to shield Islam from criticism, enable the Caliphate, and destroy America and the "Christian" West. The return to England of the Churcill bust by the Kenyan makes total sense now. Winston Churchill, "The River War: An Account of the Reconquest of Sudan", Churchill wrote on pages 248-250: "Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
Interesting...thanks.
The AR-670-1 during my service (since 1986) has all unit valor/service awards on the right chest under the regimental crest. If a Soldier serves in a unit at the time of awarding a unit citation award, then that Soldier can wear, on his right chest that award for the remainder of his/her career. Whenever a Soldier is assigned to a unit with a citation award he/she wears the unit award. Once they leave, they are not authorized to wear the award. Only the service ribbons, and valor/service/achievement awards the Soldier are awarded on orders go on the left chest along with qualification badges like the Airborne wings etc. Case in point. During the Gulf War my Brigade was TACON to the 2nd Marine Division in Kuwait. After the cease fire the USMC/USN awarded the unit the Navy Unit Commendation (NUC). The Marines put that ribbon on the left side with their personal awards and the Army guys put it on the right side. It was a unit award. After a few tours at other posts I stopped wearing the NUC. Too many COLs and CSMs kept asking me what award I was wearing and if I was authorized to wear it. It got kind of old carrying around a paper copy of the orders in my Class A jacket:)
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
There's a stragetic mind.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
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#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
#3. To: redleghunter (#0)
Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, was found guilty this month on 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder after opening fire Nov. 5, 2009, at Fort Hood’s Soldier Readiness Processing Center, where troops were getting medical checkups before deploying to Afghanistan.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: redleghunter (#0)
#5. To: hondo68 (#3)
Some firearms would be more useful, but a Purple Heart is better than nothing.
#6. To: redleghunter (#0)
#7. To: redleghunter, *Military or Vets Affairs* (#2)
Pete if you can ping the "Military/Vets" ping list, much appreciated.
#8. To: TooConservative (#5)
So it makes a big difference to the survivors and families, I think.
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
Next thing you know they will be handing them out to clerks and cooks that get hurt in a car accident while driving to work at the base
#10. To: GrandIsland (#9)
The more they give out... the less special they are.
#11. To: redleghunter, sneakypete, GarySpFc (#2)
#12. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, TooConservative, GrandIsland (#6)
This is PC BullBush! None of these people were wounded or killed in combat. They were murdered by a criminal committing a crime.
After March 28, 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack for purposes of award of the Purple Heart by the Secretary of the Military Department concerned, or jointly by the Secretaries of the Military Departments concerned if members from more than one Military Department are wounded in the attack. The Secretary of the Military Department concerned shall notify the USD(P&R) prior to awarding the Purple Heart for an international terrorist attack that occurs in the United States or its territories.
Change 1, 10/31/2013 5. PURPLE HEART (PH)
a. Introduction. The PH is governed by E.O. 11016 (Reference (p)), which authorized the Secretary of a Military Department to award the PH to any member of an armed force under the jurisdiction of that department who meets eligibility requirements. After May 17, 1998, award of the PH was limited to members of the Armed Forces by Section 1131 of Reference (f). The PH differs from other personal performance awards in that an individual is eligible for the decoration upon the awarding authority determining that the specified award criteria have been met.
(1) Eligibility Criteria
(a) In accordance with Reference (p) the PH is awarded to any member of the U.S. Armed Forces who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Forces, after April 5, 1917, has been wounded, killed, or who has died or may hereafter die of wounds received under any of the following circumstances:
1. In action against an enemy of the United States.
(1) Each Military Department shall prescribe appropriate regulations for administrative processing, awarding, and wearing of the PH medal, ribbon, and appurtenances.
(1) Army. See Reference (i).
(1) Individuals are only presented a PH upon initial award.
(1) Oak-Leaf Cluster (bronze and/or silver).
#13. To: Pinguinite (#4)
#14. To: sneakypete (#6)
#15. To: sneakypete (#10)
Exactly! There were designed to honor the military members who willing go into battle and put their lives at risk that get wounded or killed.
#16. To: Devil Anse, sneakypete, GarySpFc (#11)
#17. To: nolu chan (#12)
#18. To: sneakypete (#8)
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#19. To: sneakypete (#8)
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#20. To: Gatlin (#18)
How did I achieve least-decorated status in spite of being a West Point graduate, airborne, Ranger who volunteered for Vietnam? Easy. I did not suck up to my superiors.
#21. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#20)
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#22. To: Gatlin (#21)
#23. To: redleghunter (#22)
(Edited)
This reduces the "Mexican General" effect.
but needed the funds to start a Bible School. Admirable!!!
#24. To: sneakypete (#8)
I'm sure it does,but military members that are murdered by a traitor in their own unit shouldn't be getting a Purple Heart.
Next thing you know they will be handing them out to clerks and cooks that get hurt in a car accident while driving to work at the base/
#25. To: TooConservative (#24)
#26. To: Gatlin (#25)
Prosecutors did not pursue “Terrorism” or “Act of Terror” because Courts-Martial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) do not currently include such a charge. Nidal Hasan was not tried as an enemy combatant, but instead will be court-martialed.
#27. To: Gatlin, redleghunter (#21)
#28. To: CZ82 (#27)
Through this:
To this:
#29. To: CZ82 (#27)
Lets see Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, Meritorious Service Medal, Commendation Medal, NO Purple Hearts and a whole lot of I was flying AROUND ribbons and personal achievement ribbons.
#30. To: redleghunter (#15)
Even REMFs in Vietnam got the PH for enemy indirect fire.
#31. To: sneakypete (#30)
These people were killed or injured by one of their own.
#32. To: Gatlin (#18)
Did U.S. military personnel really earn all their medals? .
#33. To: redleghunter (#20)
Only 2LTs whine on "deserving" awards and worry about who gets what.
#34. To: redleghunter (#22)
The Army puts unit awards/ribbons on the right chest. This reduces the "Mexican General" effect. Personal awards go over the left chest.
#35. To: hondo68, redleghunter, sneakypete (#3)
(Edited)
Some firearms would be more useful, but a Purple Heart is better than nothing.
#36. To: Pinguinite (#4)
American corrupt foreign policy plays a strong majority role which placed them in danger in the first place.
#37. To: sneakypete (#10)
Now they want to give them out to everybody.
#38. To: redleghunter (#0)
(Edited)
The decision, Carter said, would “provide the victims their due benefits” and “finally give closure to the families.”
#39. To: sneakypete (#32)
#40. To: sneakypete (#34)
Please correct me if I am wrong,but aren't some unit awards also considered as personal awards,and can/should also be worn on the left if you were a member of that unit and participated in the action the award was given for?
#41. To: Liberator (#38)
"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
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