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Source: ChristianPatriot.com URL Source: [None] Published: Feb 7, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP Post Date: 2015-02-07 16:29:11 by BobCeleste Keywords: None Views: 56338 Comments: 95 What does God command regarding the baby about to be aborted? Does God command us to stand around and do nothing or does He command us to rescue the baby by what ever means we need to use? You decide: Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, "Surely we did not know this," Does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds? Proverbs 24:11&12. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 11. #8. To: BobCeleste, Stoner, redleghunter, Vicomte13, kenh, wmfights (#0) BobCeleste Abortion is not mentioned in the Old or New Testament so he does not command anything for us to do. And vengeance will be for the Lord. Pericles  posted on  2015-02-08   19:37:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Pericles (#8) Abortion isn't mentioned as such, but it doesn't need to be. From Genesis forward, lives in Scripture are dated from conception. Read carefully: Adam begot Cain. Not "Eve gave birth to Cain". Lives are measured from the FATHER'S begetting. That only occurs as the result of intercourse at the beginning of the pregnancy. The FATHER begets when his seed joins with the woman's seed to create a new person. As Scripture progresses, we come to the commandment in the Torah that if men fight and strike a pregnant woman such that they cause the baby to suddenly be born, if there's no harm the one who struck has to pay the husband for striking his wife, but if there IS harm, then life for life, etc. Note well, the distinction is not simply about the mother being struck, the subject is the baby being born prematurely. If two men fighting and one strikes a pregnant woman in his rage (remember, SHE'S not fighting, he is fighting another man) if the baby is born prematurely and dies, the man who struck her is to be put to death. Likewise if she dies in childbirth. Inducing a premature birth is not what we would call "abortion", but it carries the death penalty in the Torah if the baby is killed, and it carries wound for wound body damage if the baby is crippled. And then we have several moments in the Old Testament in which God speaks of knowing the man in the womb. And of course, Jesus comes to be when he is begotten by the Holy Spirit, not when he is born. One baby in his mother's womb leapt with joy at the presence of Jesus in his mother's womb. Babies in the womb are PEOPLE in the Scripture, And that means that there's no SPECIAL law for them, Kill a baby in the womb, and you have committed a murder, no different than if you lie in wait and stab a man. Abortion isn't separately mentioned because it's just murder, same as any other murder. Murder is extensively mentioned in Scripture, and Jesus said that murderers are thrown into the lake of fire at judgment. Abortion is murder, tout court. Nothing more to say. So much so, that the Bible doesn't elaborate. Doesn't NEED to. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-08   20:03:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Vicomte13 (#9) Abortion isn't mentioned as such, but it doesn't need to be. Then how can Protestants be against it, Sola Scriptura and all that? Pericles  posted on  2015-02-08   20:05:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Pericles (#10) Then how can Protestants be against it, Sola Scriptura and all that? Because abortion is just another name for murder. The Bible doesn't say "you shall not leap out of an alley to slit the throat of a 73-year-old woman" either, for the same reason. God forgives people from killing people. Pure and simple. He doesn't make a bunch of rules about who you can kill and who you can't. In the Bible, life begins at begetting and ends with the last breath. Killing at any point on that progression is murder. "Abortion" is our name for a specific sort of killing. God didn't say: "Thou shall not drown housewives", but one if there's a movement afoot to drown housewives and it gains a name "Blubwifing", the Bible doesn't have to say "No Blubwifing" for it to be prohibited. Don't kill people suffices to cover it all. Sola Scriptura does contain the "no murder" clause, and the "begotten by father" terms, and the "cause a premature birth that kills the baby and be put to death clause. And that's quite a bit of Scriptura for the position. The Catholic and Orthodox position is also Scriptural. Alas, there are many Protestant Churches now that DON'T oppose abortion anymore, because THEY say what you said "It's not in the Bible, so it's ok". THOSE Protestants are either illiterate and don't know better, or they're liars who do know better. But the Protestants who oppose abortion do it for the same reason Orthodox and Catholics do: it's murder, clearly, Biblically and logically both. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-08   20:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 11. #12. To: Vicomte13 (#11) Because abortion is just another name for murder. No, it is not. The human body aborts fetuses all the time. Pericles  posted on  2015-02-08 20:56:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Vicomte13, Pericles, redleghunter, GarySpFc, liberator (#11) Alas, there are many Protestant Churches now that DON'T oppose abortion anymore, because THEY say what you said "It's not in the Bible, so it's ok". THOSE Protestants are either illiterate and don't know better, or they're liars who do know better. Why do you insist on spelling it incorrectly? Its Protest-ants. SOSO  posted on  2015-02-08 22:22:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 11. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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