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Title: {Mine} Is solar power really economical?
Source: SoSo
URL Source: http://www.northfortynews.com/pvrea ... ommunity-solar-farm-goes-live/
Published: Jan 30, 2015
Author: North Forty News
Post Date: 2015-01-30 17:24:02 by SOSO
Keywords: None
Views: 20189
Comments: 59

Air National Guard couple set to deploy Larimer County’s Senior Tax Work-Off applications accepted starting Feb. 2 PVREA’s second community solar farm goes live By NFN On January 29, 2015 In Dispatches · Add Comment

Poudre Valley Rural Electric Association initiated into production on Jan. 29 the cooperative’s second community solar farm.

The 632 kW Community Solar Farm II, located north of Fort Collins, is generating power for members of PVREA who have purchased panels to offset their electric use. In a partnership with Clean Energy Collective, this project makes two community solar farms for PVREA.

“We recognized the demand for another renewable energy option from our membership, and the overwhelming success and 100 percent sellout of the first solar farm provided us the incentive to establish our second community solar farm,” PVREA CEO Jeff Wadsworth commented.

The cooperative’s first solar farm located at the co-op headquarters is 116 kW powered by 494 solar panels. The second solar farm is more than four times larger with more than 2,200 panels generating 632 kW. Members who are interested have the opportunity to purchase solar panels through Clean Energy Collective. The energy generated from their purchased panels is deducted from their monthly bill.

According to Clean Energy Collective, the average residential member is estimated to see a bill credit of $5 per month per panel and will receive their return of investment in a little over 13 years.

This solar farm adds to the cooperative’s growing renewable energy portfolio, which already includes the cooperative’s first solar farm project, over 160 net-metering applications, the Carter Lake Hydroelectric project and the Green Power Program.

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#44. To: SOSO (#0)

Solar cells are improving. They are getting more efficient utilizing more of the sunlight's full spectrum. They are getting cheaper too. I believe that trend will continue and their use will increase.

I could use a 1500 watt system on my roof. The sun is prevelant in the back of my home so it wouldn't detract from the front curb appeal. I would be enough electricity to power the refrigerator and the LCD flat screen TV.

TEA Party Reveler  posted on  2015-02-01   0:50:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TEA Party Reveler (#44)

Solar cells are improving. They are getting more efficient utilizing more of the sunlight's full spectrum. They are getting cheaper too. I believe that trend will continue and their use will increase.

No doubt but we are still talking about the future. In general, wind power is more economical than solar PV. There has been a proliferation of wind farms around the country. See post #18, wind account for about 34% of electric generation from all renewable sources.

You will also note that the cost of conventional generated elecrticity has greatly increased. Do you think that this is by accident? The major driving force to tip the balance from conventional to solar is the price of conventional power. The biggest driving force behind the rise of the cost of conventional power has been and will continue to be government regualtion.

The average Residential retail cost of electricity from all providers in 2000 was 8.24 cent/kWh. By 2012 it was 11.88 cents/kWh. That is a 44.2% increase compared to a CPI rise over the same period of about 33.5%. For Commercial consumers the increase in retail electric price over the same period was 35.8%, for Industerial users it was 43.8%.

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-01   14:50:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: SOSO (#45)

Your "average cost" statistic is meaningless to the discussion. It does not take into account "peak" loads wherein utlity companies charge much higher rates commonly refered to as "tier rate structures."

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-02-02   21:04:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Pridie.Nones (#48)

Your "average cost" statistic is meaningless to the discussion. It does not take into account "peak" loads wherein utlity companies charge much higher rates commonly refered to as "tier rate structures."

With a little luck you will understand that consumption at that peak rate is included in the average which is determined by total dollars paid divided by total kWh purchased. Now if you intend to only utilize your solar system and energy conservation facilities during peak hours then you may have a point. SO do you shut off your solar system and negate your energy conservation measures on off-peak hours?

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-02   22:21:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: SOSO (#53)

With a little luck you will understand that consumption at that peak rate is included in the average which is determined by total dollars paid divided by total kWh purchased.

You have no luck or "lack of any good luck" based on your challenge as you are presenting information by websurfing "arithmetic averages" or some other attribute concerning publically accessible statistical data collection techniques that do not consider individual or personal characteristics or requirements. As a result, you are using data inconsistent to the discussion based on the title thread and body of the article.

I shall authoritively answer the topic thread title, now: Yes, solar power is economical based on personal capability and capacity requirements to tailor custom energy needs.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-02-02   22:38:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Pridie.Nones (#54)

I shall authoritively answer the topic thread title, now: Yes, solar power is economical based on personal capability and capacity requirements to tailor custom energy needs.

Now all you need to do is prove it, not only in your special case but on a wholesale basis. I gave you what my annual electric bill is. Tell me how much it will cost me to eliminate it. What will be my return on investment?

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-02   22:45:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: SOSO (#55)

Now all you need to do is prove it, not only in your special case but on a wholesale basis.

Are you capable of keeping up with your own self on this thread? You are prolific throughout this thread using "retail costs" for energy considerations concerning solar power as a comparative tool about your discussion. Now, you changed the entire story to "wholesale costs."

Are you really sure about your ability to be rational in discussion? "Wholesale costs" are not available to the public; the difference between retail and wholesale are a different thread, altogether.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-02-02   23:14:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Pridie.Nones (#56)

Now all you need to do is prove it, not only in your special case but on a wholesale basis. Are you capable of keeping up with your own self on this thread? You are prolific throughout this thread using "retail costs" for energy considerations concerning solar power as a comparative tool about your discussion. Now, you changed the entire story to "wholesale costs."

OK, I give up. I can't communicate with someone that doesn't understand the English language. Live long and prosper in whatever fantasy land in which you are living.

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-02   23:58:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#58. To: SOSO (#57)

OK, I give up.

Excellent. By the way, changing your argument from "retail costs" to "wholesale costs" on your own thread clearly shows your lack of capability to rationally discuss the concept of "econonical." You lose the argument.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-02-03 07:49:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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