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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 90842
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#2. To: Gatlin (#0)

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Libertarians aren't known for their high IQs. Apparently some are borderline insane.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   16:07:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Otter, palmdale, gatlin, etc... anti-libertarian crazies? (#2) (Edited)

Future of Freedom Foundation ---- I got dragged to one of their conferences years ago. ---- Palmdale

Gatlin ----- "Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Libertarians aren't known for their high IQs. Apparently some are borderline insane. ---- Otter

Many anti-libertarians disguise their true politics and call themselves libertarians, in order to denigrate the american libertarian movement as defined by the Cato Institute.

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

From Cato: --- libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=37402

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   16:54:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tpaine (#4)

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

Are you claiming that Kyle used or supported police state tactics?

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   17:24:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Otter, Y'ALL (#8)

gatlin ----- "Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Libertarians aren't known for their high IQs. Apparently some are borderline insane. ---- Otter

Many anti-libertarians disguise their true politics and call themselves libertarians, in order to denigrate the american libertarian movement as defined by the Cato Institute.

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

From Cato: --- libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=37402

Are you claiming that Kyle used or supported police state tactics?

Read much? And you claim that libertarians are crazy?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   17:52:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tpaine (#9)

Read much?

Yes. Why don't you write sanely and intelligently?

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   18:06:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Otter (#10)

In writing standard English. If you can't understand it, you're the crazy, not libertarians.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   18:26:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tpaine (#12)

In writing standard English.

So please explain to me in standard English what police state tactics have to do with Chris Kyle or Adam Lanza.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   18:38:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Otter (#15)

Many anti-libertarians disguise their true politics and call themselves libertarians, in order to denigrate the american libertarian movement as defined by the Cato Institute.

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

So please explain to me in standard English what police state tactics have to do with Chris Kyle or Adam Lanza.

You crazy anti-libertarians should explain that to all of us american libertarians who fight against a police state. Can you tell us why you support them?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   19:25:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: tpaine, Otter (#32)

I think Otter is just caught in the crossfire. He's not on any particular side.

After all, he's only been a member here at LF since yesterday.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   19:33:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: TooConservative (#33)

After all, he's only been a member here at LF since yesterday.

And already a page and a half of useless inflammatory drivel.

Who knows, maybe he is just old, foolish and uninformed.

CZ82  posted on  2015-02-01   9:11:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: CZ82, TooConservative, otter, --- texaggie? (#145)

I think Otter is just caught in the crossfire. He's not on any particular side.

After all, he's only been a member here at LF since yesterday. ---- TooConservative

CZ82 --- And already a page and a half of useless inflammatory drivel.

Who knows, maybe he is just old, foolish and uninformed.

'Otter' reminds me of a clown I had fun with on FR. -- His main weird shtick was commenting about my supposed inability to write understandable english.

After a few exchanges, his inability to understand clearly written english was evident to all. Perhaps he was dyslexic.

I can't remember the handle he used on FR, but I think it had something to do with Texas. -- Maybe 'texaggie'?

tpaine  posted on  2015-02-01   10:23:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: tpaine (#147)

I can't remember the handle he used on FR, but I think it had something to do with Texas. -- Maybe 'texaggie'?

Not Roscoe? Or maybe just another one in a long line of screen names?

CZ82  posted on  2015-02-01   10:30:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: CZ82 (#150)

I don't think he's the legendary Roscoe.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   10:32:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Palmdale (#151)

"I don't think he's the legendary Roscoe."

Me neither.

Legendary? The real legend was robertpaulsen. Freepers gathered at his feet to learn. So I've heard.

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#160. To: misterwhite (#157)

The real legend was robertpaulsen.

Well, that goes without saying.

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