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Title: The Civil War in color: A world in black and white brought to life as US celebrates 150th anniversary of the abolition of slavery
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... versary-abolition-slavery.html
Published: Feb 2, 2015
Author: Daily Mail
Post Date: 2015-02-02 23:32:06 by A K A Stone
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Some 150 years since Abraham Lincoln outlawed slavery in the U.S., a collection of rare Civil War-era photographs have been brought to life through painstaking colorization. February 1 marks National Freedom Day, honoring the signing by President Lincoln of a resolution which became the 13th Amendment to the Constitution and abolished slavery. The photographs, seen here, depict the battle-weary men who fought in the bloody conflict between 1861 and 1865, either for the survival of the Union or a strike out into independence for the Confederates. Scroll down for video
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#8. To: A K A Stone (#0)
President Abraham Lincoln did not outlaw slavery in the U.S. He proclaimed the slaves to be free in those parts of the Confederate States not under Union control. Exempt were the parts under Union control and all of Tennessee. Slavery in the Union states, such as Delaware, was unaffected. Proclaimed as a war measure against the other belligerent party, when the war ended the Emancipation Proclamation had no further legal effect. The 13th Amendment freed the slaves in the U.S. under President Andrew Johnson. Not until the 13th Amendment did slavery end in the Union states, i.e., the United States.
Facts often forgotten or glossed over in general and in schools in particular.
After my good Yankee edumakation, I escaped high school thinking Lincoln was the victim of a lone nut assassin, John Wilkes Booth did it, end of story. The congressional debate about the 13th Amendment was recorded verbatim and is published in the Congressional Globe, a forerunner of the Federal Record. What was said, by who, and when, is a matter of record. In the recent Spielberg movie, Lincoln, the congressional debate or speeches were fictional, not that the casual viewer would have known. For the complete Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, see: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?page=browse&c=lincoln For what Lincoln sounded like before Washington speech writers, see below from Volume 3. The below quotes are from 1858-1859, a year or two before Lincoln was elected President. - - - Lincoln at Carlinville, Illinois, August 31, 1858 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:7.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext Starts with a bang, page 77. The N-word is not elided in the original. - - - Lincoln speech at Elwood, Kansas, December 1, 1859 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:164.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext At page 495, emphasis in original. - - - Lincoln speech at Edwardsville, Ilinois, September 11, 1858 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:13.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext At the bottom of page 94 and continuing on page 95, Lincoln dropped four N-bombs in a single paragraph.
BFD, that was the lingo of the day (and of today within the black culture). It doesn't negate all of the good things Lincoln did - unless of course you are a southerner or other Lincoln detractor. IMO Lincoln did what was necessary to keep the Union together and that was a good thing to have done (though it may all soon come apart again). Were rules broken, yep, you bet your ass they were. To invoke the attitude of the current Emperor of the Union, sue him. While you at at it throw in FDR as well.
It was not the lingo of abolitionists. It is not the lingo of Lincoln mythology. Congressman Lincoln, voting as a man of his times. JOURNAL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, AT THE SECOND SESSION OF THE NINTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY, OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, - - - - - - - - - [...] Mr. Webb moved further to amend the amendment, by adding the following, viz: "Resolved, That the price of the public lands ought to be reduced. Resolved, That all white male citizens of the age of 21 years and upwards", are entitled to the privilege of voting whether they hold real estate or not. Resolved, That the elective franchise should be kept pure from contamination by the admission of colored votes. Resolved, That we approve of the granting of pre-emption rights to settlers on the public lands." Mr. Hughes moved the previous question. The question was then taken on the amendment of And decided in the affirmative.—Yeas 35.—Nays 16, The yeas and nays being called for: Those voting in the affirmative, are, Messrs. Blackwell Brown, Buckmastcr, Butler, Carpenter of Hamilton, Cloud, Dawson, Dubois, Dunn, Elliott, Fithian, Frazer, Gordon, Gregory, Hamlin, Harreld, Hampton, Harris, Henry, Hunt, Lincoln, Manly, Moore, Murphy, 237 Nunnally, Owen, Pace, Ross, "Stuart, Smith, TrOwer, Webb Wren, Vandevanter and Wood.—35. Those voting in the negative, are, Messrs. Able, Blackford. Blockburger, Bowyer, Carpenter of v Sangamon, Craig, Hackelton, Hughes, Hunter, Oliver, -Outhouse, Porter, Tunnell, Turney, Wyatt and Mr. Speaker.—16. [...]
So you don't believe in myths? OK then, start debunking MLK. Frankly I don't get your point. Every reasonably educated or well infomrd person knows that most of the "common" knowledge about are FFs are more myth than fact. Most know that to be true about just every historical or pop culture figure to some degree or other. So what if Lincoln didn't love blacks at some point in his life? So what if he didn't like blacks at some point in his life? And so what of he even tried to avoid blacks at some point in his life? Did you know Michael Jordan was an admitted racist at some point in his life? "Jordan's quoted as saying. "................... I considered myself a racist at the time. Basically, I was against all white people."" I wonder if that is being taught in schools?
#23. To: SOSO (#22)
Surely, you jest. At what point in his life did Lincoln love blacks? The quotes were decidedly from his adulthood and until one year short of getting elected president. I do not get your point. Are you defending Lincoln's repeated use of the N-word in public speeches and the sanitization of all such usage from history? There are no glowing biographies of Lincoln by black authors for a reason. Not when they are contradicted by a mountain of contradictory evidence. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln2/1:193.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext Lincoln, Eulogy on Henry Clay, July 6, 1852 CW 2:121, 126 CW 2:121, 128-129 "I had for a long time ceased to read newspapers, or to pay any attention to public affairs, confident they were in good hands, and content to be a passenger in our bark to the shore from which I am not distant. But this momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened, and filled me with terror. I considered it at once as the knell of the Union. It is hushed, indeed, for the moment. But this is a reprieve only, not a final sentence. A geographical line, co-inciding with a marked principle, moral and political, once conceived, and held up to the angry passions of men, will never be obliterated; and every irritation will mark it deeper and deeper. I can say, with conscious truth, that there is not a man on earth who would sacrifice more than I would to relieve us from this heavy reproach, in any practicable way. The cession of that kind of property, for so it is misnamed, is a bagatelle which would not cost me a second thought, if, in that way, a general emancipation, and expatriation could be effected; and, gradually, and with due sacrifices I think it might be. But as it is, we have the wolf by the ears and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other.'' [italics in original] CW 2:121, 130 [boldface added] What, other than slavery, was a greater evil, to the cause of liberty itself? CW 2:121, 130 [boldface added] Execration - loathing This would not be the last time Lincoln called the Declaration of Independence the "white man's charter of freedom." - - - - - - - - - - Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois, October 16, 1854 CW 2:247, 276 [boldface added] Lincoln: The DOI is the white man's charter of freedom. Again. CW 2:247, 276 [boldface added] Lincoln: the color of negro skin bears witness of guilt and stares horribly at you. It cannot be washed away. - - - - - - - - - - Lincoln, Speech at Springfield, Illinois, June 26, 1987 CW 2:398, 404 CW 2:398, 405 Amalgamation is not only disgusting, it is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people. CW 2:398, 409 Such separation, if ever effected at all, must be effected by colonization; and no political party, as such, is now doing anything directly for colonization. Party operations at present only favor or retard colonization incidentally. The enterprise is a difficult one; but "when there is a will there is a way;'' and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.
I should think if you want to debunk MLK, you should make the effort. Here is some memorable oratory: But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now.
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#10. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#8)
President Abraham Lincoln did not outlaw slavery in the U.S. He proclaimed the slaves to be free in those parts of the Confederate States not under Union control. Exempt were the parts under Union control and all of Tennessee. Slavery in the Union states, such as Delaware, was unaffected. Proclaimed as a war measure against the other belligerent party, when the war ended the Emancipation Proclamation had no further legal effect
#16. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#10)
Facts often forgotten or glossed over in general and in schools in particular.
He [Lincoln] said the question is often asked, why this fuss about n*****s?
People often ask, "why make such a fuss about a few n*****s?''
#19. To: nolu chan (#16)
At the bottom of page 94 and continuing on page 95, Lincoln dropped four N-bombs in a single paragraph.
#21. To: SOSO (#19)
BFD, that was the lingo of the day (and of today within the black culture).
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Mr. Webb to the amendment;
#22. To: nolu chan (#21)
It is not the lingo of Lincoln mythology.
Replies to Comment # 22. So what if Lincoln didn't love blacks at some point in his life?
So you don't believe in myths?
Mr. Clay's predominant sentiment, from first to last, was a deep devotion to the cause of human liberty—a strong sympathy with the oppressed every where, and an ardent wish for their elevation. With him, this was a primary and all controlling passion.
This was the danger. Mr. Jefferson, then in retirement wrote:
He ever was, on principle and in feeling, opposed to slavery. The very earliest, and one of the latest public efforts of his life, separated by a period of more than fifty years, were both made in favor of gradual emancipation of the slaves in Kentucky. He did not perceive, that on a question of human right, the negroes were to be excepted from the human race. And yet Mr. Clay was the owner of slaves. Cast into life where slavery was already widely spread and deeply seated, he did not perceive, as I think no wise man has perceived, how it could be at once eradicated, without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty itself.
Those who would shiver into fragments the Union of these States; tear to tatters its now venerated constitution; and even burn the last copy of the Bible, rather than slavery should continue a single hour, together with all their more halting sympathisers, have received, and are receiving their just execration; and the name, and opinions, and influence of Mr. Clay, are fully, and, as I trust, effectually and enduringly, arrayed against them. But I would also, if I could, array his name, opinions, and influence against the opposite extreme—against a few, but an increasing number of men, who, for the sake of perpetuating slavery, are beginning to assail and to ridicule the white-man's charter of freedom—the declaration that "all men are created free and equal.''
Already the liberal party throughout the world, express the apprehension "that the one retrograde institution in America, is undermining the principles of progress, and fatally violating the noblest political system the world ever saw.'' This is not the taunt of enemies, but the warning of friends. Is it quite safe to disregard it—to despise it? Is there no danger to liberty itself, in discarding the earliest practice, and first precept of our ancient faith? In our greedy chase to make profit of the negro, let us beware, lest we "cancel and tear to pieces'' even the white man's charter of freedom.
You can as easily argue the color out of the negroes' skin. Like the "bloody hand'' you may wash it, and wash it, the red witness of guilt still sticks, and stares horribly at you.
It is grossly incorrect to say or assume, that the public estimate of the negro is more favorable now than it was at the origin of the government.
There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people, to the idea of an indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races; and Judge Douglas evidently is basing his chief hope, upon the chances of being able to appropriate the benefit of this disgust to himself.
I have said that the separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation. I have no right to say all the members of the Republican party are in favor of this, nor to say that as a party they are in favor of it. There is nothing in their platform directly on the subject. But I can say a very large proportion of its members are for it, and that the chief plank in their platform—opposition to the spread of slavery—is most favorable to that separation.
#24. To: SOSO (#22)
OK then, start debunking MLK.
When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."
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