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Title: The Civil War in color: A world in black and white brought to life as US celebrates 150th anniversary of the abolition of slavery
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Published: Feb 2, 2015
Author: Daily Mail
Post Date: 2015-02-02 23:32:06 by A K A Stone
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Some 150 years since Abraham Lincoln outlawed slavery in the U.S., a collection of rare Civil War-era photographs have been brought to life through painstaking colorization. February 1 marks National Freedom Day, honoring the signing by President Lincoln of a resolution which became the 13th Amendment to the Constitution and abolished slavery. The photographs, seen here, depict the battle-weary men who fought in the bloody conflict between 1861 and 1865, either for the survival of the Union or a strike out into independence for the Confederates. Scroll down for video
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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)
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how does one upload pictures using HTML code ? I've got pictures of my great great grandfather and grandmother from the civil war to show you!
You would have to upload them someplace like flickr or imgr. Then imbed them here.
Thanks for the info... I made an Imgr. account. This is a test
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
My image didn't appear. If you could delete both posts. Thanks.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Frankly, they look dreadful. Worse than even Turner's worst colorization efforts. Who the hell did they hire to photoshop this, some middle-school kids? The color balances and the green-yellow tint couldn't be much more amateurish.
Your image is fine, your link format is incorrect. < img src="http://i.imgur.com/6wStjAz.jpg" > In the link showing above, I have added a space after the first bracket and before the last bracket (to show it as text). Eliminating the two spaces has the link work to show the image below.
President Abraham Lincoln did not outlaw slavery in the U.S. He proclaimed the slaves to be free in those parts of the Confederate States not under Union control. Exempt were the parts under Union control and all of Tennessee. Slavery in the Union states, such as Delaware, was unaffected. Proclaimed as a war measure against the other belligerent party, when the war ended the Emancipation Proclamation had no further legal effect. The 13th Amendment freed the slaves in the U.S. under President Andrew Johnson. Not until the 13th Amendment did slavery end in the Union states, i.e., the United States.
I am sure that you will look so much better when you are 150 years old.
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Facts often forgotten or glossed over in general and in schools in particular.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Thank you. So... All I have to do to make the code work is put a < before and > after?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
World was black and white at that time
They work for cheap
What is depicted in my #7 is the working code with two spaces added. Remove those spaces and the code causes the image to be shown. < img src=" goes before your image link, minus the space after the bracket " > goes after your link, minus the space before the bracket to resize an image, add after your link, one space and "width=320" where the variable number sets the width of the image shown in pixels. The height should auto-adjust to stay in proportion. < img src="http://i.imgur.com/6wStjAz.jpg" width="320" >
Ok... so I'm clear, explain it to me this way. If the code I get from IMGR is .... What does the complete code need to look like... and does it have to go in the "quote" box?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
After my good Yankee edumakation, I escaped high school thinking Lincoln was the victim of a lone nut assassin, John Wilkes Booth did it, end of story. The congressional debate about the 13th Amendment was recorded verbatim and is published in the Congressional Globe, a forerunner of the Federal Record. What was said, by who, and when, is a matter of record. In the recent Spielberg movie, Lincoln, the congressional debate or speeches were fictional, not that the casual viewer would have known. For the complete Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, see: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?page=browse&c=lincoln For what Lincoln sounded like before Washington speech writers, see below from Volume 3. The below quotes are from 1858-1859, a year or two before Lincoln was elected President. - - - Lincoln at Carlinville, Illinois, August 31, 1858 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:7.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext Starts with a bang, page 77. The N-word is not elided in the original. - - - Lincoln speech at Elwood, Kansas, December 1, 1859 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:164.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext At page 495, emphasis in original. - - - Lincoln speech at Edwardsville, Ilinois, September 11, 1858 http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln3/1:13.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext At the bottom of page 94 and continuing on page 95, Lincoln dropped four N-bombs in a single paragraph.
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"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
It should look precisely like this, minus the space before img. The second example is resized. It need not be in the "quote" box. < img src="http://i.imgur.com/6wStjAz.jpg"> < img src="http://i.imgur.com/6wStjAz.jpg" width="320">
BFD, that was the lingo of the day (and of today within the black culture). It doesn't negate all of the good things Lincoln did - unless of course you are a southerner or other Lincoln detractor. IMO Lincoln did what was necessary to keep the Union together and that was a good thing to have done (though it may all soon come apart again). Were rules broken, yep, you bet your ass they were. To invoke the attitude of the current Emperor of the Union, sue him. While you at at it throw in FDR as well.
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< img src="http://i.imgur.com/6wStjAz.jpg" width="320" > I did not know that, I learned something today. :)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
It was not the lingo of abolitionists. It is not the lingo of Lincoln mythology. Congressman Lincoln, voting as a man of his times. JOURNAL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, AT THE SECOND SESSION OF THE NINTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY, OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, - - - - - - - - - [...] Mr. Webb moved further to amend the amendment, by adding the following, viz: "Resolved, That the price of the public lands ought to be reduced. Resolved, That all white male citizens of the age of 21 years and upwards", are entitled to the privilege of voting whether they hold real estate or not. Resolved, That the elective franchise should be kept pure from contamination by the admission of colored votes. Resolved, That we approve of the granting of pre-emption rights to settlers on the public lands." Mr. Hughes moved the previous question. The question was then taken on the amendment of And decided in the affirmative.—Yeas 35.—Nays 16, The yeas and nays being called for: Those voting in the affirmative, are, Messrs. Blackwell Brown, Buckmastcr, Butler, Carpenter of Hamilton, Cloud, Dawson, Dubois, Dunn, Elliott, Fithian, Frazer, Gordon, Gregory, Hamlin, Harreld, Hampton, Harris, Henry, Hunt, Lincoln, Manly, Moore, Murphy, 237 Nunnally, Owen, Pace, Ross, "Stuart, Smith, TrOwer, Webb Wren, Vandevanter and Wood.—35. Those voting in the negative, are, Messrs. Able, Blackford. Blockburger, Bowyer, Carpenter of v Sangamon, Craig, Hackelton, Hughes, Hunter, Oliver, -Outhouse, Porter, Tunnell, Turney, Wyatt and Mr. Speaker.—16. [...]
So you don't believe in myths? OK then, start debunking MLK. Frankly I don't get your point. Every reasonably educated or well infomrd person knows that most of the "common" knowledge about are FFs are more myth than fact. Most know that to be true about just every historical or pop culture figure to some degree or other. So what if Lincoln didn't love blacks at some point in his life? So what if he didn't like blacks at some point in his life? And so what of he even tried to avoid blacks at some point in his life? Did you know Michael Jordan was an admitted racist at some point in his life? "Jordan's quoted as saying. "................... I considered myself a racist at the time. Basically, I was against all white people."" I wonder if that is being taught in schools?
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Surely, you jest. At what point in his life did Lincoln love blacks? The quotes were decidedly from his adulthood and until one year short of getting elected president. I do not get your point. Are you defending Lincoln's repeated use of the N-word in public speeches and the sanitization of all such usage from history? There are no glowing biographies of Lincoln by black authors for a reason. Not when they are contradicted by a mountain of contradictory evidence. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln2/1:193.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext Lincoln, Eulogy on Henry Clay, July 6, 1852 CW 2:121, 126 CW 2:121, 128-129 "I had for a long time ceased to read newspapers, or to pay any attention to public affairs, confident they were in good hands, and content to be a passenger in our bark to the shore from which I am not distant. But this momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened, and filled me with terror. I considered it at once as the knell of the Union. It is hushed, indeed, for the moment. But this is a reprieve only, not a final sentence. A geographical line, co-inciding with a marked principle, moral and political, once conceived, and held up to the angry passions of men, will never be obliterated; and every irritation will mark it deeper and deeper. I can say, with conscious truth, that there is not a man on earth who would sacrifice more than I would to relieve us from this heavy reproach, in any practicable way. The cession of that kind of property, for so it is misnamed, is a bagatelle which would not cost me a second thought, if, in that way, a general emancipation, and expatriation could be effected; and, gradually, and with due sacrifices I think it might be. But as it is, we have the wolf by the ears and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other.'' [italics in original] CW 2:121, 130 [boldface added] What, other than slavery, was a greater evil, to the cause of liberty itself? CW 2:121, 130 [boldface added] Execration - loathing This would not be the last time Lincoln called the Declaration of Independence the "white man's charter of freedom." - - - - - - - - - - Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois, October 16, 1854 CW 2:247, 276 [boldface added] Lincoln: The DOI is the white man's charter of freedom. Again. CW 2:247, 276 [boldface added] Lincoln: the color of negro skin bears witness of guilt and stares horribly at you. It cannot be washed away. - - - - - - - - - - Lincoln, Speech at Springfield, Illinois, June 26, 1987 CW 2:398, 404 CW 2:398, 405 Amalgamation is not only disgusting, it is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people. CW 2:398, 409 Such separation, if ever effected at all, must be effected by colonization; and no political party, as such, is now doing anything directly for colonization. Party operations at present only favor or retard colonization incidentally. The enterprise is a difficult one; but "when there is a will there is a way;'' and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.
I should think if you want to debunk MLK, you should make the effort. Here is some memorable oratory: But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now.
I should think if you want to debunk MLK, you should make the effort. You don't see me doing that, do you? "Here is some memorable oratory:" Ah, so memorable oratory trumps all? OK, now please apply your principle to all, black and white alike.
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Not at all. I detest that word, have since I had it explained to me when I first heard it as a boy. I detest it every bit as much when blacks use the word in their every day speech and in the music of the pop culture as casual as can be. My point is Lincoln didn't have to love blacks or even liked them to still be a great man. The simple facts are that at the framing of the Consitution just about every FF understood that the issue of slavery was far from settled. Most thought the issue would come to a head within 10 years or so, many of those believing it would be a bloody head. Further by the mid-1800 the institution of slavery in virtually all of the states was a dying institution and not long for continuance. The Civil War brought the issue to a head but only partly resolved the question of racial equality. The fact is, with warts and all, the U.S. is the most diverse, integrated and racially and religiously open society on the planet. We are one of the few countries, if not the only one, that doesn't ask "Who are you" but "What can you do".
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You don't see me doing that, do you? No. Which leaves your obscure point pointless. Lincoln repeatedly spoke against negro equality, he was an officer of the Colonization Society, and he advocated for the deportation of all blacks. Do you claim the existence of something similar with which to debunk or discredit the claims that MLK was a civil rights advocate? You raised your obscure point about debunking MLK without identifying anything to debunk. Indeed, it is not clear that you even know who or what I quoted.
What you said was: Your expressed point was that Lincoln did not love blacks at some point in his life. This implies that he stopped not loving blacks and started loving them at some point in his life. I inquired about when that was. Their acts and deeds speak to the contrary about how quickly it would come to a head. Within 10 years? The Constitution, at Art. 1, Sec. 9, provided for two decades in which the importation of slaves could not be prohibited by Congress, nor be taxed beyond 10 dollars per person. This is partially true. Most of the slave states had acted to prohibit the importation of slaves into their state for sale or hire. For many, the slaves were a problem that was thrust upon them, or their forebears, as colonials. It benefitted the select few or aristocracy that could afford slaves and had a use for them. For the rest, it was whites competing with slave labor. What many really wanted was the expulsion or disappearance of the blacks to someplace. They wanted a lily white North America. Abraham Lincoln made no secret that this was his desire. The matter of slavery in the District of Columbia was debated in 1848-49, with Congressman Lincoln participating, and a Northern congressman from Ohio explained clearly, the dilemma with simply manumitting the slaves. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=021/llcg021.db&recNum=460 Mr. Taylor of Ohio. They did not want the free negroes of the slave-holding States in the State of Ohio; and he feared the time was rapidly arriving when they would be compelled to adopt the policy of Illinois, and close the door to the admission of any free negroes from the slave States or they might be overrun by such a population as those States should choose to send them. The Governor of Virginia had recently reported to the Legislature of that State that there were about fifty thousand free negroes in Virginia, and recommended that they should be expelled that State. Ohio wanted none of that population; the greater portion of it was a pauper population. They did not want any more of it. He was opposed also to placing this black race, free or slave, upon a platform of equality with the whites, because he thought they were unworthy to stand upon that platform, and that they were incapable of exercising the rights of citizenship. He should give his consent to no such proposition as to allow the free negroes and the slaves to vote upon any political questions. The Constitution of the United States contemplated that the white citizens of the country should do the legislation of the country, and not the negroes. He dissented from the views of his colleague, [Mr. Giddings,] who, some weeks since, desired that a vote of the free negroes and the slaves of this District should be taken upon the question of altering the relation of master and slave here. Such views and opinions found no countenance among the great body of the people of Ohio; and he wished his friends from the North and the South to understand it. The Civil War did not resolve or address the question of racial equality. It was probably a fraction of 1% of the white population, North or South, that sought racial equality. How many places on the planet have you lived and observed this alleged phenomenon of the U.S. being "the most diverse, integrated and racially and religiously open society on the planet?" Also, we famously have the greatest health care system in the world, the greatest legal system in the world, and the U.S. Senate is the greatest deliberative body in history.
I will never know why it was so important for Lincoln and the North to destroy the South. If they would have just let them secede lives would have been saved. It was not worth the cost that much is sure.
I have worked in 5 other countries in Europe and Asia long enough to know for a fact the U.S. is the most diverse and open country in the world. If you have facts to contradict that statement bring them.
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You raised your obscure point about debunking MLK without identifying anything to debunk. Indeed, it is not clear that you even know who or what I quoted. Licoln has significantly more documented pieces of memorable oratory than MLK. Are yo denying that MLK was a flawed man? I don't deny that Lincoln had flaws. Only fools or the willifully bigoted would believe that their great heros were not flawed men. So feel free to sh*t on Lincoln while praising MLK as you wish. I accept the fact that both men did some good things in spite of their flaws. If you still don't understand my point then so be it. I am moving on from this line of discussion.
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You have worked in five other countries and therefore claim to know "for a fact the U.S. is the most diverse, integrated and racially and religiously open society on the planet." Good work. You really brought it with hard facts. I do not have your ability to divine the behavior of the entire world, but I spent 20 continuous years in Europe and did not observe the same racial discrimination.
Lincoln's memorable oratory before he became President is frequently unprintable today. I made no claims about MLK and you were the one who brought him up while making no point. You suggested debunking MLK while failing to suggest anything to debunk. You still have not identified anything to debunk. That MLK was not perfect and was taped by the FBI doing the horizontal bop is common knowledge. You sound upset that he got so much trim. The Lincoln myth has plenty to debunk. I not only identify it, I debunk it. You attempt to divert upon some vague nonsense about MLK. As for MLK day, the South just celebrates Robert E. Lee's birthday and knows that Lee's ancestral estate is the most hallowed ground in America.
That's because you didn't look. Tell me what country has a more diverse racial, ethnic, cultural and religious population than the U.S. You probably think that Norway is racially diverse and non-prejudice. I am not going spend much more time in dealing with your prejudices. Believe as you will.
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You quoted him and in a manner that reveals your reverence for the man. "The Lincoln myth has plenty to debunk. I not only identify it, I debunk it. You attempt to divert upon some vague nonsense about MLK. As for MLK day, the South just celebrates Robert E. Lee's birthday and knows that Lee's ancestral estate is the most hallowed ground in America." As does the MLK myth. The only thing that is nonesense is your pretense of not being a racially prejudice person. Your oratory reeks of it. Why shouldn't the South revere Lee? He was a great General. Walk into any "urban" area and ask the bros if they ever heard of Lee. At least southerners know MLK. Mexican Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo though many don't even know what it is or likely never have been to Mexico. Irish Americans celebrate St. Patrick's Day though many have never been to Ireland nor speak the language. Italian Americans celebrate Columbus day while most have never been to Italy and don't speak the language. There is nothing inherently wrong with a cultural identity unless it becomes traibal and exclusionary. I am getting a very strong vibe that you are a racist at heart. What is your problem? Did some white southerner scare you when you were young? Or was it something handed down to you by your parents, family and friends?
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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#3. To: TEA Party Reveler (#2)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)
#6. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#7. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#5)
#8. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Some 150 years since Abraham Lincoln outlawed slavery in the U.S.
#9. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#6)
Frankly, they look dreadful.
#10. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#8)
President Abraham Lincoln did not outlaw slavery in the U.S. He proclaimed the slaves to be free in those parts of the Confederate States not under Union control. Exempt were the parts under Union control and all of Tennessee. Slavery in the Union states, such as Delaware, was unaffected. Proclaimed as a war measure against the other belligerent party, when the war ended the Emancipation Proclamation had no further legal effect
#11. To: nolu chan (#7)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#13. To: TooConservative (#6)
Who the hell did they hire to photoshop this, some middle-school kids?
#14. To: GrandIsland (#11)
So... All I have to do to make the code work is put a < before and > after?
#15. To: nolu chan (#14)
#16. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#10)
Facts often forgotten or glossed over in general and in schools in particular.
He [Lincoln] said the question is often asked, why this fuss about n*****s?
People often ask, "why make such a fuss about a few n*****s?''
#17. To: nolu chan (#16)
#18. To: GrandIsland (#15)
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#19. To: nolu chan (#16)
At the bottom of page 94 and continuing on page 95, Lincoln dropped four N-bombs in a single paragraph.
#20. To: nolu chan (#14)
to resize an image, add after your link, one space and "width=320" where the variable number sets the width of the image shown in pixels. The height should auto-adjust to stay in proportion.
#21. To: SOSO (#19)
BFD, that was the lingo of the day (and of today within the black culture).
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#22. To: nolu chan (#21)
It is not the lingo of Lincoln mythology.
#23. To: SOSO (#22)
So what if Lincoln didn't love blacks at some point in his life?
So you don't believe in myths?
Mr. Clay's predominant sentiment, from first to last, was a deep devotion to the cause of human liberty—a strong sympathy with the oppressed every where, and an ardent wish for their elevation. With him, this was a primary and all controlling passion.
This was the danger. Mr. Jefferson, then in retirement wrote:
He ever was, on principle and in feeling, opposed to slavery. The very earliest, and one of the latest public efforts of his life, separated by a period of more than fifty years, were both made in favor of gradual emancipation of the slaves in Kentucky. He did not perceive, that on a question of human right, the negroes were to be excepted from the human race. And yet Mr. Clay was the owner of slaves. Cast into life where slavery was already widely spread and deeply seated, he did not perceive, as I think no wise man has perceived, how it could be at once eradicated, without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty itself.
Those who would shiver into fragments the Union of these States; tear to tatters its now venerated constitution; and even burn the last copy of the Bible, rather than slavery should continue a single hour, together with all their more halting sympathisers, have received, and are receiving their just execration; and the name, and opinions, and influence of Mr. Clay, are fully, and, as I trust, effectually and enduringly, arrayed against them. But I would also, if I could, array his name, opinions, and influence against the opposite extreme—against a few, but an increasing number of men, who, for the sake of perpetuating slavery, are beginning to assail and to ridicule the white-man's charter of freedom—the declaration that "all men are created free and equal.''
Already the liberal party throughout the world, express the apprehension "that the one retrograde institution in America, is undermining the principles of progress, and fatally violating the noblest political system the world ever saw.'' This is not the taunt of enemies, but the warning of friends. Is it quite safe to disregard it—to despise it? Is there no danger to liberty itself, in discarding the earliest practice, and first precept of our ancient faith? In our greedy chase to make profit of the negro, let us beware, lest we "cancel and tear to pieces'' even the white man's charter of freedom.
You can as easily argue the color out of the negroes' skin. Like the "bloody hand'' you may wash it, and wash it, the red witness of guilt still sticks, and stares horribly at you.
It is grossly incorrect to say or assume, that the public estimate of the negro is more favorable now than it was at the origin of the government.
There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people, to the idea of an indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races; and Judge Douglas evidently is basing his chief hope, upon the chances of being able to appropriate the benefit of this disgust to himself.
I have said that the separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation. I have no right to say all the members of the Republican party are in favor of this, nor to say that as a party they are in favor of it. There is nothing in their platform directly on the subject. But I can say a very large proportion of its members are for it, and that the chief plank in their platform—opposition to the spread of slavery—is most favorable to that separation.
#24. To: SOSO (#22)
OK then, start debunking MLK.
When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."
#25. To: nolu chan (#24)
OK then, start debunking MLK.
#26. To: nolu chan (#23)
At what point in his life did Lincoln love blacks? The quotes were decidedly from his adulthood and until one year short of getting elected president. I do not get your point. Are you defending Lincoln's repeated use of the N-word in public speeches and the sanitization of all such usage from history?
#27. To: SOSO (#25)
I should think if you want to debunk MLK, you should make the effort.
Ah, so memorable oratory trumps all? OK, now please apply your principle to all, black and white alike.
#28. To: SOSO (#26)
My point is Lincoln didn't have to love blacks or even liked them to still be a great man.
So what if Lincoln didn't love blacks at some point in his life?
The simple facts are that at the framing of the Consitution just about every FF understood that the issue of slavery was far from settled. Most thought the issue would come to a head within 10 years or so, many of those believing it would be a bloody head.
Further by the mid-1800 the institution of slavery in virtually all of the states was a dying institution and not long for continuance.
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The Civil War brought the issue to a head but only partly resolved the question of racial equality.
The fact is, with warts and all, the U.S. is the most diverse, integrated and racially and religiously open society on the planet. We are one of the few countries, if not the only one, that doesn't ask "Who are you" but "What can you do".
#29. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#30. To: nolu chan (#28)
How many places on the planet have you lived and observed this alleged phenomenon of the U.S. being "the most diverse, integrated and racially and religiously open society on the planet?"
#31. To: nolu chan (#27)
Ah, so memorable oratory trumps all? OK, now please apply your principle to all, black and white alike.
#32. To: SOSO (#30)
I have worked in 5 other countries in Europe and Asia long enough to know for a fact the U.S. is the most diverse and open country in the world. If you have facts to contradict that statement bring them.
#33. To: SOSO (#31)
Licoln has significantly more documented pieces of memorable oratory than MLK. Are yo denying that MLK was a flawed man? I don't deny that Lincoln had flaws. Only fools or the willifully bigoted would believe that their great heros were not flawed men. So feel free to sh*t on Lincoln while praising MLK as you wish. I accept the fact that both men did some good things in spite of their flaws.
#34. To: nolu chan (#32)
I do not have your ability to divine the behavior of the entire world, but I spent 20 continuous years in Europe and did not observe the same racial discrimination.
#35. To: nolu chan (#33)
I made no claims about MLK.......
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