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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
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Views: 86567
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#5. To: Gatlin (#0)

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

The victims of both probably felt about the same about being murdered by them.

Kyle was much braver though in that he had a lot of courage to get into position to take his shots. So Kyle's victims could take pride in a much braver and more professional murder. Otherwise, dead is still dead. Killed helplessly against hopeless odds (a sniper at a distance or a gunman in an elementary classroom) is still getting killed helplessly.

But how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? About as sporting as shooting a deer with a scoped rifle. Or shooting fish in a barrel. Or shooting 3rd graders at their school desks.

I think this has become a Left/Right pissing match which explains how the controversy keeps going. The rest of the country is sanely trying to ignore it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   16:55:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc (#5)

But how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? About as sporting as shooting a deer with a scoped rifle. Or shooting fish in a barrel. Or shooting 3rd graders at their school desks.

The SEAL Teams operate similar to other special operations...as a team. Most of what a sniper on a SOF team will do is provide overwatch for the team members.

The SEAL teams were mostly in Anbar province when I was in Iraq. Believe it or not, they did more non lethal engagement of the populace and Iraqi security forces to include training Iraqi special forces. Guys like Kyle would provide overwatch for both lethal and non lethal operations. When you have a SEAL team conducting a raid with Iraqi special forces in a confined area, a sniper functions much like a fire support asset. They have the back of the team doing the mission. The team is very exposed during an operation and without snipers, observation drones, EW assets and if all goes to pot, an AC-130U overhead the team dies.

SEAL teams are what we call white ops special forces. They are subject to the LOAC and ROE like everyone else. Comparing a Navy SEAL sniper to an elementary school murderer is frankly idiotic.

I know you and many others here are staunchly opposed to our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. As a fellow American I respect your views. The fact is both wars no matter how opposed some here are to them were authorized by our elected government and the forces deployed under and subject to the LOAC and ROE.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-31   23:13:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#144. To: redleghunter (#45)

I know you and many others here are staunchly opposed to our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Actually, I supported the invasion of Afghanistan. I opposed the nationbuilding efforts which will soon reach their inevitable failure as I said all along. I'm not prophetic but these things never end well unless you're willing to garrison a country for at least 50 years.

Believing most of the lies told by Powell at the U.N. and the Bush crew in general as they stampeded the public into the Iraq war, I did support the Iraq invasion.

But I turned against it when the lies were exposed by the findings at al-Tuwaitha, Saddam's nuclear reservation. The article is by a team from Texas Tech, probably not a Lefty bastion given it is located in Lubbock.

The rest of the phony evidence, like Powell's mobile anthrax lab trucks, only piled on. And in Iraq, as in every other conflict, I did oppose any attempts at nationbuilding. I consider our military is in the business of nationbreaking, not nationbuilding. Kill their leaders, kill their military, leave the civilians alone, tell them not to do it again and leave. In Iraq, as in so many other places we've invaded, the problem wasn't in knocking off the local government, it was sticking around afterward.

At any rate, I thought I would clarify that I was by no means opposed to either the Iraq invasion at the time or the Afghan invasion.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-01 06:49:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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