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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
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Views: 90467
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#5. To: Gatlin (#0)

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

The victims of both probably felt about the same about being murdered by them.

Kyle was much braver though in that he had a lot of courage to get into position to take his shots. So Kyle's victims could take pride in a much braver and more professional murder. Otherwise, dead is still dead. Killed helplessly against hopeless odds (a sniper at a distance or a gunman in an elementary classroom) is still getting killed helplessly.

But how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? About as sporting as shooting a deer with a scoped rifle. Or shooting fish in a barrel. Or shooting 3rd graders at their school desks.

I think this has become a Left/Right pissing match which explains how the controversy keeps going. The rest of the country is sanely trying to ignore it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   16:55:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

--- how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? ----

I think this has become a Left/Right pissing match which explains how the controversy keeps going. The rest of the country is sanely trying to ignore it.

Yep, the lefties on this site are busily trying to make it a divisive issue.

And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war. Brave men have been defending this country, in exactly that way, since the Revolution. Have you served?

If you have, you too share in the killing of men from a distance.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   17:14:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tpaine (#7)

And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war. Brave men have been defending this country, in exactly that way, since the Revolution.

But killing people from a distance with a $50,000 rifle is actually no braver than shooting up a classroom of helpless little kids.

How do you differentiate between these two scenarios of shooting fish in a barrel and knowing they can't shoot back? Because one guy has a uniform and is following the orders of one of our loathsome and cowardly presidents (who don't ever serve in the military either).

BTW, Eastwood says it is an antiwar movie. I take him at his word. What we see instead is the Right embracing it as a totally pro-war and pro-sniper movie which Eastwood says it isn't. The Left is merely annoyed that the Right is happy about something so they picked a fight over this movie, apparently ignoring Eastwood and adopting the Right's view that it is a pro-war and pro-sniper flick.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:18:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc (#11)

BTW, Eastwood says it is an antiwar movie. I take him at his word. What we see instead is the Right embracing it as a totally pro-war and pro-sniper movie which Eastwood says it isn't. The Left is merely annoyed that the Right is happy about something so they picked a fight over this movie, apparently ignoring Eastwood and adopting the Right's view that it is a pro-war and pro-sniper flick.

Well all war movies should serve to show the horrors of war and the consequences of such. Especially for those who foment war. I don't know where the term "antiwar" came from unless one is code pinkie.

The majority of those who serve hope they never have to wage war.

I for one probably won't see the movie. Had quite my fill of the real motion picture and have the six hash marks to prove it.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-31   23:41:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: redleghunter (#53)

I for one probably won't see the movie. Had quite my fill of the real motion picture and have the six hash marks to prove it.

Combat veterans usually don't like the war movies. Or war in general. Fanbois who have never served are the big market for these things.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-01   4:05:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: TooConservative (#103) (Edited)

Combat veterans usually don't like the war movies

I LOVED "We Were Soldiers Once,and Young",and "Blackhawk Down".

I also liked "Saving Private Ryan" a lot.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-01   11:49:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: sneakypete (#173)

I LOVED "We Were Soldiers Once,and Young",and "Blackhawk Down". I also liked "Saving Private Ryan" a lot.

To pick a few at random, I like Midway a lot because it helped viewers understand some of the complexities of that decisive battle. And I still like Tora Tora Tora and watch it again every few years.

I like the big picture movies, I guess. Especially about Japan as Russia really kicked Germany's ass but Japan was all our war. Of course, I do fast-forward past any parts where they talk about their feelings.

I also like sub movies. Probably Das Boot tops my list.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-01   12:03:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: TooConservative (#180)

I also like sub movies.

Me,too. Also books about submarine warfare. I have no idea why.

And being slightly claustrophobic,you couldn't get me in one of those SOB's at gunpoint.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-01   12:27:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#199. To: sneakypete (#196)

And being slightly claustrophobic,you couldn't get me in one of those SOB's at gunpoint.

Me either.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-01 12:28:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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