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Title: Porn Star Belle Knox Doesn't Know What Libertarianism Is. Neither Do Libertarians.
Source: New Republic
URL Source: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/ ... g-made-me-libertarian-activist
Published: Jan 30, 2015
Author: Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig
Post Date: 2015-02-01 11:00:34 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 18388
Comments: 70

Belle Knox, the enterprising Duke undergraduate who ascended to fame last year after her porn career was discovered by nosy classmates, has decided to direct her notoriety to politics. In an interview with Business Insider, Knox expressed her desire to become a libertarian political activist, having already begun work with libertarian campus groups. Knox evidently identifies failed screenwriter Ayn Rand as a personal hero, and supports the Paul dynasty, citing appreciation for both Ron and son Rand. And she attributed her libertarianism to her conservative religious upbringing.

“I grew up Catholic, so I grew up in a very, very, conservative background and that, I think, really was kind of the impetus for why I wanted to become a libertarian," she said. "I was always being told to cover up my body and I was always being told to wait until marriage to have sex… That really made me become a libertarian and become a feminist.”

Insofar as libertarianism is opposed to almost every feature of Catholic morality, Knox has certainly picked an appropriate politics of rebellion. But Knox, who considers herself “very socially liberal, but … very economically conservative,” may find less agreement among fellow libertarians than she expects. This isn’t because Knox doesn’t have a good sense of what libertarians actually believe; it’s because libertarians themselves do not appear to have a good sense of what libertarianism actually means.

Even Ayn Rand detested libertarians, whom she identified with hippies and considered irrational, ineffectual opponents of true freedom. When it comes to polling libertarians, it certainly appears that they aren’t quite as socially liberal as their nomenclature might suggest. In a Pew survey last year, for example, libertarians polled as plenty supportive of police intervention in citizens’ daily lives, showing slightly greater support for stop-and-frisk policies than the general population:

A baffling quarter of libertarians surveyed believe homosexuality should be discouraged, and 59 percent were opposed to same-sex marriage in a survey conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute in 2013. Meanwhile, the inexplicable libertarian appreciation for cops frisking people at will is mirrored by an equally bizarre fondness for U.S. military intervention in global affairs.

All this while supporting privacy, though perhaps only for themselves, and not for those on the receiving end of police shakedowns and U.S. drones. The only thing libertarians really seem to agree with their label on is the subject of poverty, with 57 percent claiming that government aid to poor people does more harm than good, and 56 percent responding that government regulation of business does more harm than good. If Knox sees libertarianism as a direct counterpoint to Catholic teaching, then this point should be of greatest interest to her, as libertarian disinterest in state efforts to care for the poor really is the antithesis of Catholic teaching on moral states. But insofar as Knox cites attorney Gloria Allred as a hero she would like to emulate, she still doesn’t appear to apprehend what libertarianism actually means: While Allred has spent a career fighting against gender discrimination, this also means she has spent a career levying state power to reverse privately made decisions about employment, pay, and so on. Like it or not, this is the regulation of business.

Knox is only 19 years old, so we can hardly fault her for these contradictions. Libertarianism itself has no such excuse. How to explain its adherents' schizophrenia on matters that would, to an observer, seem to have fairly clear-cut libertarian approaches? The problem is that, while libertarians seem to agree that they favor freedom, and appear to be in agreement that freedom is reduced by state intervention, they do not have a positive working definition of what freedom actually is. For Belle Knox, freedom has to do with decriminalized sex work and fair pathways for women in employment—but both of those projects imply a level of proactive government regulation in business. For the jingoistic libertarians polled in the Pew survey, freedom clearly has to do with domestic freedom from criminal activity and threats abroad—but in those cases, some other person or group must be inspected or restrained to achieve such a sense of liberty. Libertarians who oppose government aid to the poor seem to desire freedom from taxes, but have no interest in whether or not the poorest are really free to exercise their rights to human flourishing when they can barely eat.

In other words, libertarianism comes with a love of freedom but no consistent sense of what really constitutes freedom or who it is for. For libertarian politicians and their advocates, the sheer slipperiness of the concepts at hand may be a feature rather than a bug, allowing them to cherry-pick policies they personally prefer and shape malleable definitions around them. But for genuine, invested activists like Knox, the evasiveness of the libertarian message should be a red flag.

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#10. To: Dead Culture Watch (#2)

To: Palmdale (#1)

Did a libertarian beat up you uber betas when you were kids? ---- Why so much tilting at the libertarian windmill? ----- You seem quite scared of them, with all the posts against them you make. Yet, very little energy directed at Obamas policies.

Why is that?

Dead Culture Watch

You hit the mark with the 'scared' comment.

These poor bozos are frightened terribly that the authoritarian applecart they worship may be upset by us uberevil libertarians.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   13:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tpaine (#10)

These poor bozos are frightened terribly that the authoritarian applecart they worship may be upset by us uberevil libertarians.

I fear nothing and no one....I am fearless!!!

Libertarians are never to be feared, they are to be pitied and laughed at.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   13:05:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#8)

There isn't that much competition.

Yes, that was my point.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   13:08:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin (#11)

I am fearless!!!

The masters have summoned me for a debriefing.
I must leave the site in your hands for now.
To power!

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   13:16:49 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Palmdale (#13)

"I have the conn."

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   13:22:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite, Palmdale (#6)

That was funny....

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   13:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Palmdale (#5)

Nice necklace, ya think?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   13:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin, misterwhite, Palmdale ---- This is funny.... (#15)

Gatlin wrote:

To: misterwhite, Palmdale That was funny....

"Libertarians are diligently plotting to take over the world, (in order) to leave you freeky authoritarians alone".

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   13:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tpaine (#17)

"Libertarians are diligently plotting to take over the world, (in order) to leave you freeky authoritarians alone".

Libertarianism came into being in 1789.

"Libertarians are diligently plotting to take over the world, (in order) to leave you freeky authoritarians alone".

How much longer do you think this will take?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   13:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin, Y'ALL (#18)

Libertarianism came into being in 1789.

How much longer do you think this will take?

Well, if you ever bothered to read our Constitution, you would see it is a very libertarian document. -- In that sense, we already have won. --- Although I have to admit, we're still fighting you authoritarians about the fine points.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   14:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#14)

To: Palmdale "I have the conn."

You spelled con wrong.

Maybe you can answer the question your other beta failed to, what scares you about Libertarians so much that 90% of all your attacks are against them?

Please, only use one screen name to answer this, dont try a sixth log in please.

Spit!

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   14:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: tpaine (#19)

In that sense, we already have won. --- Although I have to admit, we're still fighting you authoritarians about the fine points.

There can be no doubt when it comes to substance, you libertarians are living in your own fantasy world, and often that’s quite literally true.

You live in your fantasy world, Ayn....I choose to continue to live with reality.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   15:03:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin, Y'ALL (#21)

---- I choose to continue to live with reality.

Your reality approves of the war on drug's, swat team type police tactics, and big brother govt, as you just conceded on another thread.

--Thanks...

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   15:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tpaine Gatlin Beta male (#22)

His attacks on Ayn Rand seem to also suggest he thinks hes entitled to another mans property, as that was her main point of contention with the beta males of the world, whom she despised, and they in turn, have a hatred for her for showing all just how small they are.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   15:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dead Culture Watch (#23)

Ayn Rand seem to also suggest he thinks hes entitled to another mans property

Ayn Rand Was A Secret Welfare Queen

A typical welfare tparasite.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   15:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#14)

I have the conn

I trust you with the conn and just look at all the pedestrian minds you ran over while I was away.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   15:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#16)

Nice necklace, ya think?

This one might have been more appropriate:

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   15:52:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Palmdale (#24)

So, what POSITIONS of hers do you disagree with?

Attacking the message by slandering the messenger wont work.

Cmon, you betas may not have any man parts, but supposedly you make up for it by being clever.

What ya got sparky?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   15:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Palmdale (#27)

Cmon, you betas may not have any man parts, but supposedly you make up for it by being clever.

What ya got sparky?

It appears Dead Culture Watch wants to know if you have any man parts. Maybe it is legitimate. He could be doing scientific research or he could just be dysfunctional.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Dead Culture Watch (#27)

So, what POSITIONS of hers do you disagree with?

Going on welfare while sitting on stash of cash. No doubt rank hypocrisy and blatant tparasitism are admirable positions in your view.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   16:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Otter (#28)

It appears Dead Culture Watch wants to know if you have any man parts.

Maybe he's just naturally curious about men's genitalia.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   16:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Palmdale (#30)

Maybe "he" is a "she" or......?

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Otter (#31)

Maybe "he" is a "she" or......?

Hmmm, I may need to be more careful with mu use of personal subject pronouns. Some of the most extreme leftists are now claiming that all gender specific pronouns are a form of microaggression. I'm not sure that Dead Culture Watch is that far gone, but who knows?

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   16:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Palmdale (#29)

Welfare?

Let me guess, you once again lie.

Again, so you disagree with her positions on WHAT?

Cmon lying little beta, you can come up with something about her positions, with volumes of work to choose from, that you disagree with, or maybe you just wont admit it?

My money is on the latter. You lie, you obfuscate, you do all you can to make your little beta life seem like its something to admire, when in reality, its just a mean, selfish, and small little world you have.

Beta males, SPIT!

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   16:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Otter (#28)

Are you one of Gatlins personalities that you have on another device?

And no, am not curious about his parts, its obvious what his issue is.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   16:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: tpaine (#22)

God Bless America!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   16:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Palmdale, stalking.... (#24)

---tparasite----

Stalking

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   16:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Palmdale (#26)

Funny.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   16:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Palmdale, stalking... (#29)

----- tparasitism ------

Stalking

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   16:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dead Culture Watch (#34)

You seem to suffer from paranoia and delusions.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Otter, -- suffering from paranoia and delusions. (#39)

You seem to suffer from paranoia and delusions.

You seem to suffer from posting the same old juvenile shit about paranoia and delusions. Grow up...

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   16:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Otter (#39)

Umm, hes tried to get in with five other screen names.

Why would suspecting him of logging in on anther device be paranoid?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   16:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: tpaine (#40)

First time I posted it. Why not mind your own business...or is it too tpaineful?

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Dead Culture Watch (#41)

I'm not privy to that information. Are you a moderator?

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: tpaine (#40)

You seem to suffer from posting the same old juvenile shit about paranoia and delusions. Grow up...

Nothing ever changes does it? Still can't fit in as a useful member of society so he still resorts to childish prose at his advanced age.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-02-01   16:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: CZ82 (#44)

I've noticed that about tpaineful, also. His little screeds and name calling in the "To" box is so juvenile.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Otter (#43)

I'm not privy to that information. Are you a moderator?

So, you just say stuff with no facts to back you up.

Gotcha.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   16:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Dead Culture Watch (#46)

Umm, hes tried to get in with five other screen names.

I asked a question. Are you a moderator? If not, then you would be saying stuff with no facts to back it up.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Dead Culture Watch, Palmdale (#20)

To: Palmdale "I have the conn."

You spelled con wrong.

Don’t you ever, ever correct me! Source.

1. The conn, also spelled cun, conne, cond, conde, and cund, is the act of controlling a ship's movements while at sea. Source.

2. For example, the captain may state, "I have the deck and the conn," or "I have the conn"… Source.

3. On submarines, a typical announcement would be, "Helm, Quartermaster, LT Schmidt has the Deck and the Conn." Source.

4. "You have the conn" is the glib comment one officer makes when turning command over to another officer. Source.

5. Just what are the deck andthe conn? Source.

6. U.S. Navy: What does it mean when "X has the conn"? Source.

7. When a ship's Master issues the order "take the conn"… Source.

8. When youhave the deck and the conn and are relieved by the oncoming OOD… Source.

9. "This is Mr. , I have the conn," So urce.

10. And multiple other sources…

And, don’t you make me have to come after you again!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-01   16:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Otter (#47)

Lol...

But I DO have facts on my side.

Sucks to be you. But, im sure yer used to that.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-02-01   16:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Dead Culture Watch (#49)

But I DO have facts on my side.

Just too embarrassed to post them like most liberals. I understand.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   16:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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