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Title: Chris Kyle, Author of American Sniper, Was a War Hero. He Was Also A Liar
Source: slate.com
URL Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_ ... _lies_about_jesse_ventura.html
Published: Jan 20, 2015
Author: Mark Joseph Stern
Post Date: 2015-02-01 03:21:06 by Pericles
Keywords: None
Views: 32182
Comments: 108

American Liar

Why Jesse Ventura is likely to collect millions from Chris Kyle’s American Sniper.

By Mark Joseph Stern

Chris Kyle, author of the runaway best-seller American Sniper, was a military hero who killed 160 people during his four tours of duty in Iraq and is now the subject of an Oscar-nominated blockbuster. He was also a fabulist. Before his tragic murder in 2013, Kyle told a number of extremely dubious stories. In one tale, Kyle claimed he killed two carjackers at a gas station southwest of Dallas, and that his driver’s license directed local police officers who questioned him to contact the Department of Defense. Kyle also claimed he traveled to post-Katrina New Orleans with a sniper friend, set up his gun atop the Superdome, and picked off dozens of armed looters.

The 160 kills are confirmed by the Pentagon. But there are absolutely no records of, or witnesses to, the latter stories. They are, perhaps intentionally, unverifiable. But it wasn’t these fantastical tales of vigilante justice that got Kyle into legal trouble. It was another, much less exciting story—one that wasn’t just unverifiable, but verifiably false. That tale, conveyed in a mere three pages of American Sniper, has put Kyle’s widow on the hook for $1.845 million in damages. And it may soon make Kyle’s publishers wish they approached the veteran’s claims with great deal of skepticism.

Kyle’s legal difficulties emerged from a subchapter of American Sniper titled “Punching Out Scruff Face.” In it, Kyle describes beating up a former Navy SEAL (“Scruff Face”) after the SEAL claims American soldiers deserved to die in Iraq. Early drafts of the book identified the SEAL as Jesse Ventura, former governor of Minnesota and famed professional wrestler, but Kyle’s publishers removed the name for fear of a lawsuit. Nonetheless, in a radio interview following the book’s release, Kyle admitted that “Scruff Face” was Ventura, and he repeated the claim soon after on The O’Reilly Factor. American Sniper shot to the top of Amazon’s best-seller list, becoming a smash hit for its publisher, HarperCollins, selling more than 1.5 million copies by July of 2014.

There was, however, a problem: The Ventura story wasn’t true, and Ventura meant to prove it. So he took Kyle to trial, suing him—and, after he died, his estate—for defamation and unjust enrichment. In the United States, defamation cases are extremely difficult to win, thanks to the First Amendment. When allegedly defamatory statements pertain to a public figure, the plaintiff mustn’t just prove those statements were false. He has to prove the defendant made those statements with “actual malice”—that is, knowledge that they were false or with “reckless disregard” for their falsity. Very few defamation plaintiffs can make it over the high bar of actual malice.

Ventura made it. On July 29, 2014, a federal jury returned from six days of deliberations to award Ventura $1.845 million in damages—specifically, $500,000 for defamation and about $1.345 million for unjust enrichment. (In other words, Kyle unjustly profited from defaming Ventura, and so his estate must give Ventura some of that money.) Kyle’s widow, Taya Kyle, promptly filed for “judgment as a matter of law,” asking the trial judge to reverse’s the jury’s verdict because the jury clearly got it wrong. Failing that, she asked for an entirely new trial. The judge denied both requests, defending the jury’s verdict as legally and factually justifiable. Kyle’s widow is currently appealing the decision; her odds of winning appear quite low.

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This suit is the second of Ventura’s one-two punch, and from here, it looks like a knockout. During the first trial, Ventura’s attorneys uncovered records of HarperCollins’ negligence in fact-checking Kyle’s book, as well as evidence that HarperCollins specifically touted the Ventura story to drum up publicity. Kyle’s ghostwriters spoke with only one person who claimed to have witnessed the fight, a friend of Kyle’s who told a different version of the story that lacked Ventura’s offensive remarks. No one from HarperCollins contacted Ventura or his representatives to verify the story. And though Kyle claimed Ventura appeared at a SEAL graduation afterward with a black eye—where “everybody was laughing” and asking “Who beat the shit out of him?”—HarperCollins never asked a member of the graduating class whether they saw Ventura’s injury. (A photograph from the event shows a clear image of Ventura—with no black eye.)

It gets worse for HarperCollins. Despite the tenuous source of the Ventura story, HarperCollins quickly saw it as a publicity gold mine. After Kyle identified “Scruff Face” as Ventura in a radio interview on The Opie & Anthony Show, HarperCollins editor Peter Hubbard wrote in an email that the publicity from the story was “priceless.” HarperCollins publicist Sharon Rosenblum described the Ventura kerfuffle as “hot hot hot,” immediately arranging for Kyle to retell the tale on The O’Reilly Factor. Sales of American Sniper—which, up to that point, were fairly modest—spiked dramatically, apparently in conjunction with interest in the Ventura story. After the O’Reilly appearance, Ventura publicly denied Kyle’s accusations. Yet Rosenblum arranged for Kyle to tell the story again on The Opie & Anthony Show, and HarperCollins printed several new editions of the book that still featured the “Scruff Face” section. (It was finally removed after Ventura won his suit.)

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Don’t pity the publishers too much, though. In the midst of this legal drama, the movie adaption of American Sniper has shattered box office records and brought in well over $100 million. HarperCollins is sure to make a killing off royalties from the film, and off sales from the new movie tie-in edition of American Sniper. Even if Ventura wins millions in his second lawsuit, the publishing house may well walk away from this debacle with a healthy profit remaining, just as Kyle’s widow will do. The moral of Kyle’s story, then: It pays to lie.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   3:22:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pericles (#1)

It pays to lie.

As Jesse has repeatedly proven.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   3:24:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Otter (#2)

It pays to lie.

As Jesse has repeatedly proven.

Yes, Kyle lied and Jesse got the court to have Kyle's estate pay him almost $2 million dollars.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   3:27:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles (#4) (Edited)

Jesse lied to become rich so he is respected by people who are conspiracy whackos, lefties and expats.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   3:41:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Otter (#6) (Edited)

And Ventura was respected and believed enough by a jury and judge who awarded him $2 million of Kyle's money because Kyle libeled him. Meanwhile, that braintrust Kyle thought bringing a vet with PTSD to a shooting range was good therapy. God or Darwin passed judgement.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   3:49:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pericles (#7)

Kyle wasn't cross examined.

I used to give Ventura a little respect as I didn't agree with him much but he made a few points.

I think Kyle kicked his ass.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-02-01   8:10:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)

I think Kyle kicked his ass.

Then why no black eye in the grad photos of Jesse. Kyle insisted he had a black eye from the fight.

Trying to fight a photograph like that is why Kyle's estate lost the case. And the only reason to include that story was to profit from publishing lies about Ventura.

If the black eye is a lie, the rest of it becomes that much more suspect. And that is why Ventura, unsympathetic kook that he is, is going to prevail. It's not like the court is going to have any Ventura fanbois in it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-01   11:07:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#29)

There is actual chain of evidence where the Harper Collins book promotion agent is said to tell Kyle work up the Ventura angle when the book was not selling and claiming that the attack on Ventura - identifying Ventura by name on interviews is what sold the book.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   11:46:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: Pericles (#31)

There is actual chain of evidence where the Harper Collins book promotion agent is said to tell Kyle work up the Ventura angle when the book was not selling and claiming that the attack on Ventura - identifying Ventura by name on interviews is what sold the book.

Woh. That really tipped the case in Ventura's favor. The jury almost had to find for him after that.

I had no idea there was such blatant evidence against Kyle and his publisher.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-01 11:55:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pericles (#31)

www.sodahead.com/question/feed/4688022/atom/

Jesse Ventura Slams Chris Kyle, Says He was No Hero Because He was a Liar - But Jesse Has Done Some Lying of His Own

That a**hole Jesse Ventura is in the news again, from his home in Baja he is saying he won't go to see American Sniper, that Chris Kyle is no hero because he is a liar. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/...kyle-is-no-hero/21136316/

It seems Jesse is quite the liar himself. In his own book, "No Time to Bleed," he constantly calls himself a SEAL, but won't answer questions about his time in Vietnam. From what I've read, his only decoration was the National Defense Service medal (which every recruit gets coming out of boot camp) and the Vietnam Service medal (given to every sailor who was on as ship in the waters off Vietnam), . Here's an excellent article by a former SEAL/UDT officer about the difference between the two, and whether Ventura was ever a SEAL. It seems that it is very unlikely he ever saw action in Vietnam. He went through UDT training in 1970 and the war ended in February, 1973. He was assigned to UDT 12 and none of the guys who served in that team remember him doing duty in Vietnam - no wonder he won't talk about it. Here's the cite and a few excerpts that are on point as to whether Ventura was ever a Navy SEAL:

http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt.htm

Trainees for the SEALs and UDTs completed the same fabled basic course conducted on the Strand; however, during and after the Vietnam War, SEALs underwent specialized training at such places as the U.S. Army Ranger and Special Forces schools. Frogmen never went near Rangers or Snake-eaters.

The difference in training reflected the difference in missions: SEALs in platoons of 12 to 14 men went looking for the VC and NVA in the swamps, paddies, and jungles of Vietnam; UDTs in platoons of 22 men conducted hydrographic recons in advance of actual or anticipated Marine amphibious landings. Most of these recons were "admin," or unopposed by the enemy. UDTs mainly floated around the South China Sea on ships with Marine battalion landing teams as part of what's called an amphibious ready group or ARG.

In recognition of the differing missions, the Navy classified frogmen as "5321s" and SEALs as "5326s." The SEALs and frogmen also had different unit cartoon totems: Freddie the Frog and Sammy the Seal.

These are not distinctions without differences. No one from UDT during the Vietnam War would dare misrepresent himself as a SEAL. Consider this: SEAL Team One, with roughly the same number of men as UDT 12, had 34 killed during the war. I knew many of them. UDT 12 lost but a single man. 34:1. . . . . Still in search of an answer to the question of whether Jesse had ever been a SEAL or a frogman in the shit, I obtained a roster of UDT 12 that included his name. Looking down the roster, I saw Jesse and I had mutual acquaintances, one of whom was Artie Ruiz. Although Artie had never been a SEAL, he had been one of those rare frogmen who certainly had been in the shit. All you need do was take one look at his back, pockmarked with old shrapnel wounds, to know he'd been there.

Artie had been dinged while single-handedly keeping the VC from swarming his disabled patrol boat. Every soul on board save one had been either killed or seriously wounded in an ambush. Artie, who is about the size of Audie Murphy and as soft-spoken, fought off the enemy with a handheld M-60 machine gun at a range of 25 yards. He got a Bronze Star to go with his Heart. Should have been a Navy Cross, but enlisted guys don't have a strong lobby with the Awards Board like officers do.

I called Artie at his home in National City. "Yes, I knew Jesse and Jan," Artie said. "They were the Janos brothers. Jesse in those days was known as Jim 'the Dirty' Janos and his brother was Jan 'the Clean.' "Jan was a four-oh sailor. Squared away. Jim was a great guy, but he didn't care much about having a spiffy uniform or regulation haircut. He didn't believe much in showers, either.

"Jim belonged to a motorcycle gang in I.B. The Mongols or Mescaleros or something. I'm not sure. But I remember how he used to come roaring up Highway 75 every morning before quarters, wearing his colors and torn Levi's, reared back on his Harley hog. He'd zoom around the asphalt grinder, do a wheelie or two, then park and shift into the uniform of the day - UDT swim trunks and blue 'n' gold T-shirt."

Changing one set of colors for another?

"You could say that. Then, after a day of fun in the sun, he'd shift again and tear up the road back to I.B. and the In Spot, a tittie-flop bar where he worked as a bouncer. Jim maintained order, but not too much. You had to get really outa line for Jim to toss you. But toss you he could. Jim wasn't as buff then as when he became Jesse 'the Body' Ventura, but he was on his way."

Jesse ever in a SEAL Team?

"Oh, no. Spent his entire time in Team 12. Never had a SEAL NEC."

Could you explain about an NEC, what it means?

"Means Navy enlisted classification. It's a code all enlisted guys have that tells what their warfare specialty is. UDT guys were 5321s and SEALs were 5326s. Had to serve in a SEAL Team for at least six months before you qualified as a 26."

Jesse ever in the shit like you or Stony?

"Oh, no. At least not that I heard of, and I probably would have known if he'd been in anything serious. But I don't hold that against him. He was a good teammate. Just a little loco." . . . . The talk turned to Jesse. I asked Ed if he'd heard of "the Body."

"Yeah, I've seen him on TV. Quite a guy. I like his politics and I understand he was a SEAL. I didn't know him. Did you?"

I told him what I knew of Jesse. "I am sorry to hear that. If he was only in UDT 12, he sure as hell wasn't a SEAL. Big difference between being in UDT 12 and SEAL One."

I asked Ed if he thought Jesse could have received a transfer from UDT 12 to SEAL One during the war.

"Sure. Could probably have put his chit in at morning quarters and been standing tall on the SEAL grinder by afternoon quarters."

Quite by chance, I recently happened upon another old SEAL in a downtown deli. We'd been in Nam together and in UDT 11 after the war. He was one of several former SEALs who came to UDT 11 while I commanded the Team during the late '70s. Some of these SEALs referred to themselves as "the Junkyard Dogs." Not a sun-worshiper or bodybuilder in the bunch. But lots of Navy Crosses, Silver and Bronze Stars, and Purple Hearts - none cheap.

My friend, whom I'll call Jake, is active in the retired community and said Jesse had been the main topic of discussion during a recent meeting of an organization called Old Frogs and SEALs.

"Guys are of two minds," Jake said. "Some don't think he should be holding himself out as a SEAL, while others think it's okay. Say it's good publicity."

What do you think?

"I think the Teams got all the publicity they need. Don't need any more. I'm reading a book, Stolen Valor, that exposes men who lie or exaggerate about having fought in Nam with elite units. That's what Jesse's doing when he claims to have been a SEAL. He's trading on the valor of others. He hasn't earned the right to call himself a SEAL."

So there it is. Does Jesse trade on the valor of others when he pretends to have been a SEAL? He styles himself an honest, uncomplicated man: what you see is what you get. He should set the record straight. Hell, nothing to be ashamed of about having been a frog. UDTs have a noble tradition. When Jesse was a frog, they jumped out of airplanes, locked out of submarines, and blew shit up. But frogs didn't often fight and die like SEALs did in Nam. 34:1."

You decide - Chris Kyle received 2 Silver Stars, 5 Bronze Stars with Combat V, two Purple Hearts, one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal, and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals, while Jesse Ventura received a National Defense Service Medal and a Vietnam Service Medal -- which one is the Hero?

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