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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 86407
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#5. To: Gatlin (#0)

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

The victims of both probably felt about the same about being murdered by them.

Kyle was much braver though in that he had a lot of courage to get into position to take his shots. So Kyle's victims could take pride in a much braver and more professional murder. Otherwise, dead is still dead. Killed helplessly against hopeless odds (a sniper at a distance or a gunman in an elementary classroom) is still getting killed helplessly.

But how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? About as sporting as shooting a deer with a scoped rifle. Or shooting fish in a barrel. Or shooting 3rd graders at their school desks.

I think this has become a Left/Right pissing match which explains how the controversy keeps going. The rest of the country is sanely trying to ignore it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   16:55:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TooConservative (#5) (Edited)

This debate is stupid and goes to show Americans were mind frakked over the Iraq war. It also does not help that post war Kyle came off as barely literate - the book of his was ghost written and probably not based on any real life events and was designed as pro Iraq war propaganda for all we know. I actually question the number of kills he did. He could have been chosen because he was not so bright and would not question his role.

Besides the proven lie that he hit Jesse Ventura in a bar fight (which was a fake story to undermine a populist anti-war/Bush persona with a bona fide military pedigree) but Kyle lied about killing carjackers in Texas and that he was flown to New Orleans during Katrina and he sniped gang members from the roof of the astrodome there. All proven lies.

so suddenly this movie comes out that is more fake than the book and this re-ignites the old debate about the Bush justified war in Iraq vs those who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all.

Pericles  posted on  2015-01-31   22:46:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Pericles (#43)

Did you ever discuss your thoughts with those who served with Kyle? They give a different story of his service in Iraq.

Never had a problem with the SEAL teams I dealt with. Very conscious of collateral concerns and ROE.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-31   23:20:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: redleghunter (#46)

Did you ever discuss your thoughts with those who served with Kyle? They give a different story of his service in Iraq.

I did not say anything about Kyle other than he seemed not too bright or ill educated based on the way he talked. I also speculated his kills maybe bullshit - like the way we heard that female soldier being raped and tortured only to find out later that the Iraqis took good care of her in the hospital - but her plight was used to push the war propaganda out.

Pericles  posted on  2015-01-31   23:30:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Pericles, GarySpFc (#49)

I did not say anything about Kyle other than he seemed not too bright or ill educated based on the way he talked.

SEALs are not stupid. The USN goes to great efforts to recruit the most physically fit, and bright to compete. Their training is physically, mentally and psychologically demanding. Only the best in the Navy become SEALS.

I heard Kyle speak on TV a few times. He has a southern drawl which for a Yankee or city dweller may seem unintelligent. I grew up in Urban NY and educated in NYC. So perhaps that is your perspective. One of which I quickly learned in military service was a bad stereotype.

Navy SEALS are no rubes. If Kyle was as dimwitted as you claim, he would have perished in scuba/dive school or even BUDS.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-01   0:31:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: redleghunter (#63)

SEALs are not stupid. The USN goes to great efforts to recruit the most physically fit, and bright to compete.

Fit, yes. Bright?

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   2:49:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Pericles, GarySpFc (#82)

Fit, yes. Bright?

Yes bright. Someone bright or intelligent may not be well educated. Someone well educated can be unremarkable.

When I went to Airborne school I had 5 SEALS in my stick (section). I learned the physical, mental and psychological toils of Buds training and scuba/dive school. A bag of rocks would die in those environments.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-01   14:53:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: redleghunter (#206)

When I went to Airborne school I had 5 SEALS in my stick (section). I learned the physical, mental and psychological toils of Buds training and scuba/dive school. A bag of rocks would die in those environments.

Agreed. When I went to jump school, (Ft Campbell 1955) it really wasn't that bad. -- If memory serves, we had less than a 5% drop out rate.

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   15:09:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#217. To: tpaine (#209)

The SEALS were in the Army jump school at Benning with me. I did not go through SEAL training. They opined on how easy airborne school was compared with their BUDs and scuba school.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-01 15:36:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: tpaine (#209)

Agreed. When I went to jump school, (Ft Campbell 1955) it really wasn't that bad. -- If memory serves, we had less than a 5% drop out rate.

The drop rate was approximately 35 to 40% AT Benning IN 1963.

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-01 15:40:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: tpaine (#209)

When I went to jump school, (Ft Campbell 1955) it really wasn't that bad. -- If memory serves, we had less than a 5% drop out rate.

When I went through jump school at Benning in the summer of 64,we started out with a class of 525 students,and ended up with a graduating class of 187 three weeks later.

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