United States News
See other United States News Articles
Title: Army rules Fort Hood shooting victims eligible for Purple Heart
Source:
Dallas Morning News
URL Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/loca ... -eligible-for-purple-heart.ece
Published: Feb 9, 2015
Author: Aubree Abril
Post Date: 2015-02-09 14:51:44 by redleghunter
Keywords: None
Views: 38726
Comments: 101
WASHINGTON — The Army announced Friday that it will award the Purple Heart to victims of the 2009 Fort Hood shooting, after years of resistance. Texas lawmakers welcomed news that the shooting spree, which left 13 people dead and more than 30 wounded, would no longer be classified as an act of “workplace violence,” given the shooter proclaimed himself a jihadi. “This has been a long, hard fight. The victims of this attack have struggled, suffered and been abandoned by this administration. No more,” said Rep. John Carter, the Round Rock Republican whose district includes Fort Hood, the nation’s largest military installation. “Today is a day of victory, and I am honored to have fought on their behalf.” The decision, Carter said, would “provide the victims their due benefits” and “finally give closure to the families.” Poster Comment: About time.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Comments (1-60) not displayed.
.
.
.
#61. To: sneakypete (#60)
Allies awarding medals to units and groups of Soldiers is nothing new.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
I understand this. I have a couple of my own. I don't have any Saudi Arabia Defense Medals though,and if I were still in uniform and were given one,I think I MIGHT prefer a court-martial over wearing it. IMHO,it's something to be ashamed of,not proud about. It's one of the prime reasons I have such a burning hatred for the Bush Crime Family. The Sauds pimped them out and as a result American lives and health were lost defending our and the world's enemies.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
When I was in (79-99) and wearing fatigues you wore Name, Branch, Rank, Unit Patch, Command Patch and any badges you may have earned. Whenever you had to dress in blues you wore Name, Rank, US insignia, your "ribbon rack" and any badges you may have earned, from the looks of the CMSgt picture that hasn't changed.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You must mean combat patch. What if you earned more than one, like so many troops have in the past decade?
I was authorized to wear 4. You usually wear your most recent one. When the Army combat uniform (ACU) was updated in 2005 it had velcro patches. So you could interchange them if you wanted:)
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
You must mean combat patch. What if you earned more than one, like so many troops have in the past decade? Command patch designated if you were in something like Military Airlift Command (MAC), Strategic Air Command (SAC), Space Command so forth and so on. We didn't have a combat patch for our fatigues. But for blues you got a ribbon to designate you had been in some such place like Vietnam, Korea, Southwest Asia, WW2, or something like that. From what I've seen now they do have a ribbon for Combat called "Air Force Combat Action Military Ribbon".
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
When I was in the army in the 60's "ribbon racks" were only required for formal ceremonies and reporting in to a new unit. As you know,your ribbons tell everyone your career history at a glance. It was optional for traveling or casual wear like company formations. It was customary for people in fatigues to have all their badges like jump wings,CIB,etc,etc,etc sewn on,but not mandatory. I know this for a fact because I refused to pay to have jump wings and a CIB sewn on my fatigues and jackets after coming back from VN because I only had a little better than 6 months to go in the army,and I wasn't willing to spend the money. Nobody at Bragg was impressed with that stuff anyhow. You stood out if you didn't have any of it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I had three. In the case of multiples,it was customary to wear the one that YOU felt was most significant. I never did get used to seeing guys wearing a SF patch or 82nd Abn Div patch on each sleeve,though.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Good for them! I always felt sorry for the poor Air Commandoes that put so much on the line so often,and were almost like military redheaded stepchildren because almost nobody even knew they existed,and they looked just like regular AF desk jockey's most of the time. Not sure when they became authorized to wear a blue beret.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
This is a history of the Beret for "ALL" US Forces. http://www.alaska.net/~jcassidy/pdf_files/U.S.%20Armed%20Forces%20Beret% 20History.pdf
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
For doing what if you don't mind me asking?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
It was an impact award. I was the MNC-I lead on coordinating Joint assets lethal/non-lethal for a 'pinned down' SF advisory team and the downed Apache aircraft which went to support them. The rest is need to know:) But there was some press of the event: BACKGROUND: Millenarians in Najaf hoped to kill Sistani et al. to prepare return of the Mahdi It was late January 2007. The Corps ALO (EASOG commander) appreciated my efforts for recommending retasking of CFACC assets to support what we called "The Mother of all TICs" (troops in contact). His JOC ALO team was a little green around the gills to stomp on who needed to be stomped on:). I also drafted a position paper later that Spring arguing the need for USN CSG air support for the surge. The requirement needed to come from the Army and needed GEN Petreaus' signature. After the memo was signed I traveled with the ALO and my COL boss to the CAOC to deliver the memo to the CFACC commander. At least the above was alluded to in the citation write up. As you know the AFAM is a service/achievement award. No heroism/valor involved. Just doing my job and he recognized me for it. After almost 12 years of my service joined at the hip with ALOs and JTACs, it was nice to have something to remember my brothers in Blue.
"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb." (Psalm 139:13)
Yea but you being an officer I would have put you in for something with a little more teeth than an Achievement Medal.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I have a vague recollection of something that happened during the Grenada incursion/excursion when Reagan was president. Some of the US troops developed heat injuries during the action. They were eventually awarded purple hearts, if my memory is correct. Look it up.
Some of the US troops developed heat injuries during the action. They were eventually awarded purple hearts, if my memory is correct. Look it up. If any run for office as Dems, their Republican opponent will claim that those injuries were not deserving of purple hearts.
Not to worry. Most who get into politics on either side of the aisle don't serve in the military.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
They weren't and aren't.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Military service these days is for the poor and the suckers.
And one of the few occupations that offer retirement.
Very few poor. The services do recruit in poorer neighborhoods but also middle class. Hard to get a rich kid to enlist. Been like that since Sam Adams time. However, given the drawdown, the services can be more selective. As retired Army officer I am now a gray beard instuctor for units ready to deploy. Your comments are not accurate. The Army is getting some very good people of good character in these days. Again, do to them being selective. It is no longer 2004-2008 where a pulse got you in.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
That is going away too. The proposal is to offer 401Ks. This way it is portable if the soldier decides not to re-enlist. Suckers no:) In such a draw down of forces they can be more selective. We are getting good troops coming in.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Some of the US troops developed heat injuries during the action. They were eventually awarded purple hearts, if my memory is correct. I think that heatstroke victim you recall may have been in Panama. But Grenada earned 10,000 awards. Paratrooper With Heat Stroke Gets Top Medal August 26, 1990|By DAVID H. HACKWORTH At a bedside ceremony in Texas, the Army chief of staff awarded the Purple Heart medal to hospitalized Pfc. Grant Gipe, a casualty in Operation Just Cause in Panama last December. Paratrooper Gipe was not wounded as he bravely jumped into a night sky crisscrossed with enemy shot and shell. He was not hit while storming an objective. Nor was he felled by a bullet or ripped open by a bayonet in hand-to-hand combat with a Panamanian defender. Rather, Gipe was knocked out of the fight by the blistering sun on the Rio Hato drop zone. The good medics tagged him as a "heat stroke" casualty and sent the 82d Airborne Division trooper to Brooke Army Hospital in San Antonio, where he was awarded the Purple Heart for "heat exhaustion" by Gen. Carl Vuono. Soldiers had trouble with that "old devil sun" for thousands of years before Kipling's "Gunga Din" became a barracks refrain. Countless warriors and many a victory have been lost to heat exhaustion as soldiers bellied up from too much sun, an empty canteen and slack discipline. But in days past, no one got a medal for heat exhaustion, and some heat-struck casualties were even shot by angry commanders who felt they had failed their duty. To award the Purple Heart medal for heat exhaustion is an insult to every living and dead Purple Heart holder. In conflicts past, a soldier had to bleed to get it. Its wearer had had a bullet, fragment or missile rip through his tender body dispatched by an enemy who wanted him permanently out of the way. American warriors considered it and the Medal of Honor the nation's last respected and still sacred military decorations, the only medals that had not been exploited by the glory hunters or diminished by the bureaucrats. Now the Purple Heart too has been corrupted: It has been awarded for a reason other than wounds received as a result of enemy action. My quarrel is not with Gipe, who made a dangerous low-level combat jump into the darkness and later valiantly assisted two other soldiers to the aid station. It's with the bureaucrats in uniform who since the war in Vietnam have been responsible for the debasement of a once-proud and meaningful Army awards and decoration system. The charade has left our soldier's chests so bedecked with fruit salad that the practice is lampooned by professional soldiers around the globe. With Vuono's action, the Army's long-battered, bruised and grossly inflated awards system has sunk to a new low. This took some doing. In Vietnam, literally millions of awards were mechanically churned out. Line colonels and generals routinely got award packages for simply doing their job - normally a Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Distinguished Flying Cross or Bronze Star. A 1st Cavalry Division general was awarded a Silver Star while on R & R. Gen. Alexander Haig won a Distinguished Flying Cross by identifying a Viet Cong unit while flying in his helicopter. Grenada was just as bad: 7,000 American invaders faced a few hundred militia men in a few days of sputtering combat - and almost 10,000 awards were issued. Yet despite these disgraceful examples, the Purple Heart medal stood proud. It was a direct descendant of America's oldest military decoration, the Badge for Military Merit, established by George Washington in 1782. It remained unblemished and untainted by inflation, corruption or manipulation because the rule was that blood had to flow, and combat medics - one of the noblest and bravest bands of warriors - had to sign off on these awards. They could not be bought or compromised. Until Gipe got his medal, the Purple Heart was the ultimate badge of courage and honor, a badge worn proudly by 731,000 living Americans - many of whom gathered recently at the annual meeting of the Military Order of the Purple Heart meeting in Novi, Mich. The medal also served to identify the fakers. A chest full of medals without the Purple Heart gave cause to wonder if the hero who looked like a cross between a Russian general and a Christmas tree had ever been on or near a killing field or was simply a supply ace sporting his having-been-there trophies. Now the sun in Panama and a sham in Texas have changed all that. Not only did Gipe become a casualty of the invasion of Panama, but so did the U.S. Army's award program. * David H. Hackworth is a retired Army colonel who earned eight Purple Hearts in Korea and Vietnam.
Wow have not seen Hack's name in some time. Loved his book About Face. I guess he passed on about 10 years now?
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
You got that right. BTW Hackworth is one of 6 people who have 8 Purple Hearts.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Or if they did they were REMFs pretending to be more than what they actually were.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Clearly communist theorists like you are too evolved and too intellectually important to be getting involved in stuff best left for the lower classes,right?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Like JFK,LBJ,and John Kerry. JFK's father tried to get a Medal of Honor for him for allowing his drifting PT boat to be ran down by a Japanese destroyer,Congressman and military staff officer LBJ put himself in for and got a Silver Star for being a passenger on a C-47 that was strafed by a Zero fighter plane before it was shot down by their escort,and we all know about Big Jaw John and his fake Silver Star and 3 PH's that he put himself in for during the VN war.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Hack may be one of 1 who had 10 Silver Stars.
Like Gore?
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
I suspect your opinion is too general and was made "off the cuff." Bradley Manning: And also Nidal Hasan: Well, I guess you can say they were "suckers."
Too poor to afford college - which is why many join - for work training and college money via the GI Bill as well as to get a job after high school since very few jobs exist that can support someone right out of high school. Back when there were shop jobs in America you could be out of high school and earn a living wage.
Clearly communist theorists like you are too evolved and too intellectually important to be getting involved in stuff best left for the lower classes,right? I have no idea what your point is since I am not a commie.
The suckers are those that join out of some notion of patriotism. The examples of the two above are for people that were so bad at their job only the army offered employment opportunities - so I would add the incompetent to the suckers and the poor.
Oh! Those liars, cheats and thieves are brought up again. Contemporary, US expeditionary forces used in global wars are lead and followed into combat or support units by mercenaries; these folks are not about "patriotism" with rare exception.
I have to say, the majority of Americans are "too poor" to afford college. Sure a middle income household can flip the bill out of pocket for community college; can handle some with a student loan for an in state university. College is way over priced. The only reason you don't hear much about it is because liberal academia thinks they are worth the high salaries. You hardly ever hear that professors and university officers should take a pay cut or reduce their overall bottom line. If I did not have a scholarship to pay for college I would have enlisted for a few years as well. My scholarship covered some books and supplies but not all. Even with a part time job that money hardly covered those incidentals. That's another sham, all those over priced books. Glad to see most universities going to ebooks. You save a few bucks there.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Back in the day some joined to kill commies. Now the commies are running the joint.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
Didn't he have a bodyguard for himself and his typewriter?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
That guy is "colorful" to say the least. :) We could use more like him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Like Gore? So what would you Navy guys call someone like Gore? An "Admirals Mate" or "Someone with too much draft".
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
LOL who knows. I'm sure daddy kept tabs on him as did all the other "Senator's sons." {cue in Creedance Clear Water Revival tune, now...}
"For holy Scripture establishes a rule to our teaching, that we dare not “be wiser than we ought;” but be wise, as he himself says, “unto soberness, according as unto each God hath allotted the measure of faith." (Augustine of Hippo (354–430)
The Navy does not have a real rear echelon as it does not engage in a lot of land-based fighting. The main battery of the carriers is their aircraft. Smaller ships now have missiles. There is not a lot of ship to ship combat anymore. SEALs are like a separate Navy altogether. The same may be said for sub sailors and SeaBees. In the regular Navy on ships, there is no equivalent rear echelon to that of the Army. One might say the Navy is the rear echelon of the Marines. I suppose the rear echelon of the surface fleet is the aircraft carrier with a flag admiral aboard. It stays within a convoy of ships protecting it on the surface and subs protecting it below. Its aircraft protect the skies above. The destroyers (tin cans) are sort of the front line. Probably those regular Navy (excluding SEALs and such) who see the most land combat would strangely be the non-combatant Hospital Corpsman. They accompany the Marines who have no medical corps of their own. For land fighting, the Navy has a subsidiary called the Marines for that. They may view the Navy as their unmilitary taxi service. The Marines did not like to be told they were part of the Navy, but there is no Secretary of the Marines. Other than their official attachment, the Navy and Marines are just different worlds. The Marines called us squids and we called them grunts, jarheads or seafaring bellhops (referring the the dress pants with the red stripes). The Coasties and some Navy ship-based sailors were shallow water sailors, as opposed to blue water sailors. A submarine tender would be homeported overseas and sit there most of the time. If in the Med, it might not leave the Med for years. It stays tied up to the pier as it requires a stable environment to work on things like nuclear torpedoes, not that anyone acknowledges nuclear anything, anywhere in the neighborhood. There is a Navy distinction between ship-based and land-based sailors, or sand crabs (me). There are many Navy overseas shore locations which count as sea time for sea/shore rotation purposes. Some, with more support facilities, count as shore time. I knew one guy who did a 20 year career at one overseas base. He just went back and forth from the shore base to a sub tender tied up to the pier to alternate sea and shore duty. On ships, a sharp distinction is between the ships crew and a flag officer's staff, and air squadrons on carriers. The staff and squadrons are not part of the ship's crew. Also, derogatory terms are had for admin types such as Yeomen or Personnelmen who may be referred to as titless WAVES. And sub sailors call surface ships skimmers. For real military politics, try a NATO HQ. An O-5 might be a glorified butler for an admiral. I really didn't know much about Gore's service I had to check online to see what you were asking about. It seems he was a Harvard grad who chose to enlist and go the Nam as an enlisted man. It may have been to punch his ticket and help his father's political chances, but he could have entered as an officer if he chose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore --- Of his time in the Army, Gore later stated, "I didn't do the most, or run the gravest danger. But I was proud to wear my country's uniform." He also later stated that his experience in Vietnam "didn't change my conclusions about the war being a terrible mistake, but it struck me that opponents to the war, including myself, really did not take into account the fact that there were an awful lot of South Vietnamese who desperately wanted to hang on to what they called freedom. However, he appears to have puffed up his five months in Vietnam as something more than journalist duty. I see his only military award being the National Defense Service Medal. That was given to people coming out of boot camp. We referred to the ribbon as the Geedunk Ribbon, indicating being first in line at the geedunk three days in a row. In my 20 years, I never got sent west of Chicago, but I have never claimed to have been in combat or been subjected to enemy fire. I guess I'd just call Gore a rich kid politician. In the Navy, he might have been a titless WAVE. There's no real REMF equivalent. His puffery seems relatively minor compared to some. The article below is critical of Gore's service claims. http://www.rightgrrl.com/carolyn/goreserve.html Did Al Gore Serve in Vietnam?
#62. To: redleghunter (#61)
Allies awarding medals to units and groups of Soldiers is nothing new.
#63. To: sneakypete (#58)
BTW,I got the impression that these days it is pretty much mandatory to wear all your ribbons any time you are wearing your dress uniform.
#64. To: CZ82 (#63)
Command Patch
#65. To: Fred Mertz, CZ82 (#64)
You must mean combat patch. What if you earned more than one, like so many troops have in the past decade?
#66. To: Fred Mertz (#64)
Command Patch
#67. To: CZ82 (#63)
Whenever you had to dress in blues you wore Name, Rank, US insignia, your "ribbon rack" and any badges you may have earned, from the looks of the CMSgt picture that hasn't changed.
#68. To: Fred Mertz (#64)
(Edited)
You must mean combat patch. What if you earned more than one, like so many troops have in the past decade?
#69. To: CZ82 (#66)
From what I've seen now they do have a ribbon for Combat called "Air Force Combat Action Military Ribbon".
#70. To: sneakypete (#69)
Not sure when they became authorized to wear a blue beret.
#71. To: redleghunter (#56)
The Corps ALO/EASOG commander pinned an AFAM on me.
#72. To: CZ82, GarySpFc (#71)
For doing what if you don't mind me asking?
#73. To: redleghunter (#72)
#74. To: redleghunter, CZ82, sneakypete (#72)
#75. To: Fred Mertz, redleghunter, CZ82, sneakypete (#74)
I have a vague recollection of something that happened during the Grenada incursion/excursion when Reagan was president.
#76. To: Pericles (#75)
If any run for office as Dems, their Republican opponent will claim that those injuries were not deserving of purple hearts.
#77. To: Pericles (#75)
If any run for office as Dems, their Republican opponent will claim that those injuries were not deserving of purple hearts.
#78. To: sneakypete (#77)
#79. To: Pericles (#78)
Military service these days is for the poor and the suckers.
#80. To: Pericles (#78)
Military service these days is for the poor and the suckers.
#81. To: A K A Stone, GarySpFc (#79)
And one of the few occupations that offer retirement.
#82. To: Fred Mertz, redleghunter, CZ82, sneakypete (#74)
I have a vague recollection of something that happened during the Grenada incursion/excursion when Reagan was president.
Recent Award Insults Purple Heart Holders
#83. To: nolu chan (#82)
#84. To: nolu chan (#82)
It's with the bureaucrats in uniform who since the war in Vietnam have been responsible for the debasement of a once-proud and meaningful Army awards and decoration system. The charade has left our soldier's chests so bedecked with fruit salad that the practice is lampooned by professional soldiers around the globe. With Vuono's action, the Army's long-battered, bruised and grossly inflated awards system has sunk to a new low.
#85. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#76)
Not to worry. Most who get into politics on either side of the aisle don't serve in the military.
#86. To: Pericles (#78)
Military service these days is for the poor and the suckers.
#87. To: CZ82 (#85)
Or if they did they were REMFs pretending to be more than what they actually were.
#88. To: CZ82 (#84)
BTW Hackworth is one of 6 people who have 8 Purple Hearts.
#89. To: CZ82 (#85)
Or if they did they were REMFs
#90. To: Pericles (#78)
Military service these days is for the poor and the suckers.
#91. To: redleghunter (#80)
Very few poor. The services do recruit in poorer neighborhoods but also middle class. Hard to get a rich kid to enlist. Been like that since Sam Adams time.
#92. To: sneakypete (#86)
Military service these days is for the poor and the suckers.
#93. To: Pridie.Nones (#90)
Well, I guess you can say they were "suckers."
#94. To: Pericles (#93)
The suckers are those that join out of some notion of patriotism.
#95. To: Pericles (#91)
Too poor to afford college - which is why many join - for work training and college money via the GI Bill as well as to get a job after high school since very few jobs exist that can support someone right out of high school. Back when there were shop jobs in America you could be out of high school and earn a living wage.
#96. To: Pridie.Nones (#94)
(Edited)
#97. To: redleghunter (#89)
#98. To: nolu chan (#88)
Hack may be one of 1 who had 10 Silver Stars.
#99. To: nolu chan, redleghunter (#89)
(Edited)
Or if they did they were REMFs
#100. To: CZ82 (#97)
#101. To: CZ82, redleghunter (#99)
So what would you Navy guys call someone like Gore?
Gore has said that his other reason for enlisting was that he did not want someone with fewer options than he to go in his place. Actor Tommy Lee Jones, a former college housemate, recalled Gore saying that "if he found a fancy way of not going, someone else would have to go in his place." His Harvard advisor, Richard Neustadt, also stated that Gore decided, "that he would have to go as an enlisted man because, he said, 'In Tennessee, that's what most people have to do.'"
By Carolyn Gargaro
Rightgrrl Co-Founder
August 10, 1999
Updated October 9, 2000
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
[Home] [Headlines] [Latest Articles] [Latest Comments] [Post] [Mail] [Sign-in] [Setup] [Help] [Register]