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Source: [None] URL Source: http://joeforamerica.com/2014/11/we ... tistics-will-make-really-mad/# Published: Feb 9, 2015 Author: Joe for America Post Date: 2015-02-09 14:03:33 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 6674 Comments: 15 Having trouble just making ends meet because of taxes that go to people who don’t work? Check your State and see how you’d do not working at all! [BELOW] Hit that share button and Tweet or send an email link to every working man and woman you know. Read more at http://joeforamerica.com/2014/11/welfare-payout-statistics-will- make-really-mad/ Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: A K A Stone (#0) Maine is number 43, BobCeleste  posted on  2015-02-09   14:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: A K A Stone (#0) Move to Hawaii and the government will give you 60 grand for not working There are always at least two sides to every story......... authority.scientopia.org/2013/08/21/no-cato-welfare- doesnt-pay-more-than-minimum-wage/ "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-02-09   14:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Jameson (#2) There are always at least two sides to every story......... Here, I fixed your link for you: No, Cato, Welfare Doesn't Pay More Than Minimum Wage "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka." Willie Green  posted on  2015-02-09   16:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Willie Green (#3) (Edited) Regardless how the figures are crunched, Mr. Green, the fact remains that it takes several working people to fund one welfare slob. If you haven't noticed, we are running out of enough people to keep funding your kind of kindness. When there are too many on welfare, Xbox, unemployment or disability, to be funded by the remaining work force, what do you suggest we do? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-09   16:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Willie Green (#3) Here, I fixed your link for you: Yeah, thanks - I appreciate it. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-02-09   16:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: GrandIsland (#4) ...what do you suggest we do? Get a job and become a tax paying citizen again, rather than a leech. Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-09   16:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: GrandIsland (#4) (Edited) what do you suggest we do? Your premise is flawed. There is plenty of money that can be used to fund our social safety net. However, to answer your question: ...what we should do - is elect representatives who will re-write the tax-code to favor AMERICAN job creation. Our current tax code has done just the opposite. The creation of an additional 500,000 good middle-class jobs per month for a couple of years would solve virtually all of the real problems our society is facing. This is my opinion. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-02-09   16:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: A K A Stone (#0) White Paper The Work versus Welfare Trade-Off: 2013 By Michael D. Tanner and Charles Hughes August 19, 2013 The full White Paper by the Cato Institute is available in pdf, epub, and mobi formats at: http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/work-versus-welfare-trade The PDF download (52 pp, 4.38MB) is at: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-09   16:48:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: GrandIsland (#4) what do you suggest we do? Instead of taxing the workers, tax the employers... SCOTUS has ruled that corporations are people too, you know. So make them pay the same taxes that people have to pay. Especially the ones that launder their money in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes. Tax the bankers, insurance companies, oil companies and big pharmaceuticals... they can afford it. "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka." Willie Green  posted on  2015-02-09   16:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Fred Mertz (#6) Get a job and become a tax paying citizen again, rather than a leech. Interesting. How will you force the sheeple to work? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-09   16:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Jameson (#7) The creation of an additional 500,000 good middle-class jobs per month for a couple of years would solve virtually all Your plan is awesome... if you can make the above happen. government jobs? Private sector? How will you create 6 million middle class jobs a year? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-09   17:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Willie Green (#9) Instead of taxing the workers, tax the employers... SCOTUS has ruled that corporations are people too, you know. So make them pay the same taxes that people have to pay. Especially the ones that launder their money in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes. Tax the bankers, insurance companies, oil companies and big phar You think this idea is conducive to a capitalistic society? lol So... basically, tax the dog shit out of anything doing well, financially... to offset what those that are doing bad, financially? Why not just claim we should be a socialist country? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-09   17:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: nolu chan (#8) Maybe you could put up all the documents you need to get welfare in Hawaii. The we could put together a packet. For anyone who wants to retire to Hawaii. They just need to pay us a fee and we will but them the plane ticket and a packet of every form already filled out. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-02-09   17:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Willie Green, Jameson (#3) White Paper The Work versus Welfare Trade-Off: 2013 By Michael D. Tanner and Charles Hughes August 19, 2013 The full White Paper by the Cato Institute is available in pdf, epub, and mobi formats at: http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/work-versus-welfare-trade The PDF download is at: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf I note that the Mike Dunford article at scientopia refers to taking a job at "minimum wage" and the Cato Institute article refers to taking a job "paying slightly less than welfare." I'm not sure what the precise difference is but logic suggests that unless welfare pays more than minimum wage, a job paying slightly less than welfare would, necessarily, pay less than minimum wage. http://authority.scientopia.org/2013/08/21/no-cato-welfare-doesnt-pay-more-than-minimum-wage/ The truth of the matter, of course, is that even a minimum wage job is likely to leave a family better off than no job at all. This is true in part because many assistance programs do not automatically cut off the moment that you start to work. The programs have income-based eligibility requirements, and many people who work minimum wage jobs will continue to qualify for these programs. This does not show up in the Cato report, because the Cato report did not bother to include continued eligibility for benefits when they compared "welfare" with a minimum wage job. http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf From the Cato Report at page 2: Because of increases in the Earned In­come Tax Credit (EITC) and the cre­ation of the Child Tax Credit (CTC), as well as the adoption of state-level equiv­alents of the EITC, it is possible for an individual leaving welfare to take a job paying slightly less than welfare without a loss of income in 39 states. However, that difference is small and not likely to offset the value of leisure. At scientopia, commenter Andy noted: You're also ignoring the fact that many people on welfare also work part time jobs, attempting to stay under a certain income in order to receive benefits. They're also getting paid for literally doing nothing, while (as Daniel mentioned) working families have additional costs. Not just daycare, but transportation and food as well. Then take into account many others on welfare who work off the books, or do side jobs such as computer repair/auto repair/scrap collecting etc. And there's even more who sell drugs and services for money. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/hhs-report-percentage-americans-welfare-hits-recorded-high HHS Report: Percentage of Americans on Welfare Hits Recorded High July 8, 2014 - 11:19 AM By Terence P. Jeffrey (CNSNews.com) - According to the 2014 version of a report that the Department of Health and Human Services is required by law to issue annually, the percentage of Americans on welfare in 2011 was the highest yet calculated. The data for 2011 is the most recent in the report. [snip] http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/14/indicators/rpt_indicators.pdf Welfare Indicators and Risk Factors, 30th Annual Report to Congress, 2014 (PDF-165 Pages) U.S. Department of Health and Human Services nolu chan  posted on  2015-02-09   17:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: GrandIsland (#11) How will you create 6 million middle class jobs a year? 1. Tax reform - Tax incentives for the owners (stockholders) of US businesses that have created new jobs. Tax penalties for owners/stockholders of companies that have moved jobs off-shore. 2. Reform trade policies to favor job creation in the US. 3. New and higher tariffs on imported goods. 4. Jump start the process by committing the necessary resources to rebuild US infrastructure. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. Jameson  posted on  2015-02-10   4:28:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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